North American Unification

[The of Japan]

MExico doesn't even want unification either

I thought Mexico loved us (before the Oompa Loompa in cheif)

Mexico Doesn't want to join another country either

[The of Japan]

Why should American taxpayers subsidize another country?

I'm referring to the infrastructure crisis in our own country. Cracked roadways, crumbling bridges, etc. etc.

and that needs to be fixed before we try to make mexico a developed nation

[Valrifell]

Also, would the addition of the Canadian economy and taxpaying citizens at least take a significant chunk out of bringing up Mexico to the standards of the other two former-countries?

[The of Japan]

Also, would the addition of the Canadian economy and taxpaying citizens at least take a significant chunk out of bringing up Mexico to the standards of the other two former-countries?

Canada has high level of debt and a deficit too, and they have much higher taxes then US.

[Arpeggian Republic]

I'm referring to the infrastructure crisis in our own country. Cracked roadways, crumbling bridges, etc. etc.

and that needs to be fixed before we try to make mexico a developed nation

At least before we engage in a continental orgy we could have a greater bit of cooperation in developing ourselvess for this when it happens

[The Sauganash Union]

Wrong South.

Maybe a union between US and Canada might work, but currently only Saskatchewan wants it

A union between the US and Canada is certainly more feasible. We're both of British colonial origins, have a long history of peace and cooperation, speak the same language*, and are at similar levels of economic development.

It would not be ideal, but it could work out in the long-run. Incorporating British Columbia would probably be bad news for Washington State, though, as Vancouver would essentially overtake Seattle.

Western Canada is probably the most similar to the United States and could be annexed more or less seamlessly. Ontario would give us complete control of the Great Lakes, although I wonder what economic effects Toronto would have on Buffalo, Detroit, Rochester, and Cleveland.

The Martimes are poor, however, and it would be a pain to subsidize them.

*Quebec could not be part of this however.

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

There is also the whole issue of who it is gonna be centered in.

If it is American centered, Central America would see it as Imperialism by America and revolt
If it is Canada centered, Countries that fear Socialism would revolt due to their socialist governments
If it is Mexico centered, we're all screwed
If it is some random small nation centered, Bigger nations would revolt
If it is everybody centered, Patriots and Nationalists would revolt.

It is a loosing scenario no matter what nation you pick to be centered around

[The of Japan]

Maybe a union between US and Canada might work, but currently only Saskatchewan wants it

A union between the US and Canada is certainly more feasible. We're both of British colonial origins, have a long history of peace and cooperation, speak the same language*, and are at similar levels of economic development.

It would not be ideal, but it could work out in the long-run. Incorporating British Columbia would probably be bad news for Washington State, though, as Vancouver would essentially overtake Seattle.

Western Canada is probably the most similar to the United States and could be annexed more or less seamlessly. Ontario would give us complete control of the Great Lakes, although I wonder what economic effects Toronto would have on Buffalo, Detroit, Rochester, and Cleveland.

The Martimes are poor, however, and it would be a pain to subsidize them.

*Quebec could not be part of this however.

Martimes would also be cut off thanks to Quebec

[The Sauganash Union]

MExico doesn't even want unification either

I thought Mexico loved us (before the Oompa Loompa in cheif)

Mexico loves our money and our fast food.

That's about it.

[The of Japan]

There is also the whole issue of who it is gonna be centered in.

If it is American centered, Central America would see it as Imperialism by America and revolt
If it is Canada centered, Countries that fear Socialism would revolt due to their socialist governments
If it is Mexico centered, we're all screwed
If it is some random small nation centered, Bigger nations would revolt
If it is everybody centered, Patriots and Nationalists would revolt.

It is a loosing scenario no matter what nation you pick to be centered around

Mexico would revolt unless made a major part of it

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

Why should American taxpayers subsidize another country?

I think the idea is that Mexico wouldn't be another country, they'd be the same country.

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Revolts, Rise in Nationalism, Easier Terrorism, Easier movement of Illegal goods, Polish People invading the UK, English invading Poland


You don't want any of those things to happen, it won't end well.

We must be living in different EUs.

Hmm, what EU does that sound like then?

Oh wait....

[The of Japan]

I thought Mexico loved us (before the Oompa Loompa in cheif)

Mexico loves our money and our fast food.

That's about it.

gotta love those remittences!

[Polish Theocracy of Joakim]

There is also the whole issue of who it is gonna be centered in.

If it is American centered, Central America would see it as Imperialism by America and revolt
If it is Canada centered, Countries that fear Socialism would revolt due to their socialist governments
If it is Mexico centered, we're all screwed
If it is some random small nation centered, Bigger nations would revolt
If it is everybody centered, Patriots and Nationalists would revolt.

It is a loosing scenario no matter what nation you pick to be centered around

Mexico would revolt unless made a major part of it

That also

[The Sauganash Union]

Also, would the addition of the Canadian economy and taxpaying citizens at least take a significant chunk out of bringing up Mexico to the standards of the other two former-countries?

Canada's economy is smaller than California's. I really doubt one extra state (in economic terms) would make a huge difference.

[Valrifell]

Also, would the addition of the Canadian economy and taxpaying citizens at least take a significant chunk out of bringing up Mexico to the standards of the other two former-countries?

Canada's economy is smaller than California's. I really doubt one extra state (in economic terms) would make a huge difference.

Fair.

But even with the Mexican project, I don't expect the unified government to accrue any more significant debt or the standards of living to drop dramatically.

[Big Jim P]

There is also the whole issue of who it is gonna be centered in.

If it is American centered, Central America would see it as Imperialism by America and revolt
If it is Canada centered, Countries that fear Socialism would revolt due to their socialist governments
If it is Mexico centered, we're all screwed
If it is some random small nation centered, Bigger nations would revolt
If it is everybody centered, Patriots and Nationalists would revolt.

It is a loosing scenario no matter what nation you pick to be centered around

From what I have seen historically, Americanism is creeping throughout the world (China was first though): Canada is a Dominion composed of several provinces. Mexico is a United States of. The EU is composed s several (formerly independent) nations. With various differences, everyone is imitating America, and (intentionally or not) America is following Chinas footsteps.

[NewVinlandia]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

No. Mega-states require mega-bureaucracies that inevitably step all over the little guy even more than they do now. It would not be less expensive, but more so when calculating in the cost to run the infrastructure and the nefficiency that follows large government. They also place pressure on indigenous/regional culture (the nations *within* the states) putting them at greater risk. Tocqueville had it right - we need *more* states but smaller ones within a wider framework of trade & cooperation, not some giant new Soviet-style union. Noble idea but a bad one.

[The Sauganash Union]

Canada's economy is smaller than California's. I really doubt one extra state (in economic terms) would make a huge difference.

Fair.

But even with the Mexican project, I don't expect the unified government to accrue any more significant debt or the standards of living to drop dramatically.

We'd rack up significant debts in administrative costs alone. Building up infrastructure, education, and cultural integration initiatives will be another nightmare. Not to mention cracking down on Mexican crime. Our economy and government would be stretched to their breaking points.

Standard of living would drop in the US as many Mexicans would now be able to move north unrestricted, which would swamp northern population centers, and also have associated spikes in crime, thus lowering the quality of life.

During the Mexican War, some people thought we should annex all of Mexico. Even back then, people saw what a nightmare that would be and thus we didn't do it.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

" why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall?"

" think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse..

" "because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead"

lol, it Sounds like a Liberal and a Leftist dream of open borders come true. We had a similar thread on this awhile back, about a month a go that suggested all of North America, Central and South America, the USA, Canada, and Latin America unite, lol.

[Arpeggian Republic]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

No. Mega-states require mega-bureaucracies that inevitably step all over the little guy even more than they do now. It would not be less expensive, but more so when calculating in the cost to run the infrastructure and the nefficiency that follows large government. They also place pressure on indigenous/regional culture (the nations *within* the states) putting them at greater risk. Tocqueville had it right - we need *more* states but smaller ones within a wider framework of trade & cooperation, not some giant new Soviet-style union. Noble idea but a bad one.

My idea for a continental republic is mostly based on America I admit, but in my constitution I fixed what I thought was a giant chunk of problems that our current (lazy) congress has problems with including term limits, a vote of no confidence that the people can use to oust any politician in the government and really just expanded the checks and Balances part of American government. At the very least the us could use the changes.

[The of Japan]

Fair.

But even with the Mexican project, I don't expect the unified government to accrue any more significant debt or the standards of living to drop dramatically.

We'd rack up significant debts in administrative costs alone. Building up infrastructure, education, and cultural integration initiatives will be another nightmare. Not to mention cracking down on Mexican crime. Our economy and government would be stretched to their breaking points.

Standard of living would drop in the US as many Mexicans would now be able to move north unrestricted, which would swamp northern population centers, and also have associated spikes in crime, thus lowering the quality of life.

During the Mexican War, some people thought we should annex all of Mexico. Even back then, people saw what a nightmare that would be and thus we didn't do it.

and Mexico banned slavery

[Arpeggian Republic]

I've been thinking about this for awhile now... why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall? (See my constitution for a potential Arpeggian Constitution) I think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse... what do you guys think? Should the continent unite as Arpeggio?

" why doesn't Canada, America, and Mexico unite???
Would it be less expensive than a border wall?"

" think if we united we could drone the shit out of the drug lords and have responsible gun ownership in the form of various militias rather than the individual right to bear arms. Who knows maybe the world would stabilize a little more than where it is now because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead" maybe things would get worse..

" "because "the great Satan" (America) is "dead"

lol, it Sounds like a Liberal and a Leftist dream of open borders come true. We had a similar thread on this awhile back, about a month a go that suggested all of North America, Central and South America, the USA, Canada, and Latin America unite, lol.

I'm conservative actually lol, but...what we are doing right now isn't helping anything, we aren't fixing our problems we are just putting a lot of hope and duck tape over them and pray that it fixes everything. I want a greater unified America, a stronger America than what we've got, I believe an Arpeggian Republic will solve a lot of issues, but of course it will also create new ones. I believe people should be armed, but a continental republic is too big to allow individual gun ownership, which a militia creates a team, a brotherhood of people who can work together to protect our continent. We need a serious reform of our government or we will continue down the road of instability and decline.

[Greater Miami Shores]

No. Mega-states require mega-bureaucracies that inevitably step all over the little guy even more than they do now. It would not be less expensive, but more so when calculating in the cost to run the infrastructure and the nefficiency that follows large government. They also place pressure on indigenous/regional culture (the nations *within* the states) putting them at greater risk. Tocqueville had it right - we need *more* states but smaller ones within a wider framework of trade & cooperation, not some giant new Soviet-style union. Noble idea but a bad one.

My idea for a continental republic is mostly based on America I admit, but in my constitution I fixed what I thought was a giant chunk of problems that our current (lazy) congress has problems with including term limits, a vote of no confidence that the people can use to oust any politician in the government and really just expanded the checks and Balances part of American government. At the very least the us could use the changes.

From my personal political perspective I am ok with our so called lazy congress. I favor no term limits on congress, vote them in and vote them out, I do favor term limits on the President. I read your constitution and did not like it, perhaps others will like it, our constitutional rights to like it or dislike it and post our views on it. It sounds like a liberal and a leftist dream of open borders come true, we had a similar thread on this about a month a go that suggested the USA, Canada and Latin America unite, lol.

[Ethel mermania]

But that would totally solve the illegal immigration issue!

Central Americans from crime-ridden corrupt hellholes would still want in, so we'd have to unify with those next

On the bright side the border wall will be a lot cheaper to build

[Arpeggian Republic]

My idea for a continental republic is mostly based on America I admit, but in my constitution I fixed what I thought was a giant chunk of problems that our current (lazy) congress has problems with including term limits, a vote of no confidence that the people can use to oust any politician in the government and really just expanded the checks and Balances part of American government. At the very least the us could use the changes.

From my personal political perspective I am ok with our so called lazy congress. I favor no term limits on congress, vote them in and vote them out, I do favor term limits on the President. I read your constitution and did not like it, perhaps others will like it, our constitutional rights to like it or dislike it and post our views on it. It sounds like a liberal and a leftist dream of open borders come true, we had a similar thread on this about a month ago that suggested the USA, Canada and Latin America unite, lol.

Well that's ok not everyone will like it, oh well I tried. I tried to come up with a fair government for a continental nation (hint: its extremely hard and tiring).