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Should Weapons of Mass Destruction exist, and are you for or against the use of them?

I believe they should exist, and I support their use.
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20%
I believe they should exist, but only as a deterrent, and not as a combat strategy.
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I do not believe they should exist.
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Other (Post Below)
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Total votes : 101

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:31 pm

In a perfect world every nation would have atomic weapons and every nation would use the threat of these weapons to force everyone else to adopt a policy of complete and utter noninterventionism. So everyone would get along and nobody would ever dare to try and meddle with other nations domestic policies.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 2:58 pm

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:Yes they should, they have kept the peace well enough. That being said, only my country should ever have them.


They've stoped a global war because several powers have them, if just one nation owned them it wouldn't work.


Well no one would fight with the one who had them.
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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:05 pm

I think like, citizens should have WMDs, man. You know just like, give everyone a WMD, deregulate it, you know. it'd be a good time.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:14 pm

Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I think we should get rid of nuclear weapons of mass destruction, seriously all they will be used for it to kill many innocent people in war and also cause extreme damage to the environment and also can lead us to extinction by nuclear winter and global radiation.

Sure bear in mind I do think that even if nukes never were invented then their would be some other different WMD (not to mention in the future we could fucking have Rods of God which are satellites made to shoot lasers down to Earth to wipe out any entire city). To be fair WMD should be something that has to be banned even during war. I get the fact that war will always be around no matter what, but we have got to a point now in history that majority of world realizes that there are certains things that shouldn't be taken to the extreme. And that is WMD, literally they will only make wars go worse if ever are used.

Coming back to nuclear weapons, is that the more of them are made by countries is that other countries will decide to do the same as well and make their own, having many still sitting around in silos just in case is unsettling because we know the only use for them is only destruction and mass murder, advancement of technology can also lead to more extreme and more powerful nukes (Tsar Bomba is by far the most disturbing and massive mushroom to be made by a nuclear weapon), and with the advancement of technology in modern day is that a group of hackers, terrorists, or a computer malfunction or cyber-attack can very result in nukes being used as well. Imagine if ISIS managed to get their hands on a nuke or a hacking organization?

Literally nuclear weapons (and other WMD's) as long as they are around they will only cause paranoia and fear.

After all when the first atomic bomb was tested during World War II the creator and scientist behind it said the most famous quote.

"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

"We're all sons of bitches now."

The creator and scientist of the first atomic bomb testing did not realize how powerful it would be in fact many had believed that it would fail and just explode like a tiny dud. And the fact we just made nukes even more advanced makes it more horrifying.

Nuclear weapons have killed less people then conventional bombings.
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"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
They've stoped a global war because several powers have them, if just one nation owned them it wouldn't work.


Well no one would fight with the one who had them.

until their spies stole the secrets due to one of the scientists being sympathetic to them.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:17 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:
Well no one would fight with the one who had them.

until their spies stole the secrets due to one of the scientists being sympathetic to them.

And that's why you have your Air Force knock out their production.
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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:18 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Southeastern Xiatao wrote:I think we should get rid of nuclear weapons of mass destruction, seriously all they will be used for it to kill many innocent people in war and also cause extreme damage to the environment and also can lead us to extinction by nuclear winter and global radiation.

Sure bear in mind I do think that even if nukes never were invented then their would be some other different WMD (not to mention in the future we could fucking have Rods of God which are satellites made to shoot lasers down to Earth to wipe out any entire city). To be fair WMD should be something that has to be banned even during war. I get the fact that war will always be around no matter what, but we have got to a point now in history that majority of world realizes that there are certains things that shouldn't be taken to the extreme. And that is WMD, literally they will only make wars go worse if ever are used.

Coming back to nuclear weapons, is that the more of them are made by countries is that other countries will decide to do the same as well and make their own, having many still sitting around in silos just in case is unsettling because we know the only use for them is only destruction and mass murder, advancement of technology can also lead to more extreme and more powerful nukes (Tsar Bomba is by far the most disturbing and massive mushroom to be made by a nuclear weapon), and with the advancement of technology in modern day is that a group of hackers, terrorists, or a computer malfunction or cyber-attack can very result in nukes being used as well. Imagine if ISIS managed to get their hands on a nuke or a hacking organization?

Literally nuclear weapons (and other WMD's) as long as they are around they will only cause paranoia and fear.

After all when the first atomic bomb was tested during World War II the creator and scientist behind it said the most famous quote.

"Now I am become death, the destroyer of worlds."

"We're all sons of bitches now."

The creator and scientist of the first atomic bomb testing did not realize how powerful it would be in fact many had believed that it would fail and just explode like a tiny dud. And the fact we just made nukes even more advanced makes it more horrifying.

Nuclear weapons have killed less people then conventional bombings.

yeah just like, let the people have the nukes you know

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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:19 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:until their spies stole the secrets due to one of the scientists being sympathetic to them.

And that's why you have your Air Force knock out their production.

what if you could have your own private air force you know, and what if all those pilots individually had access to nuclear weapons. that sounds like a good idea you know?

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:20 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:until their spies stole the secrets due to one of the scientists being sympathetic to them.

And that's why you have your Air Force knock out their production.

What where the closest Allied airbases in Europe to the USSR?
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:20 pm

V4pe Nation wrote:
Sovaal wrote:Nuclear weapons have killed less people then conventional bombings.

yeah just like, let the people have the nukes you know

Like, totally man.
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”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:21 pm

Sovaal wrote:
V4pe Nation wrote:yeah just like, let the people have the nukes you know

Like, totally man.

this guy gets it

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:22 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And that's why you have your Air Force knock out their production.

What where the closest Allied airbases in Europe to the USSR?

I'm talking about now.
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Postby UKCS » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:22 pm

As lovely as it would be to live in a world free of nuclear and biological weapons, it just isn't going to happen any time soon. I do however, support the use of certain chemical weapons. I draw the line at napalm though.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:23 pm

V4pe Nation wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And that's why you have your Air Force knock out their production.

what if you could have your own private air force you know, and what if all those pilots individually had access to nuclear weapons. that sounds like a good idea you know?

No. That's a terrible idea
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:23 pm

UKCS wrote:As lovely as it would be to live in a world free of nuclear and biological weapons, it just isn't going to happen any time soon. I do however, support the use of certain chemical weapons. I draw the line at napalm though.

I disagree. I believe that we should be able to use any weapon at our disposal
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:24 pm

UKCS wrote:As lovely as it would be to live in a world free of nuclear and biological weapons, it just isn't going to happen any time soon. I do however, support the use of certain chemical weapons. I draw the line at napalm though.

Eh, we always got chems that can burn the skin right off ye.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:25 pm

UKCS wrote:As lovely as it would be to live in a world free of nuclear and biological weapons, it just isn't going to happen any time soon. I do however, support the use of certain chemical weapons. I draw the line at napalm though.

So, what kind of chemical weapons would be allowed, then?
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:What where the closest Allied airbases in Europe to the USSR?

I'm talking about now.

And the situation I was talking about was what took place in 1945.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:26 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
V4pe Nation wrote:what if you could have your own private air force you know, and what if all those pilots individually had access to nuclear weapons. that sounds like a good idea you know?

No. That's a terrible idea

whaaaat. it sounds good to me man. like theres no downside.

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Postby Willania Imperium » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:27 pm

Although these weapons can prove to be threatening to the world, it serves an importance purpose in ensuring detente. if the US and the USSR didn't had these weapons, they would have been free to destroy each other without fear of world destruction. Because of the nuke, it was possible to ensure peace for nearly 50 years in the 20th century instead of a bloody WWIII.

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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:27 pm

Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:
UKCS wrote:As lovely as it would be to live in a world free of nuclear and biological weapons, it just isn't going to happen any time soon. I do however, support the use of certain chemical weapons. I draw the line at napalm though.

So, what kind of chemical weapons would be allowed, then?

lets just allow all weapons you know. civilians should have access to nuclear weapons if they have enough money, man. it'd keep the government in check

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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:28 pm

Willania Imperium wrote:Although these weapons can prove to be threatening to the world, it serves an importance purpose in ensuring detente. if the US and the USSR didn't had these weapons, they would have been free to destroy each other without fear of world destruction. Because of the nuke, it was possible to ensure peace for nearly 50 years in the 20th century instead of a bloody WWIII.

yeah and like man what about pakistan and india you know? they like haven't gone scorched earth on each other either you know. it's like nuclear weapons are a good idea man.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:29 pm

V4pe Nation wrote:
Great Confederacy Of Commonwealth States wrote:So, what kind of chemical weapons would be allowed, then?

lets just allow all weapons you know. civilians should have access to nuclear weapons if they have enough money, man. it'd keep the government in check

If a civilian, or more accurately, organization, has the money and capabilities to acquire a nuclear weapon it doesn't matter if it is legal or not.
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:31 pm

Should they exist?
No, in an ideal world, we wouldn't have. A cursory glance will explain how un-ideal our world is and always has been.

Nuclear weapons are very much the world's Pandora's Box - what comes out can't be stuffed back in. I don't think full disarmament will ever be possible in my lifetime.
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Postby V4pe Nation » Mon Jul 17, 2017 3:32 pm

Sovaal wrote:
V4pe Nation wrote:lets just allow all weapons you know. civilians should have access to nuclear weapons if they have enough money, man. it'd keep the government in check

If a civilian, or more accurately, organization, has the money and capabilities to acquire a nuclear weapon it doesn't matter if it is legal or not.

lets just like make laws illegal man

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