Will the 1% kill the rest of us off?

[Torrocca]

Sure, they'll kill the whole consumer base that sustains their wealth.

I mean, they like to hike up prices on things vital to living, like medicine and food, or alternatively not pay for medicine and food for poorer people because it won't "turn a profit", as well as privatize healthcare and other things, so that's not out of the realm of possibilities.

[Great Minarchistan]

Could I get some sources on that? It still sounds like a load of bull-honky, especially considering rich kids, being born to rich parents who were born to rich parents, etc. etc., don't tend to equally distribute their wealth to everyone across the world.

No source here, but the only communist I've met IRL is a guy who lives in a $450,000 house whose parents are an investment banker and a dean. He's never even worked a day in his life lol.

It's pretty hilarious.

Anecdotally, I've also met three communists on Discord which invest heavily on crypto. They built 600k, 250k and 50k each in speculation assets. It's truly a meme.

[Torrocca]

Could I get some sources on that? It still sounds like a load of bull-honky, especially considering rich kids, being born to rich parents who were born to rich parents, etc. etc., don't tend to equally distribute their wealth to everyone across the world.

No source here, but the only communist I've met IRL is a guy who lives in a $450,000 house whose parents are an investment banker and a dean. He's never even worked a day in his life lol.

It's pretty hilarious.

Huh. I happen to know a few people IRL (non-rich) who lean toward communist tendencies, myself included.

[Great Minarchistan]

I mean, they like to hike up prices on things vital to living, like medicine and food

If so, why is food so cheap on the US and why aren't Americans paying $10k for their vaccines?

[Torrocca]

I mean, they like to hike up prices on things vital to living, like medicine and food

If so, why is food so cheap on the US and why ain't Americans paying $10k for their vaccines?

Fast-food (AKA unhealthy garbage that kills people early) is cheap, there's no disputing that. But actual healthy food tends to be a bit pricier than that.

As for medicine, have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Epi-pen the Wise? I thought not. It's not a tale the Capitalists would tell you.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No source here, but the only communist I've met IRL is a guy who lives in a $450,000 house whose parents are an investment banker and a dean. He's never even worked a day in his life lol.

It's pretty hilarious.

Anecdotally, I've also met three communists on Discord which invest heavily on crypto. They built 600k, 250k and 50k each in speculation assets. It's truly a meme.

Man, I almost jumped on Litecoin when it was $2 per but I thought it wasn't going anywhere so I didn't buy any. If I spent $3,000 then and there I'd have been able to flip that into an easy $100,000 by now.

Feels bad man ;_;

[New Rogernomics]

Sure, they'll kill the whole consumer base that sustains their wealth.

I mean, they like to hike up prices on things vital to living, like medicine and food, or alternatively not pay for medicine and food for poorer people because it won't "turn a profit", as well as privatize healthcare and other things, so that's not out of the realm of possibilities.

The rich would fight among themselves Game of Thrones style, till the most evil robber baron is left standing. Then they are poisoned by someone close to them, who wants everything to be theirs instead. That or read Asimov's Foundation Saga, where there is an asexual society organized by intelligent robots.

[Great Minarchistan]

But actual healthy food tends to be a bit pricier than that.

Wrong.

As for medicine, have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Epi-pen the Wise?

Yes I did. But only the epi-pen? What about other medicine such as pain-killers? Moreover, I'd rather blame Medicare and Medicaid (basically corporate welfare) for the expensive medical care costs in the US.

[Torrocca]

I mean, they like to hike up prices on things vital to living, like medicine and food, or alternatively not pay for medicine and food for poorer people because it won't "turn a profit", as well as privatize healthcare and other things, so that's not out of the realm of possibilities.

The rich would fight among themselves Game of Thrones style, till the most evil robber baron is left standing. Then they are poisoned by someone close to them, who wants everything to be theirs instead. That or read Asimov's Foundation Saga, where there is an asexual society organized by intelligent robots.

The end-goal of the rich is to increase profits - that's all it's ever been. If they think killing people off and automating production would increase profits, they'd fucking do it in a heartbeat.

[Torrocca]

But actual healthy food tends to be a bit pricier than that.

Wrong.

Huh. Today I learned something contrary to my sources and actually factual.

As for medicine, have you heard of the tragedy of Darth Epi-pen the Wise?

Yes I did. But only the epi-pen? What about other medicine such as pain-killers? Moreover, I'd rather blame Medicare and Medicaid (basically corporate welfare) for the expensive medical care costs in the US.

Killing medical insurance and making people pay taxes for healthcare is the only solution to keep the corporate serpents away from the ill.

[Great Minarchistan]

Huh. Today I learned something contrary to my sources and actually factual.

Ya, the more you learn

Killing medical insurance and making people pay taxes for healthcare is the only solution to keep the corporate serpents away from the ill.

Ya², abolish Medicare and Medicaid. UK has both cheap State healthcare and private insurance for a reason.

[Kubra]

Yeah, if you read the Communist Manifesto you'd know well and truly that that's bullshit.

Rather, if you can read the CM (and other high IQ verbal misdirection), it'd be obvious that that is what he means.

Or if you read the rest of his canon, you'd see how openly bloodthirsty he is when he isn't trying to convert moderates.

Which bits of the canon, o wise professor? I confess not finding anything but the urge to nap within the Grundrisse.

[Frank Zipper]

Sure, they'll kill the whole consumer base that sustains their wealth.

Did you not read the OP?

[Diopolis]

Rich kids are the main people communism tends to appeal to in the modern west, though. Of course, a big part of this is just them trying to shock their elders.

Could I get some sources on that? It still sounds like a load of bull-honky, especially considering rich kids, being born to rich parents who were born to rich parents, etc. etc., don't tend to equally distribute their wealth to everyone across the world.

They're also not especially known for being thorough and reasonable thinkers.

[Great Minarchistan]

Sure, they'll kill the whole consumer base that sustains their wealth.

Did you not read the OP?

Automation won't increase unemployment rate. It has been here since the Industrial Revolution, and US unemployment has been always hovering the 5-6% in average (except in some points like the Great Depression, 1890-1900 and the 1970s Stagflation).

[Imperializt Russia]

Yeah, if you read the Communist Manifesto you'd know well and truly that that's bullshit.

Rather, if you can read the CM (and other high IQ verbal misdirection), it'd be obvious that that is what he means.

Or if you read the rest of his canon, you'd see how openly bloodthirsty he is when he isn't trying to convert moderates.

You know the Communist Manifesto is like, thirty pages, yeah?

[Imperializt Russia]

Did you not read the OP?

Automation won't increase unemployment rate. It has been here since the Industrial Revolution, and US unemployment has been always hovering the 5-6% in average (except in some points like the Great Depression, 1890-1900 and the 1970s Stagflation).

Couple things.

1) even if the unemployment rate always has hovered around that level, this means that decade on decade, millions more unemployed persons, and this doesn't even scratch the surface of the issue wrt underemployed persons (a big issue we have with the statistics in the UK) who might as well be unemployed for all the good being "in work" is doing them.
2) historical automations have coincided, typically, with the creation of new fields or industries. In the last thirty years, manufacturing jobs were basically replaced with consumerism-driven industries - retail, finance.

What is left to funnel workers into? Increasingly little, especially with the scale of automation now possible.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Rather, if you can read the CM (and other high IQ verbal misdirection), it'd be obvious that that is what he means.

Or if you read the rest of his canon, you'd see how openly bloodthirsty he is when he isn't trying to convert moderates.

Which bits of the canon, o wise professor? I confess not finding anything but the urge to nap within the Grundrisse.

How about his response to the closure of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Rather, if you can read the CM (and other high IQ verbal misdirection), it'd be obvious that that is what he means.

Or if you read the rest of his canon, you'd see how openly bloodthirsty he is when he isn't trying to convert moderates.

You know the Communist Manifesto is like, thirty pages, yeah?

Why wouldn't I.

[Imperializt Russia]

No source here, but the only communist I've met IRL is a guy who lives in a $450,000 house whose parents are an investment banker and a dean. He's never even worked a day in his life lol.

It's pretty hilarious.

Anecdotally, I've also met three communists on Discord which invest heavily on crypto. They built 600k, 250k and 50k each in speculation assets. It's truly a meme.

Sure you aren't conflating "communist" with "anti-statist"?

"Capital" and wealth also aren't the same thing. Cryptocurrencies aren't actual currency (technically), and are redeemable in currency. No labour has been exploited in the "production" of it, since the value of Bitcoin was computer work. So it's not even technically incompatible with "communist" beliefs - it's certainly the only way I can think of to reasonably remove yourself from most aspects of "capitalism", ie participating in wage labour.
Being a communist doesn't excuse you from buying stuff, unfortunately.

[Great Minarchistan]

1) even if the unemployment rate always has hovered around that level, this means that decade on decade, millions more unemployed persons

And equally more millions of employed people.

and this doesn't even scratch the surface of the issue wrt underemployed persons (a big issue we have with the statistics in the UK) who might as well be unemployed for all the good being "in work" is doing them.

The statistics usually show up the U-3 rate (people seeking work). If the job can't provide enough, I'm sure you'll be seeking another one. More info here: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/in ... e-vertical

2) historical automations have coincided, typically, with the creation of new fields or industries. In the last thirty years, manufacturing jobs were basically replaced with consumerism-driven industries - retail, finance.

...Which answers to >70% of the GDP in developed economies and generates a hell lot of jobs. Your point is?

What is left to funnel workers into? Increasingly little, especially with the scale of automation now possible.

I'm pretty sure industrial workers can work with retail. It's even better because these jobs aren't as exhausting.

[Great Minarchistan]

Sure you aren't conflating "communist" with "anti-statist"?

No, they literally described themselves as communists. I think one is a "post-leftist" but yea, that's about it.

[Frank Zipper]

Did you not read the OP?

Automation won't increase unemployment rate. It has been here since the Industrial Revolution, and US unemployment has been always hovering the 5-6% in average (except in some points like the Great Depression, 1890-1900 and the 1970s Stagflation).

I think you are seriously underestimating the effect of the kind of automation we are beginning to see.

[Kubra]

Which bits of the canon, o wise professor? I confess not finding anything but the urge to nap within the Grundrisse.

How about his response to the closure of the Neue Rheinische Zeitung.

The newspaper closed in 1849? during an actual revolution?? It's quite time with that in mind, innit?

[Imperializt Russia]

As someone who moved from an industrial job to a retail job, I'd caution you against making sweeping statements on the nature of work