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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:43 pm

Is this a sign of another summer of pointless trolley dilemma threads?

And for the record, save the pandas.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:43 pm

I'll take the money, but only if the extinction of pandas cannot be traced, directly or indirectly, to me.
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Postby Hansdeltania » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:44 pm

I'll take the money.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:46 pm

Vassenor wrote:Is this a sign of another summer of pointless trolley dilemma threads?

And for the record, save the pandas.

I love trolley dilemmas!
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Postby Anollasia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:47 pm

No way, man. I don't want to be responsible for the extinction of all those cute little (or big) pandas. I'm not a monster.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:52 pm

Galloism wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
interesting though, it says 50 50 for now in poll... too many environmentalists here?

There's an interesting effect in people:

When presented with hypotheticals, they often say they will do what they would like to think of themselves doing rather than what they would actually do. When actually faced with the prospect of being instantly rich, their morals often waver.

Not all people, of course, but many. No one grew up expecting to become an embezzler, for instance.


Well.....tbh........ I had a scheme.....


As to the OP, not for 3 million, but probably 15.
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Postby The Plonks » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:54 pm

Yes, because pandas aren't super important to the ecosystem and this will save lots of other people money because they won't donate to save the pandas.
But all the pandas are gone :-(

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Postby Galloism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:57 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Galloism wrote:There's an interesting effect in people:

When presented with hypotheticals, they often say they will do what they would like to think of themselves doing rather than what they would actually do. When actually faced with the prospect of being instantly rich, their morals often waver.

Not all people, of course, but many. No one grew up expecting to become an embezzler, for instance.


Well.....tbh........ I had a scheme.....


As to the OP, not for 3 million, but probably 15.

Reminds me of a certainly apocryphal story allegedly involving Winston Churchill:

“Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"
Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!"
Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”
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Postby Warg the Immortal » Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:58 pm

Aclion wrote:I don't think I'd choose either. The most valuable thing in this scenario is probobly the leverage that comes from having the option open.

lol, exactly, just blackmail people who want pandas into paying you much more money to ensure you don't take the 3 million
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:02 pm

I'm going to have to go with Pandas. What's the point of 3 million dollars if you can't by a Panda or see one in a zoo?
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Is this a sign of another summer of pointless trolley dilemma threads?

And for the record, save the pandas.

I love trolley dilemmas!
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Yes.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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Postby Imperium Sidhicum » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:05 pm

I'll pick pandas. Some things cannot be bought for money.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:11 pm

Imperium Sidhicum wrote:I'll pick pandas. Some things cannot be bought for money.

Some things can't be bought for money.

A species that is literally too lazy to fuck is not one of them. I'd sell Pandas out for a Klondike bar.
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Postby Daeseong » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:28 pm

I don't care for Pandas.

But I would like a small loan of $3 million.

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Postby New haven america » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:40 pm

In this weeks version of "IM's Morality Games..."

Eh, I like pandas.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:43 pm

Galloism wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Well.....tbh........ I had a scheme.....


As to the OP, not for 3 million, but probably 15.

Reminds me of a certainly apocryphal story allegedly involving Winston Churchill:

“Churchill: "Madam, would you sleep with me for five million pounds?"
Socialite: "My goodness, Mr. Churchill... Well, I suppose... we would have to discuss terms, of course... "
Churchill: "Would you sleep with me for five pounds?"
Socialite: "Mr. Churchill, what kind of woman do you think I am?!"
Churchill: "Madam, we've already established that. Now we are haggling about the price”


Good Sir, I may be a whore, but I am not a cheap one.


But essentially yes, we are haggling.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:45 pm

Sovaal wrote:I'm going to have to go with Pandas. What's the point of 3 million dollars if you can't by a Panda or see one in a zoo?


The point? Hookers and cocaine.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:45 pm

No. I could not look God in eye the day I once again meet my maker, and say that I chose greed over his great creation. Now, if it was mosquitoes, that would be one thing, but we are talking about pandas.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:51 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:No. I could not look God in eye the day I once again meet my maker, and say that I chose greed over his great creation. Now, if it was mosquitoes, that would be one thing, but we are talking about pandas.


Why is that? Why does one have value and the other does not? Wouldn't you just be as equally guilty before the eyes of God?

I myself would take the 3 million.

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Postby Saiwania » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:54 pm

I'd take the money because I'd simply be able to retire, true financial freedom in that I won't have to work. I invest $1 million of it in dividend stocks to get a small revenue stream that is sufficient to continuously live off of, say- $1,000 a week and the rest can simply be rationed out until I'm dead. $2 million alone can maintain a $30,000 a year lifestyle for 60 years. Provided you can do math and have discipline, it wouldn't run out anytime soon.
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Postby Oldenfranck » Tue Jul 11, 2017 4:59 pm

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Oldenfranck wrote:No. I could not look God in eye the day I once again meet my maker, and say that I chose greed over his great creation. Now, if it was mosquitoes, that would be one thing, but we are talking about pandas.


Why is that? Why does one have value and the other does not? Wouldn't you just be as equally guilty before the eyes of God?

I myself would take the 3 million.


We can argue about a lot of things, but I would not kill nearly 2000 pandas for some money. I could not live with myself, and I believe that God would be angry with me. $3mil has value to me, but not 2000 pandas dead value to me. As for your last question, I have no idea what you are asking.

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Postby Grinning Dragon » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:06 pm

Oldenfranck wrote:
Grinning Dragon wrote:
Why is that? Why does one have value and the other does not? Wouldn't you just be as equally guilty before the eyes of God?

I myself would take the 3 million.


We can argue about a lot of things, but I would not kill nearly 2000 pandas for some money. I could not live with myself, and I believe that God would be angry with me. $3mil has value to me, but not 2000 pandas dead value to me. As for your last question, I have no idea what you are asking.


I was asking why you feel that God would be mad at you for the extinction of pandas, but not for the extinction of the mosquito, since both are of "his creation" as you say, therefore I asked you why one would have value over the other?

Don't get me wrong, I too would like to see the extinction of the mosquito.
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Postby Victores » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:08 pm

I'd take the pandas. Then, I'll take a bank loan to buy up like 50 pandas. Start a panda zoo, and make back the 3 million in a year or two.
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Postby Nouveau Yathrib » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:10 pm

What the fuck, no. 3 million USD isn't a whole lot of money to offer for the extinction of the giant panda btw (I would've expected something like 3 billion). You can't put a reasonable price tag on an entire species, especially if they're cute, cuddly, endangered, protected, and generate a shitton of revenue for zoos and national parks.

Agree with the last poster- you could easily generate 3 million USD in revenue by keeping a small number of pandas in a privately owned nature reserve or zoo.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jul 11, 2017 5:12 pm

I'd rather not go down in history at all then go down in history as "the schmuck who killed off pandas for a weak lottery jackpot."
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