Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

If tolerance efforts are promoted in a multicultural/multi-ethnic society, I believe it can work well, despite minor racial/ethnic problems. Canada is nice example, I believe.

Arab 1.17%
African 0.99%
Latin, Central and
South American 0.82%
West Asian 0.69%
Oceania 0.16
Minority demographics in Canada, 2001
Canada probs doesn't have problems because there's barely anyone to have problems with.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

White people are allowed to go just about anywhere in America, actually. Same with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and Natives.

Also, what the fuck? ethno-militias lynching people? Those don't even fucking exist in America! Where the hell are you getting this idea from? The 1950s?!

That article is from the 2010s. And surely the only reason it became big news, or even was seriously investigated, is the international dimension that must have been embarrassing as hell for the US, making it look like a third world country.

[Torrocca]

White people are allowed to go just about anywhere in America, actually. Same with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and Natives.

Also, what the fuck? ethno-militias lynching people? Those don't even fucking exist in America! Where the hell are you getting this idea from? The 1950s?!

That article is from the 2010s. And surely the only reason it became big news, or even was seriously investigated, is the international dimension that must have been embarrassing as hell for the US, making it look like a third world country.

And the article has no mention of lynching nor "ethno-militias" like you're claiming. Stop lying to make the actions of ONE person seem like some mass conspiracy conspired by an entire race of people as a thinly-veiled disguise for your white supremacy.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

That article is from the 2010s. And surely the only reason it became big news, or even was seriously investigated, is the international dimension that must have been embarrassing as hell for the US, making it look like a third world country.

And the article has no mention of lynching nor "ethno-militias" like you're claiming. Stop lying to make the actions of ONE person seem like some mass conspiracy conspired by an entire race of people as a thinly-veiled disguise for your white supremacy.

It's not a mass conspiracy, it's widespread and spontaneous. You would not get drunk and wander off in a random direction in a US city you had never been to before, because you know that sort of action can get you killed. In the UK, you very well may do that because you would perceive it as safe. It is not a coincidence that this happened to tourists. They did not know the rules of Multiculturalism Club.

[Daeseong]

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

This doesn't appear to be racially motivated. It seems like a robbery and a fucked up kid.

Also as previously mentioned, even if it was racially motivated, it was a kid with a gun, hardly a lynch mod. That's hardly the same thing. Perhaps your claim of ethno lynch militias will stand up to scrutiny when you provide a source linking to an actual ethno lynch militia.

I live in a city with a fairly substantial black ghetto - and though I'm Asian and this changes this somewhat - I get no more shit when I pass through, though I am perhaps a bit concerned about crime. It's never a fear of getting lynch for my race.

[Torrocca]

And the article has no mention of lynching nor "ethno-militias" like you're claiming. Stop lying to make the actions of ONE person seem like some mass conspiracy conspired by an entire race of people as a thinly-veiled disguise for your white supremacy.

It's not a mass conspiracy, it's widespread and spontaneous. You would not get drunk and wander off in a random direction in a US city you had never been to before, because you know that sort of action can get you killed. In the UK, you very well may do that because you would perceive it as safe. It is not a coincidence that this happened to tourists. They did not know the rules of Multiculturalism Club.

You're right I wouldn't fucking do that, because that's a stupid thing to do regardless. I'd rather be sober and know where I'm at, which has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with fear of dying due to these supposed "race wars" you continue to perceive America to be having, despite that being completely untrue.

[Alerio]

If tolerance efforts are promoted in a multicultural/multi-ethnic society, I believe it can work well, despite minor racial/ethnic problems. Canada is nice example, I believe.

Arab 1.17%
African 0.99%
Latin, Central and
South American 0.82%
West Asian 0.69%
Oceania 0.16
Minority demographics in Canada, 2001
Canada probs doesn't have problems because there's barely anyone to have problems with.

I usually don't believe in official data; I doubt if they are accurate. Canada (and other multicultural countries) probably host more minorities than we think.

[Conserative Morality]

I didn't say anything about "willy nilly". You consider 92 murders a good number. OK. I do not.

The UK has 65 million people and 594 murders per year.

The DC statistical area has 9.5 million and 96.

That's not a big difference, proportionally speaking.

Not to mention that few of those murders are the kind normal people worry about. Overwhelmingly, they're between criminals involved in criminal activities. That's why actual murders of normal people make the news, sometimes nationally, yet every day doesn't have a murder on the front page of the paper.

But how do you think this improvement was accomplished? People just got less murderous? Or people started taking more precautions to defend themselves?

Neither. The improving living standards in cities, which had leaked to the suburbs from the late 60s to the late 80s, lessened the crime rate along with an increased tax base providing better training and recruitment for police officers. In addition, it's strongly suspected that the end of the use of lead-based gasoline begun having an effect on generations who came of age around this time.

Do you ever wonder why you can't walk or bike anywhere in the US?

lolwut

I live in one of the worst towns in my state. Unemployment and drug use are both abnormally high.

Everyone here walks and it's a significant place for biking tourism along the streets and sidewalks.

You're foisting your very... European sensibilities regarding diversity on America. Fuck off with that.

[Daeseong]

And the article has no mention of lynching nor "ethno-militias" like you're claiming. Stop lying to make the actions of ONE person seem like some mass conspiracy conspired by an entire race of people as a thinly-veiled disguise for your white supremacy.

It's not a mass conspiracy, it's widespread and spontaneous. You would not get drunk and wander off in a random direction in a US city you had never been to before, because you know that sort of action can get you killed. In the UK, you very well may do that because you would perceive it as safe. It is not a coincidence that this happened to tourists. They did not know the rules of Multiculturalism Club.

Yeah, there is definitely more crime in the US. But it's not lynch mobs we worry about here.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

This doesn't appear to be racially motivated. It seems like a robbery and a fucked up kid.

Also as previously mentioned, even if it was racially motivated, it was a kid with a gun, hardly a lynch mod. That's hardly the same thing. Perhaps your claim of ethno lynch militias will stand up to scrutiny when you provide a source linking to an actual ethno lynch militia.

I live in a city with a fairly substantial black ghetto - and though I'm Asian and this changes this somewhat - I get no more shit when I pass through, though I am perhaps a bit concerned about crime. It's never a fear of getting lynch for my race.

It was not a robbery: nothing was stolen. A humiliating execution was staged when it became apparent that the victims didn't have anything to steal.

It was not just a bad apple: he involved multiple people in disposing of the evidence and openly boasted about what he did. He expected, and got, social support and approval from the whole community for what he did.

I am sure the only reason he was even caught is that the fact the victims were British turned it into international news and put major institutional resources behind the campaign to catch the kills, so the local PD was told to come down like a ton of bricks. Had the victims been some random US citizen Hispanics, I doubt anyone would ever have been caught.

[Conserative Morality]

It was not a robbery: nothing was stolen. A humiliating execution was staged when it became apparent that the victims didn't have anything to steal.

It was not just a bad apple: he involved multiple people in disposing of the evidence and openly boasted about what he did. He expected, and got, social support and approval from the whole community for what he did.

I am sure the only reason he was even caught is that the fact the victims were British turned it into international news and put major institutional resources behind the campaign to catch the kills, so the local PD was told to come down like a ton of bricks. Had the victims been some random US citizen Hispanics, I doubt anyone would ever have been caught.

Did you not read the fucking article?

No, I suppose that would be expecting too much from you, to read the article that you fucking posted.

[Gerdarkvish]

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

Are you talking about white genocide? and you seem to love or think it is a good thing? it is only because europeans are not in charge of there own lives- without working there arses of just to survive. i myself think europeans will find a way, just like they always have.

[Torrocca]

This doesn't appear to be racially motivated. It seems like a robbery and a fucked up kid.

Also as previously mentioned, even if it was racially motivated, it was a kid with a gun, hardly a lynch mod. That's hardly the same thing. Perhaps your claim of ethno lynch militias will stand up to scrutiny when you provide a source linking to an actual ethno lynch militia.

I live in a city with a fairly substantial black ghetto - and though I'm Asian and this changes this somewhat - I get no more shit when I pass through, though I am perhaps a bit concerned about crime. It's never a fear of getting lynch for my race.

It was not a robbery: nothing was stolen. A humiliating execution was staged when it became apparent that the victims didn't have anything to steal.

It was not just a bad apple: he involved multiple people in disposing of the evidence and openly boasted about what he did. He expected, and got, social support and approval from the whole community for what he did.

I am sure the only reason he was even caught is that the fact the victims were British turned it into international news and put major institutional resources behind the campaign to catch the kills, so the local PD was told to come down like a ton of bricks. Had the victims been some random US citizen Hispanics, I doubt anyone would ever have been caught.

You know, it's a good idea to read your own articles before spouting off nonsense.

The murders happened because it was a robbery gone wrong. Hell, the people that "supported" him openly testified against him, as per the article. You're intentionally lying to make your argument look better in the eyes of people who didn't read the damn article; knock it off.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

I didn't say anything about "willy nilly". You consider 92 murders a good number. OK. I do not.

The UK has 65 million people and 594 murders per year.

The DC statistical area has 9.5 million and 96.

That's not a big difference, proportionally speaking.

Not to mention that few of those murders are the kind normal people worry about. Overwhelmingly, they're between criminals involved in criminal activities. That's why actual murders of normal people make the news, sometimes nationally, yet every day doesn't have a murder on the front page of the paper.

The "DC statistical area" being conspicuously less diverse. The DC Metropolitan Police for the most recent complete year (2016) reported 135 murders in an area with 672,000 residents, which scales to over 13,000 murders applied to a population the size of the UK. Again, in 1991 you report that Washington DC with 1% of the population had almost the same absolute number of murders as the whole UK.

[Daeseong]

Just going to reiterate CM's comment; please reread the article.

Sorry, it wasn't a robbery. It was an attempted robbery. Not a lynch mob at any rate.

Nowhere did it claim that this was racially motivated. And as you have provided nothing in the way of statistics, further anecdotes, etc. I'm going to go ahead and maintain that it was a bad apple, regardless of whether he had friends involved. He had help, yes, but again, that provides no indication as whether their involvement was racially motivated or not.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

It was not a robbery: nothing was stolen. A humiliating execution was staged when it became apparent that the victims didn't have anything to steal.

It was not just a bad apple: he involved multiple people in disposing of the evidence and openly boasted about what he did. He expected, and got, social support and approval from the whole community for what he did.

I am sure the only reason he was even caught is that the fact the victims were British turned it into international news and put major institutional resources behind the campaign to catch the kills, so the local PD was told to come down like a ton of bricks. Had the victims been some random US citizen Hispanics, I doubt anyone would ever have been caught.

You know, it's a good idea to read your own articles before spouting off nonsense.

The murders happened because it was a robbery gone wrong.

Nothing "went wrong". The robber was in no danger, the victims didn't fight back (they obviously should have done!). He was unhappy with his haul so he decided to make them take their shirts off, pull their trousers down, beg for their lives, and then shot them in the head. This is a lynching.

Hell, the people that "supported" him openly testified against him, as per the article.

They only testified against him later, when it became clear the cops were not fucking around with this one, and that no one was going to drop it. They clearly did not expect a serious investigation when they all sat around in the street talking in loud voices about how they committed the crime.

You're intentionally lying to make your argument look better in the eyes of people who didn't read the damn article; knock it off.

Your stupidity is more offensive than your arrogance.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

Are you talking about white genocide? and you seem to love or think it is a good thing? it is only because europeans are not in charge of there own lives- without working there arses of just to survive. i myself think europeans will find a way, just like they always have.

GENOCIDE?! Since when were drops in birth rates 'genocide'? And just because a group of people has less children doesn't mean they don't have control in their own lives...unless the EU enacted a China-like policy of offspring?

[Washington Resistance Army]

Nothing "went wrong". The robber was in no danger, the victims didn't fight back (they obviously should have done!). He was unhappy with his haul so he decided to make them take their shirts off, pull their trousers down, beg for their lives, and then shot them in the head. This is a lynching.

No it fucking isn't. Words have meanings.

[Gerdarkvish]

Depends how different the cultures are. If they have different moral codes, then it can be very dangerous to civil society.

indeed they all know it is bad- but how do they stop the immigration.

[Conserative Morality]

The "DC statistical area" being conspicuously less diverse. The DC Metropolitan Police for the most recent complete year (2016) reported 135 murders in an area with 672,000 residents, which scales to over 13,000 murders applied to a population the size of the UK.

Er, actually, it's not. The proportion of white people in the city proper and in the statistical area are about the same. There are more Asians and Hispanics in the statistical area, but that's not less diverse. That's literally more diverse.

There are individual boroughs of London with more homicides than the whole of DC. Your form of comparison is showing your Old World sensibilities.

[Torrocca]

You know, it's a good idea to read your own articles before spouting off nonsense.

The murders happened because it was a robbery gone wrong.

Nothing "went wrong". The robber was in no danger, the victims didn't fight back (they obviously should have done!). He was unhappy with his haul so he decided to make them take their shirts off, pull their trousers down, beg for their lives, and then shot them in the head. This is a lynching.

Yeah, no. Not according to the definition of lynching.

They only testified against him later, when it became clear the cops were not fucking around with this one, and that no one was going to drop it. They clearly did not expect a serious investigation when they all sat around in the street talking in loud voices about how they committed the crime.

They didn't testify at first because they were fearful of retaliation from people like other friends and family of the murderer, not because they supported the crime. Again, read your own article.

[Daeseong]

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

Are you talking about white genocide? and you seem to love or think it is a good thing? it is only because europeans are not in charge of there own lives- without working there arses of just to survive. i myself think europeans will find a way, just like they always have.

You realize white Europeans don't have kids for a variety of reasons, only one of which is their workload - which is by means actually one of the lowest in the industrialized world. For example, the Netherlands. Other factors include personal fulfillment and career-building, fewer marriages, remaining unhindered, etc. It reflects a change in the Western European mindset. It's hardly more than Europeans being too busy to make babies. See More Here. tl;dr the academic consensus is that this is all the result of voluntary choices and women being more free to pursue alternative lifestyles. Not some nefarious elitist scheme.

Don't worry; I'm not the boogeyman. I do not love "white genocide." It's simply objective demographic fact, and the fact is that despite several efforts to reverse it within nearly every major European nation, white European demographic decline is something that has and likely will happen, barring a major and seismic change in European society that will require the reversal of almost 50 years of social development. So though you're optimistic "Europeans will find a way", I'm cynical.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Nothing "went wrong". The robber was in no danger, the victims didn't fight back (they obviously should have done!). He was unhappy with his haul so he decided to make them take their shirts off, pull their trousers down, beg for their lives, and then shot them in the head. This is a lynching.

Yeah, no. Not according to the definition of lynching.

Of course by the "real" definition of lynching, the victim is guilty of a serious crime, or at least strongly suspected of being so. As a racially aggravated murder intended to publicly humiliate, this was an American black lynching of two white Britons.

They only testified against him later, when it became clear the cops were not fucking around with this one, and that no one was going to drop it. They clearly did not expect a serious investigation when they all sat around in the street talking in loud voices about how they committed the crime.

They didn't testify at first because they were fearful of retaliation from people like other friends and family of the murderer, not because they supported the crime. Again, read your own article.

Right, at some point the fear of police outgrew fear of retaliation from the community. Notice how "the police" and "the community" are not on the same side here?

[Gerdarkvish]

Are you talking about white genocide? and you seem to love or think it is a good thing? it is only because europeans are not in charge of there own lives- without working there arses of just to survive. i myself think europeans will find a way, just like they always have.

GENOCIDE?! Since when were drops in birth rates 'genocide'? And just because a group of people has less children doesn't mean they don't have control in their own lives...unless the EU enacted a China-like policy of offspring?

yes genocide is fitting and is what is happening in europe. http://whitegenocideproject.com/

[Torrocca]

Yeah, no. Not according to the definition of lynching.

Of course by the "real" definition of lynching, the victim is guilty of a serious crime, or at least strongly suspected of being so. As a racially aggravated murder intended to publicly humiliate, this was an American black lynching of two white Britons.

No it fucking wasn't. It wasn't racially aggravated, it was just a murder aggravated by piss-poor loot from a robbery.

Right, at some point the fear of police outgrew fear of retaliation from the community. Notice how "the police" and "the community" are not on the same side here?

They weren't afraid of the police, though - they willfully testified. People are legally allowed to not speak in America, you know? That's the whole point of "pleading the 5th".