Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Torrocca]

Diversity does seem to leave a sour taste in your mouth, however, which is where you're going wrong.

It's called taking a stance on something. For instance, you seem to be pro-diversity. Racial homogeneity leaves a sour tatse in your mouth. There's nothing wrong with that.

You're right, there is nothing wrong for seeing another human being as just that: another human being. What's wrong is classifying another human being as different for any myriad of reasons and using that as justification to oust them from any society, which is what you're pushing for.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

And yet you insist on ethnic integrity. How do you unify with such a purist outlook? How do we unify if we don't embrace diversity?

Acknowledging that everyone is different and encouraging people to mainatin those differences is not unifying.

So acknowledging diversity and that indeed, people are different and it's ok to be different and not being condemned for such is not unifying? Really. So how is ethnic integrity unifying? How is keeping people separate based on their ethnicity a good thing?

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Yes, having people who are all really different from one another isn't unifying. Complicated stuff.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Yes, having people who are all really different from one another isn't unifying. Complicated stuff.

With people like you, yes, definitely.

[Torrocca]

Yes, having people who are all really different from one another isn't unifying. Complicated stuff.

With people like you, yes, definitely.

Basically. Fighting against the march of progress is what prevents unification, not progress itself. Who'd'a thunk?

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Multiculturalism as envisioned by you just doesn't exist anywhere outside the Western metropolitan upper middle class, which by definition only contains people selected for particular traits and worldview. Most places incomers form isolated, homogeneous, and outwardly hostile communities. Assuming you are a white American, you are not allowed to walk around the black part of Detroit, and although the penalty is less severe the residents of Detroit are not, in practical terms, allowed to walk around your residential neighbourhood either.

In the UK this idea that you are not allowed - formally or socially - to walk down any street, regardless who you are, is kind of alien. But, indeed, growing every year.

[Gerdarkvish]

Cultural homogeneity is a military technology that reduces internal violence and increases the effectiveness of external violence. Multiculturalism makes the people who adopt it more vulnerable and less powerful.

In the long run, multicultural societies are also not stable. Either the cultures will merge in some way, forming a new culture that will in effect have destroyed all the previous cultures, or some or all of the cultures will voluntarily segregate and secede from one another to form new monocultural societies.

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

[Torrocca]

Multiculturalism as envisioned by you just doesn't exist anywhere outside the Western metropolitan upper middle class, which by definition only contains people selected for particular traits and worldview. Most places incomers form isolated, homogeneous, and outwardly hostile communities. Assuming you are a white American, you are not allowed to walk around the black part of Detroit, and although the penalty is less severe the residents of Detroit are not, in practical terms, allowed to walk around your residential neighbourhood either.

In the UK this idea that you are not allowed - formally or socially - to walk down any street, regardless who you are, is kind of alien. But, indeed, growing every year.

And you know that... how, exactly? Do you live in Detroit, where this opinion of yours of American society could translate into fact?

Because I, as a red-blooded American can testify that multiculturalism isn't this hotbed of fear, hatred, and death akin to the Syrian Civil War like you so envision it being, but instead just a pretty normal thing where people are generally seen as people out in the public and most people aren't afraid to walk around the neighborhoods filled with whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians.

[Torrocca]

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

News flash, friend: Europe's been multicultural before the mass immigration of Muslims, and I wasn't referring to Muslims.

[Illiberalism]

Acknowledging that everyone is different and encouraging people to mainatin those differences is not unifying.

So acknowledging diversity and that indeed, people are different and it's ok to be different and not being condemned for such is not unifying? Really. So how is ethnic integrity unifying? How is keeping people separate based on their ethnicity a good thing?

It is nationally unifying, because ideally everyone in the Nation is the same race. It's unifying because instead of embracing differences, you are embracing commonalities. When everyone is of the same race you can foster a sense of comradery and common purpose. When this happens, people will finally start caring more about their fellow man/woman than themselves.

[Torrocca]

So acknowledging diversity and that indeed, people are different and it's ok to be different and not being condemned for such is not unifying? Really. So how is ethnic integrity unifying? How is keeping people separate based on their ethnicity a good thing?

It is nationally unifying, because ideally everyone in the Nation is the same race. It's unifying because instead of embracing differences, you are embracing commonalities. When everyone is of the same race you can foster a sense of comradery and common purpose. When this happens, people will finally start caring more about their fellow man/woman than themselves.

No, that's how you see people of your race as a fellow man/woman, and see others not of your race as "different", "not human", and "savage" and start wars.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Multiculturalism as envisioned by you just doesn't exist anywhere outside the Western metropolitan upper middle class, which by definition only contains people selected for particular traits and worldview. Most places incomers form isolated, homogeneous, and outwardly hostile communities. Assuming you are a white American, you are not allowed to walk around the black part of Detroit, and although the penalty is less severe the residents of Detroit are not, in practical terms, allowed to walk around your residential neighbourhood either.

In the UK this idea that you are not allowed - formally or socially - to walk down any street, regardless who you are, is kind of alien. But, indeed, growing every year.

And you know that... how, exactly? Do you live in Detroit, where this opinion of yours of American society could translate into fact?

Because I, as a red-blooded American can testify that multiculturalism isn't this hotbed of fear, hatred, and death akin to the Syrian Civil War like you so envision it being, but instead just a pretty normal thing where people are generally seen as people out in the public and most people aren't afraid to walk around the neighborhoods filled with whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/ ... h-tourists

I know two white Britons were lynched by your blacks for entering the incorrect neighbourhood. Again, they were not used to these rules where you are murdered for entering the wrong part of town. Americans don't get lynched like that because they know the rules and obey them, just like you do. Of course, these rules seem normal to you and you feel safe because you know what you have to do and you do it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

News flash, friend: Europe's been multicultural before the mass immigration of Muslims, and I wasn't referring to Muslims.

Also, people convert to Al-Islam, often (which is why it's the fastest growing religion! ). So is Gerdarkvish saying that Europe should kick out everyone who converts to Al-Islam too?

[Gerdarkvish]

With people like you, yes, definitely.

Basically. Fighting against the march of progress is what prevents unification, not progress itself. Who'd'a thunk?

progress????
no countries are being flooded with humans from anothers race, that are not white european.

so this is a white european issue. Because everyone wants to be in white european nations not other nations that are not white european.
you are just talking around in a circle- and displaying what you want at every turn you state somthing. africans don't want to go to asia and asians don't want to go to africa! because it is not forced and they can remain there own race. And proudly so. It is sad you just talk about the same thing over and over, with not even a chance at a different view, though you seem facinated when someone does show you a factual view.

[Washington Resistance Army]

News flash, friend: Europe's been multicultural before the mass immigration of Muslims, and I wasn't referring to Muslims.

Also, people convert to Al-Islam, often (which is why it's the fastest growing religion! ). So is Gerdarkvish saying that Europe should kick out everyone who converts to Al-Islam too?

I imagine he'd be okay with that, yeah.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

your blacks

WTH!? What is 'your blacks' supposed to mean?!

[Daeseong]

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

[El-Amin Caliphate]

European nations will not fall because- europeans like europeans and they love there europe, and it does not matter if they are outnumbered by muslims they will eventually move away from europe and europeans or get kicked out. The europeans have been the most resiliant peaple on earth for a long time. Obviously why you are trying to replace them.

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

John Oliver did a skit on that a few years ago lol.

[Torrocca]

And you know that... how, exactly? Do you live in Detroit, where this opinion of yours of American society could translate into fact?

Because I, as a red-blooded American can testify that multiculturalism isn't this hotbed of fear, hatred, and death akin to the Syrian Civil War like you so envision it being, but instead just a pretty normal thing where people are generally seen as people out in the public and most people aren't afraid to walk around the neighborhoods filled with whites, blacks, Hispanics, and Asians.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/ ... h-tourists

I know two white Britons were lynched by your blacks for entering the incorrect neighbourhood. Again, they were not used to these rules where you are murdered for entering the wrong part of town. Americans don't get lynched like that because they know the rules and obey them, just like you do. Of course, these rules seem normal to you and you feel safe because you know what you have to do and you do it.

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/ ... h-tourists

I know two white Britons were lynched by your blacks for entering the incorrect neighbourhood. Again, they were not used to these rules where you are murdered for entering the wrong part of town. Americans don't get lynched like that because they know the rules and obey them, just like you do. Of course, these rules seem normal to you and you feel safe because you know what you have to do and you do it.

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

Yeah, that's part of the reason why communities of color are dangerous (though I wouldn't think as bad as Queen Eliz is trying to say)

[Torrocca]

Basically. Fighting against the march of progress is what prevents unification, not progress itself. Who'd'a thunk?

progress????
no countries are being flooded with humans from anothers race, that are not white european.

so this is a white european issue. Because everyone wants to be in white european nations not other nations that are not white european.
you are just talking around in a circle- and displaying what you want at every turn you state somthing. africans don't want to go to asia and asians don't want to go to africa! because it is not forced and they can remain there own race. And proudly so. It is sad you just talk about the same thing over and over, with not even a chance at a different view, though you seem facinated when someone does show you a factual view.

What the heck are you even going on about?

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/ ... h-tourists

I know two white Britons were lynched by your blacks for entering the incorrect neighbourhood. Again, they were not used to these rules where you are murdered for entering the wrong part of town. Americans don't get lynched like that because they know the rules and obey them, just like you do. Of course, these rules seem normal to you and you feel safe because you know what you have to do and you do it.

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

US doesn't have ethnic lynch militias

[Alerio]

In sociology, allophilia means having a positive attitude toward outgroup members.

The term "allophilia" was coined by Harvard professor Todd L. Pittinsky in 2006, after he was unable to find an antonym for prejudice in any dictionary. The term derived from Greek words meaning "liking or love of the other".

This said, I would describe myself as a globalist and multiculturalism supporter. It's good to know that this world is diverse and keeping in touch with so many differences is an enriching experience, morally and intellectually.
If tolerance efforts are promoted in a multicultural/multi-ethnic society, I believe it can work well, despite minor racial/ethnic problems. Canada is nice example, I believe.

[Torrocca]

Did you even read the article right? They were shot, for one, not lynched, and two, it was one kid, not a mob of "my" blacks like you want to insinuate. Shit happens, as it is - people tend to be shitty sometimes. That's what happens when you fail to be inclusive and instead reject diversity in a diverse society (as well as other things like poor education and so on).

This sort of thing doesn't happen in Britain because neighbourhoods like this don't exist (or is it didn't already?) and it rarely happens in America because whites stay out of places they aren't allowed.

I begin saying that homogeneous countries are nicer than America because they don't have ethno-militias that lynch people and you initial deny it but ultimately fall back on the claim that ethnic lynch militias aren't all that bad. OK.

White people are allowed to go just about anywhere in America, actually. Same with blacks, Asians, Hispanics, and Natives.

Also, what the fuck? ethno-militias lynching people? Those don't even fucking exist in America! Where the hell are you getting this idea from? The 1950s?!