Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[San Lumen]

But it did happen and what your saying is they should not have been allowed to become citizens after the Civil War.

Yes. The U.S. Government should have relocated the majority of them back to Africa.

And why shouldnt the Instagram cop have been able to become a citizen or become a cop. He came here legally became a citizen and met all the requirements for the job. How is it not the definition of racism to say he shouldnt have be allowed to become a cop because he's not white?

I already answered this question.

But many of them didnt want to go back and you didnt answer the question.

You gave a vague response. Merely only those of the native ethnic population should be allowed to be public servants and that citizenship shouldnt be granted to those who are not native to the country. You didnt elaborate as to why. How are both things not the definition of racism?

[Illiberalism]

Yes. The U.S. Government should have relocated the majority of them back to Africa.


I already answered this question.

The entire point of the US Civil War was to end slavery and emancipate the slaves, not kick them out of the country.

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

[Torrocca]

The entire point of the US Civil War was to end slavery and emancipate the slaves, not kick them out of the country.

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

Literally every aspect of North-South relationships in America after the United States formed and during the Civil War was determined by slavery. The war was about slavery, because the South seceded over the issue of slavery.

[Grenartia]

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

Literally every aspect of North-South relationships in America after the United States formed and during the Civil War was determined by slavery. The war was about slavery, because the South seceded over the issue of slavery.

The states that seceded even admitted as such when they did so.

[San Lumen]

Literally every aspect of North-South relationships in America after the United States formed and during the Civil War was determined by slavery. The war was about slavery, because the South seceded over the issue of slavery.

The states that seceded even admitted as such when they did so.

Lets not thread jack this into a discussion about slavery please.

[Grenartia]

The states that seceded even admitted as such when they did so.

Lets not thread jack this into a discussion about slavery please.

Very well. I agree that diversity and multiculturalism are good things. I'd go as far as to say they're inherently good things.

[San Lumen]

The entire point of the US Civil War was to end slavery and emancipate the slaves, not kick them out of the country.

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

No it wasnt but Lincoln didnt advocate sending them back to Africa. He wanted to free them and see them given rights as did many of his party in Congress. I guess they were anti white by your line of thinking. Id really like a response to my earlier questions other than just vague no and shouldnt be allowed.

Why shouldnt citizenship be given to someone who is not of the "native ethnic group?" Why shouldnt someone who isn't white not be able to become a public servant?

[Illiberalism]

But many of them didnt want to go back

If they refuse to go back to Africa, they could always be sold to Brazil which was still practicing slavery at the time. If given that option, they'd probably change their minds.

You gave a vague response. Merely only those of the native ethnic population should be allowed to be public servants and that citizenship shouldnt be granted to those who are not native to the country. You didnt elaborate as to why. How are both things not the definition of racism?

Racism is defined as, "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". Like I said before, I don't believe that whites are superior, just that cultural/racial unity should be maintained. This will lead to increased cohesion and social cooperation.

[Grenartia]

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

No it wasnt but Lincoln didnt advocate sending them back to Africa. He wanted to free them and see them given rights as did many of his party in Congress. I guess they were anti white by your line of thinking. Id really like a response to my earlier questions other than just vague no and shouldnt be allowed.

Why shouldnt citizenship be given to someone who is not of the "native ethnic group?" Why shouldnt someone who isn't white not be able to become a public servant?

By that logic, only Native Americans should have US citizenship. Time to ship whitey back to Europe.

[Grenartia]

But many of them didnt want to go back

If they refuse to go back to Africa, they could always be sold to Brazil which was still practicing slavery at the time. If given that option, they'd probably change their minds.

You gave a vague response. Merely only those of the native ethnic population should be allowed to be public servants and that citizenship shouldnt be granted to those who are not native to the country. You didnt elaborate as to why. How are both things not the definition of racism?

Racism is defined as, "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". Like I said before, I don't believe that whites are superior, just that cultural/racial unity should be maintained. This will lead to increased cohesion and social cooperation.

So black people aren't good enough to stay. Yeah, that's basically a belief in white supremacy. Don't try to put lipstick on a pig. Own up to it.

[Illiberalism]

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

Literally every aspect of North-South relationships in America after the United States formed and during the Civil War was determined by slavery. The war was about slavery, because the South seceded over the issue of slavery.

Just because Northerners wanted to end slavery didn't mean they wanted former slaves to become citizens. There was serious talk of sending them back to Africa or to Carribean islands.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Embracing diversity and multiculturalism are good things. The bad comes when some people use these are stepping stones to justify abuse. When they use pretexts to commit violence against people because they're perceived different on grounds of sexual orientation or country of origin.

[Washington Resistance Army]

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

No it wasnt but Lincoln didnt advocate sending them back to Africa. He wanted to free them and see them given rights as did many of his party in Congress. I guess they were anti white by your line of thinking. Id really like a response to my earlier questions other than just vague no and shouldnt be allowed.

Why shouldnt citizenship be given to someone who is not of the "native ethnic group?" Why shouldnt someone who isn't white not be able to become a public servant?

I'm pretty sure Lincoln was in favor of sending blacks to Liberia.

[Conserative Morality]

No. The main objective of the Civil War was to preserve the Union. If you asked a typical Union soldier why they were fighting, their first answer certainly wouldn't be, "to free the slaves".

Battle Hymn of the Republic:

In the beauty of the lilies Christ was born across the sea,
With a glory in His bosom that transfigures you and me.
As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free,
While God is marching on.

Union version of the Battle Cry Of Freedom:

We will welcome to our numbers the loyal, true and brave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!
And although he may be poor, he shall never be a slave,
Shouting the battle cry of freedom!

It wasn't the eager and overwhelmingly anti-slavery volunteers of the Union Army which prevented the war from immediately being about slavery. It was civilian political necessity.

[Torrocca]

Literally every aspect of North-South relationships in America after the United States formed and during the Civil War was determined by slavery. The war was about slavery, because the South seceded over the issue of slavery.

Just because Northerners wanted to end slavery didn't mean they wanted former slaves to become citizens. There was serious talk of sending them back to Africa or to Carribean islands.

That's why they became citizens according to the Constitution and have since then been free citizens of a diverse, multicultural country known as the United States of America, amirite?

Please, though, keep telling me your historically-revising white supremacist ideas.

[The Federal Kingdom Of Zuhi]

Embracing diversity and multiculturalism are good things. The bad comes when some people use these are stepping stones to justify abuse. When they use pretexts to commit violence against people because they're perceived different on grounds of sexual orientation or country of origin.

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[San Lumen]

But many of them didnt want to go back

If they refuse to go back to Africa, they could always be sold to Brazil which was still practicing slavery at the time. If given that option, they'd probably change their minds.

You gave a vague response. Merely only those of the native ethnic population should be allowed to be public servants and that citizenship shouldnt be granted to those who are not native to the country. You didnt elaborate as to why. How are both things not the definition of racism?

Racism is defined as, "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". Like I said before, I don't believe that whites are superior, just that cultural/racial unity should be maintained. This will lead to increased cohesion and social cooperation.

By saying only those of the native ethnic group should be allowed to have citizenship or become public servants is saying thats whites are superior. We are all equal under the law. I guess the cop in the example I gave should be kicked off the force or not have been allowed to even go to the academy because he;'s not white along with any other non white officer. I guess we should remove all non white elected officials from office too.

Im sorry that having people who dont look like you in your country irks you so much and you think immigration should be stopped completely. I suggest you read a history book. it might do you some good.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

Cultural homogeneity is a military technology that reduces internal violence and increases the effectiveness of external violence. Multiculturalism makes the people who adopt it more vulnerable and less powerful.

In the long run, multicultural societies are also not stable. Either the cultures will merge in some way, forming a new culture that will in effect have destroyed all the previous cultures, or some or all of the cultures will voluntarily segregate and secede from one another to form new monocultural societies.

[Conserative Morality]

I'm pretty sure Lincoln was in favor of sending blacks to Liberia.

He was in favor of encouraging voluntary colonization of Liberia. Not forced relocation. And how long he held that view in his administration is hotly debated.

[Illiberalism]

No it wasnt but Lincoln didnt advocate sending them back to Africa. He wanted to free them and see them given rights as did many of his party in Congress. I guess they were anti white by your line of thinking. Id really like a response to my earlier questions other than just vague no and shouldnt be allowed.

Why shouldnt citizenship be given to someone who is not of the "native ethnic group?" Why shouldnt someone who isn't white not be able to become a public servant?

By that logic, only Native Americans should have US citizenship. Time to ship whitey back to Europe.

I already talked about this here:

And what do you define as native population for the United States or Canada countries that were founded by immigrants?

The native population of the US and Canada are the same ethnicity as the immigrants who originally founded those countries, which is Anglo-European and other closely related Northern-European races.

By your logic the governments of the United States and Canada should be encouraging the Native Americans and First Nations to have the most children considering they were there before the European immigrants came over.

No. Even though Native Americans inhabited land that is now apart of the United States and Canada, they are separate from those two countries. Native Americans have not inhabited the US/Canada for thousands of years. They have inhabited land that was completely unconnected with the US or Canada until very recently in history. They have been natives of their own respective nations; the Iroquois Nation, the Blackhawk Nation, the Choctaw Nation, etc. Those Nations were then invaded and annexed by foreign Anglo-European powers.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

If they refuse to go back to Africa, they could always be sold to Brazil which was still practicing slavery at the time. If given that option, they'd probably change their minds.


Racism is defined as, "prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior". Like I said before, I don't believe that whites are superior, just that cultural/racial unity should be maintained. This will lead to increased cohesion and social cooperation.

By saying only those of the native ethnic group should be allowed to have citizenship or become public servants is saying thats whites are superior.

Not necessarily. The Malay majority in Malaysia has voted a lot of those kind of benefits to itself even though the Malays are inferior to the Chinese.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm pretty sure Lincoln was in favor of sending blacks to Liberia.

He was in favor of encouraging voluntary colonization of Liberia. Not forced relocation. And how long he held that view in his administration is hotly debated.

Ah, I knew it was something like that but I didn't remember the details.

[Torrocca]

Cultural homogeneity is a military technology that reduces internal violence and increases the effectiveness of external violence. Multiculturalism makes the people who adopt it more vulnerable and less powerful.

In the long run, multicultural societies are also not stable. Either the cultures will merge in some way, forming a new culture that will in effect have destroyed all the previous cultures, or some or all of the cultures will voluntarily segregate and secede from one another to form new monocultural societies.

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

[Conserative Morality]

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

HMS Queen Elizabeth: "Muh white people"

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Cultural homogeneity is a military technology that reduces internal violence and increases the effectiveness of external violence. Multiculturalism makes the people who adopt it more vulnerable and less powerful.

In the long run, multicultural societies are also not stable. Either the cultures will merge in some way, forming a new culture that will in effect have destroyed all the previous cultures, or some or all of the cultures will voluntarily segregate and secede from one another to form new monocultural societies.

So that's why the 200+ years of American society has completely and utterly collapsed, right?

How about... literally any country on earth? the UK is multicultural. France is multicultural. So is Belgium and the Netherlands. Germany is too. So on and so on... why haven't they failed?

They haven't fallen because they have made a concerted effort to embrace both diversity and multiculturalism. With a few bumps, of course, but perfection is not possible.

Meaning, I agree with you.