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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am

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Illiberalism wrote:I'm not neccessarily saying that whites are superior, just that ethnic unity should be maintained. For instance, I do not believe whites should be immigrating to Japan, since only the Japanese belong in Japan.

So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity? The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

No, no, he's saying they can immigrate - but only if you're ethnically and culturally almost indistinguishable from the country you're about to go to. i.e. Mongolians can go to China, Austrians can go to Germany, British can go to Canada, South Africans can go to Zimbabwe.

Your basic nativist-trying-to-not-sound-racist.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am

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Setgavarius wrote:I prefer my nativism to smell like a safeguard of liberalism, not of melanin.

Ah, so you're okay with diversity of people, just not diversity of opinion? I honestly don't know which one is worse.

More or less. I prefer that democratic governments take active measures to stop insurrectionists when they make their plans clear. No, I don't mean that people who plan to peacefully use the existing system to implement their nonviolent visions can get thrown out of helicopters. I'm talking about fighting idiots who are going to start violent rebellions.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:I'm not neccessarily saying that whites are superior, just that ethnic unity should be maintained. For instance, I do not believe whites should be immigrating to Japan, since only the Japanese belong in Japan.

So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity?


Obviously all of humanity should return to its rightful homeland of East Africa. :P
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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:25 am

San Lumen wrote:So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity?

Abandoning your own country for opportunistic reasons is selfish and cowardly

The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

Yes.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:26 am

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San Lumen wrote:So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity? The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

No, no, he's saying they can immigrate - but only if you're ethnically and culturally almost indistinguishable from the country you're about to go to. i.e. Mongolians can go to China, Austrians can go to Germany, British can go to Canada, South Africans can go to Zimbabwe.

At which point they can amalgamate into greater countries, demonize all the foreigners, and prepare for glorious war against each other so we can get more of that wonderful "technology" the idiot supremacists like wanking over.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:27 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity?

Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly

The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

Yes.


What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general? Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:28 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity?

Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly

The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

Yes.

Yeah man all those Jews should never have run away from the Germans.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 am

Torrocca wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly


Yes.


What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general? Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.

I'm going to predict that since Native Americans are no longer the majority he will discard that and promote their isolation on the reservations.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:29 am

Setgavarius wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general? Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.

I'm going to predict that since Native Americans are no longer the majority he will discard that and promote their isolation on the reservations.


As is usually the case.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity?

Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly

The Asians and African americans in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.

Yes.

So easy for you to say when your country isn't embroiled in civil war or a dictatorship. Who are you to judge someone?

And why shouldnt he have been able to become a cop? Because he's not white? he's a citizen of the US. Why shouldn't he have been able to become a police officer?

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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:31 am

Torrocca wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly


Yes.


What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general?

What about them?

Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.

How did you come to that conclusion based on my logic?

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:32 am

Illiberalism wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general?

What about them?

Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.

How did you come to that conclusion based on my logic?


Because, clearly, with your insinuations that ethnic unity ought to be maintained, European Americans should return to Europe to maintain their "ethnic unity," African Americans should go to Africa, and Asian Americans to Asia.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:36 am

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Illiberalism wrote:
What about them?


How did you come to that conclusion based on my logic?


Because, clearly, with your insinuations that ethnic unity ought to be maintained, European Americans should return to Europe to maintain their "ethnic unity," African Americans should go to Africa, and Asian Americans to Asia.

At that rate there will be no ethnic unity anywhere. American ethnicity best ethnicity, Americans everywhere!
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:48 am

Illiberalism wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
What about Hispanics in the southern USA? What about the Europeans and Africans in the Americas in general?

What about them?

Surely, following your incredible line of logic, the Americas should return to the Natives.

How did you come to that conclusion based on my logic?

Your saying that no one should immigrate. that to leave your country for another is cowardly and selfish. Clearly the Europeans who left their country for the New World were selfish and cowardly. And why shouldnt the person in the example i gave above have not been allowed to become a cop? He might be from Dominica however he is a citizen and met all the requirements.

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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:54 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Abandoning your own country is selfish and cowardly


Yes.

So easy for you to say when your country isn't embroiled in civil war or a dictatorship. Who are you to judge someone?

This is true. My country is relatively stable, so I have no idea what it's like to live in war-torn conditions or experience major economic problems. But I do know that those problmes will never be solved unless people stay behind to fix them instead of leaving. I should also rephrase my statement, it is selfish to abandon your country solely for oppurtunistic reasons such as "country x has more economic freedom" or "country x has a better healthcare system". I understand if someone is fleeing a country for reasons like persecution. In that case, countries of the same race should help out their racial kin.

And why shouldnt he have been able to become a cop? Because he's not white?

Yes. Only those from the native ethnic group of the United States should be allowed to be public servants.

He's a citizen of the US.

Citizenship should never have been granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:56 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So easy for you to say when your country isn't embroiled in civil war or a dictatorship. Who are you to judge someone?

This is true. My country is relatively stable, so I have no idea what it's like to live in war-torn conditions or experience major economic problems. But I do know that those problmes will never be solved unless people stay behind to fix them instead of leaving. I should also rephrase my statement, it is selfish to abandon your country solely for oppurtunistic reasons such as "country x has more economic freedom" or "country x has a better healthcare system". I understand if someone is fleeing a country for reasons like persecution. In that case, countries of the same race should help out their racial kin.

And why shouldnt he have been able to become a cop? Because he's not white?

Yes. Only those from the native ethnic group of the Untied States should be allowed to be public servants.

He's a citizen of the US.

Citizenship should never have been granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity

Guess Americans should start throwing out the white people along with everybody else who isn't Native American.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:58 am

Pasong Tirad wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:
This is true. My country is relatively stable, so I have no idea what it's like to live in war-torn conditions or experience major economic problems. But I do know that those problmes will never be solved unless people stay behind to fix them instead of leaving. I should also rephrase my statement, it is selfish to abandon your country solely for oppurtunistic reasons such as "country x has more economic freedom" or "country x has a better healthcare system". I understand if someone is fleeing a country for reasons like persecution. In that case, countries of the same race should help out their racial kin.


Yes. Only those from the native ethnic group of the Untied States should be allowed to be public servants.


Citizenship should never have been granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity

Guess Americans should start throwing out the white people along with everybody else who isn't Native American.

I'm predicting he'll mention that they didn't found the United States...
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:59 am

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San Lumen wrote:That sounds awfully white supremacist.

I'm not neccessarily saying that whites are superior, just that ethnic unity should be maintained. For instance, I do not believe whites should be immigrating to Japan, since only ethnic Japanese belong in Japan.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:04 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So easy for you to say when your country isn't embroiled in civil war or a dictatorship. Who are you to judge someone?

This is true. My country is relatively stable, so I have no idea what it's like to live in war-torn conditions or experience major economic problems. But I do know that those problmes will never be solved unless people stay behind to fix them instead of leaving. I should also rephrase my statement, it is selfish to abandon your country solely for oppurtunistic reasons such as "country x has more economic freedom" or "country x has a better healthcare system". I understand if someone is fleeing a country for reasons like persecution. In that case, countries of the same race should help out their racial kin.

And why shouldnt he have been able to become a cop? Because he's not white?

Yes. Only those from the native ethnic group of the Untied States should be allowed to be public servants.

He's a citizen of the US.

Citizenship should never have been granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity

Its so easy to say stay behind and fix them when your not experiencing it.

Only native ethnic group should be allowed to be public servants? So anyone who isn't white shouldn't be allowed to be a firefighter, cop or elected official? The cop on Instagram should have not been allowed on the force because he's not white? How is that not the definition of racism?

By your logic when slavery ended in the United States African Americans should not have been allowed to become citizens.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:06 am

San Lumen wrote:Its so easy to say stay behind and fix them when your not experiencing it.

Only native ethnic group should be allowed to be public servants? So anyone who isn't white shouldn't be allowed to be a firefighter, cop or elected official? The cop on Instagram should be removed from the force because he's not white?

By your logic when slavery ended in the United States African Americans should not have been allowed to become citizens.

Probably believes that slavery wasn't harsh enough since free blacks existed.
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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
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What about them?


How did you come to that conclusion based on my logic?

Your saying that no one should immigrate. that to leave your country for another is cowardly and selfish. Clearly the Europeans who left their country for the New World were selfish and cowardly.

Many of them were living as colonists in the New World and were still paying taxes and abiding the laws of the mother country, so they weren't abandoning anything. Of course, some Europeans did abandon their country, the thirteen American Colonies for example. I don't support how the US came into existence, but that doesn't mean I think it should be dissolved and the land turned over to the natives. That's ridiculous.
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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:14 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:
This is true. My country is relatively stable, so I have no idea what it's like to live in war-torn conditions or experience major economic problems. But I do know that those problmes will never be solved unless people stay behind to fix them instead of leaving. I should also rephrase my statement, it is selfish to abandon your country solely for oppurtunistic reasons such as "country x has more economic freedom" or "country x has a better healthcare system". I understand if someone is fleeing a country for reasons like persecution. In that case, countries of the same race should help out their racial kin.


Yes. Only those from the native ethnic group of the Untied States should be allowed to be public servants.


Citizenship should never have been granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity

Its so easy to say stay behind and fix them when your not experiencing it.

Only native ethnic group should be allowed to be public servants? So anyone who isn't white shouldn't be allowed to be a firefighter, cop or elected official? The cop on Instagram should have not been allowed on the force because he's not white? How is that not the definition of racism?

By your logic when slavery ended in the United States African Americans should not have been allowed to become citizens.

Slavery should never have been allowed to happen. Importing 10 million ethnic foreigners into the country was a massive mistake.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:21 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Its so easy to say stay behind and fix them when your not experiencing it.

Only native ethnic group should be allowed to be public servants? So anyone who isn't white shouldn't be allowed to be a firefighter, cop or elected official? The cop on Instagram should have not been allowed on the force because he's not white? How is that not the definition of racism?

By your logic when slavery ended in the United States African Americans should not have been allowed to become citizens.

Slavery should never have been allowed to happen. Importing 10 million ethnic foreigners into the country was a massive mistake.


But it did happen and what your saying is they should not have been allowed to become citizens after the Civil War.

And why shouldnt the Instagram cop have been able to become a citizen or become a cop. He came here legally became a citizen and met all the requirements for the job. How is it not the definition of racism to say he shouldnt have be allowed to become a cop because he's not white?

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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:26 am

San Lumen wrote:But it did happen and what your saying is they should not have been allowed to become citizens after the Civil War.
Yes. The U.S. Government should have relocated the majority of them back to Africa.

And why shouldnt the Instagram cop have been able to become a citizen or become a cop. He came here legally became a citizen and met all the requirements for the job. How is it not the definition of racism to say he shouldnt have be allowed to become a cop because he's not white?

I already answered this question.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:28 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:But it did happen and what your saying is they should not have been allowed to become citizens after the Civil War.
Yes. The U.S. Government should have relocated the majority of them back to Africa.

And why shouldnt the Instagram cop have been able to become a citizen or become a cop. He came here legally became a citizen and met all the requirements for the job. How is it not the definition of racism to say he shouldnt have be allowed to become a cop because he's not white?

I already answered this question.


The entire point of the US Civil War was to end slavery and emancipate the slaves, not kick them out of the country.
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