Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Senegalboy]

Have you ever been to London?

This is a place with districts where more than half of the population is of one ethnic group, like Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets, and where there are simultaneously districts with not a single Bangladeshi resident.

You keep using that term 'melting pot.' I do not think it means what you think it means.

Here's some maps to help you.

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[spoiler=Caribbean Blacks]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

You'll notice they live in areas completely segregated from other ethnicities.

The White British ethnicity demographical distribution map also perfectly fits in with something else: London's voting distribution.


As for the 'melting pot' of Toronto, I can't be bothered to throw the slew of studies showing that white people move out of ethnic minority areas, and that middle class ethnic minorities move out of these areas. Other people already have.

Exactly. When you see a ghetto with only Pakistanis or only blacks its not diverse either something the left doesn't understand

Because whites move out if asians or blacks move in
The self segregation of the UK is a two way street so you can't just blame minorities

[Senegalboy]

> when the established population leaves an area because those bloody foreigners are bring poverty and crime, taking with them all of their economic capital, leaving the area poorer and more susceptible to crime

I mean, tbf, the problem mostly exist on some particular neighbourhoods, almost exclusively the Muslims ones.
Pieds Noirs, Christian Syrians/Lebanese/Egyptians, Armenians, Jewish, Vietnamese/Chinese ones, almost all have been assimilated into the the "mainstream" ones by now.
Only the Maghrebins and Near-Eastern ones formed literal ghettos on their own.

While there is no denying that this is a self-feeding circle, there is no denying it had to start somewhere neither nor that people could (and do) break it if they genuinely try to.

It isn't almost always muslims that live ghettos
Indians have their own ethnic enclave which is southall and parts of leicester
British Black Caribbeans have their own parts of London
Jews have their own area and schools segregated from white Brits
I'm a muslim and i don't live in a ghetto.
you are just saying that muslims are the ones that have problems

[Trumptonium]

I mean, tbf, the problem mostly exist on some particular neighbourhoods, almost exclusively the Muslims ones.
Pieds Noirs, Christian Syrians/Lebanese/Egyptians, Armenians, Jewish, Vietnamese/Chinese ones, almost all have been assimilated into the the "mainstream" ones by now.
Only the Maghrebins and Near-Eastern ones formed literal ghettos on their own.

While there is no denying that this is a self-feeding circle, there is no denying it had to start somewhere neither nor that people could (and do) break it if they genuinely try to.

It isn't almost always muslims that live ghettos
Indians have their own ethnic enclave which is southall and parts of leicester
British Black Caribbeans have their own parts of London
Jews have their own area and schools segregated from white Brits
I'm a muslim and i don't live in a ghetto.
you are just saying that muslims are the ones that have problems

He's talking from a French perspective, in which case I'd be led to believe it is correct, along with Belgium.

Yes, Muslims aren't the only ones with their own ghettoes in the UK. There's also Black Caribbeans (a map I missed, but there's too many), Romani gypsies, Irish travellers, above-mentioned Black Africans and in the near past Chinese and Irish.

There's also tonnes of self-segregated areas of Indian Sikh, Indian Hindu, Arabs, Chinese, Romanian, Polish, Italian, Jewish and Lithuanian belonging, but calling these 'ghettoes' is a stretch given their relative socioeconomic, employment and community participation status compared to the ghettoes mentioned above. They're just areas of extreme ethnic non-diversity and higher rates of poverty and lower average wages and crime, but generally higher employment.

Take parts of South Kensington, it could most definitely be called a French ethnic enclave as much of Kensington (and now north bank of Isle of Dogs being German) is ethnically plurality foreign. However nobody would call Kensington and Canary Wharf a ghetto.

There's definitely other parts of the country than London with extreme levels of ethnic majorities, like almost all of eastern Leicester being Indian, much of Finsbury being Jewish, much of Slough and Southampton being Polish, much of Bedford being Italian and much of Norwich being Lithuanian, but these aren't places one typically thinks of when thinking of a ghetto, that being a crime-ridden poor place with high unemployment, high benefit spending, high disability rates, extremely low wages and zero community participation/cohesion.

Unfortunately, most 'Muslim ghettoes' are just that. The above describes places like Tower Hamlets, Luton and Bradford perfectly well.

[Kubumba Tribe]

As have I and I can tell you its not a lie.

I currently live in London and its testament to the failed ideology of multiculturalism. Less than 45 percent of the population is indigenous. I mean nothing wrong with forgein people and that but 55 percent is too many. Places like east London is no longer English and you have massive 3rd world ghettos, you often have terror attacks and acid attacks and other forms of "cultural enrichment" and crime is out of control. Don't even get me started on the rich white spoiled millennials that live here. I cant wait until I am older and I move to the country away from here

Can't deal with the colored, huh?

I currently live in London and its testament to the failed ideology of multiculturalism. Less than 45 percent of the population is indigenous. I mean nothing wrong with forgein people and that but 55 percent is too many. Places like east London is no longer English and you have massive 3rd world ghettos, you often have terror attacks and acid attacks and other forms of "cultural enrichment" and crime is out of control. Don't even get me started on the rich white spoiled millennials that live here. I cant wait until I am older and I move to the country away from here

> when the established population leaves an area because those bloody foreigners are bring poverty and crime, taking with them all of their economic capital, leaving the area poorer and more susceptible to crime

Ikr

[Kubumba Tribe]

It isn't almost always muslims that live ghettos
Indians have their own ethnic enclave which is southall and parts of leicester
British Black Caribbeans have their own parts of London
Jews have their own area and schools segregated from white Brits
I'm a muslim and i don't live in a ghetto.
you are just saying that muslims are the ones that have problems

He's talking from a French perspective, in which case I'd be led to believe it is correct, along with Belgium.

Yes, Muslims aren't the only ones with their own ghettoes in the UK. There's also Black Caribbeans (a map I missed, but there's too many), Romani gypsies, Irish travellers, above-mentioned Black Africans and in the near past Chinese and Irish.

There's also tonnes of self-segregated areas of Indian Sikh, Indian Hindu, Arabs, Chinese, Romanian, Polish, Italian, Jewish and Lithuanian belonging, but calling these 'ghettoes' is a stretch given their relative socioeconomic, employment and community participation status compared to the ghettoes mentioned above. They're just areas of extreme ethnic non-diversity and higher rates of poverty and lower average wages and crime, but generally higher employment.

Take parts of South Kensington, it could most definitely be called a French ethnic enclave as much of Kensington (and now north bank of Isle of Dogs being German) is ethnically plurality foreign. However nobody would call Kensington and Canary Wharf a ghetto.

There's definitely other parts of the country than London with extreme levels of ethnic majorities, like almost all of eastern Leicester being Indian, much of Finsbury being Jewish, much of Slough and Southampton being Polish, much of Bedford being Italian and much of Norwich being Lithuanian, but these aren't places one typically thinks of when thinking of a ghetto, that being a crime-ridden poor place with high unemployment, high benefit spending, high disability rates, extremely low wages and zero community participation/cohesion.

Unfortunately, most 'Muslim ghettoes' are just that. The above describes places like Tower Hamlets, Luton and Bradford perfectly well.

Luton doesn't sound that bad according to wiki.

[Kubumba Tribe]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.thegua ... ite-people, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html, https://www.economist.com/news/britain/ ... eryone-out, http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/02/uk-cities ... e-6229126/

Seems to me that the white Brits are doing more self-segregating, not Brits of color.

[Senegalboy]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/02/segregation-inner-cities-racism-ethnic-minority-communities-white-people, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html, https://www.economist.com/news/britain/ ... eryone-out, http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/02/uk-cities ... e-6229126/

Seems to me that the white Brits are doing more self-segregating, not Brits of color.

Sometimes it is
An old man in my area said that if the area becomes less white then he would leave.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/02/segregation-inner-cities-racism-ethnic-minority-communities-white-people, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html, https://www.economist.com/news/britain/ ... eryone-out, http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/02/uk-cities ... e-6229126/

Seems to me that the white Brits are doing more self-segregating, not Brits of color.

Sometimes it is
An old man in my area said that if the area becomes less white then he would leave.

"I like POCs, but there's too many of them" <--- this isn't racist how???

[Immoren]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

But Londinium was found by Romans. Britons arrived much later.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

But Londinium was found by Romans. Britons arrived much later.

OH SNAP!!!!!!
Britons get out of London, stealing jobs and creating ghettos and not assimilating!
#MakeLondiniumRomanAgain.

[Senegalboy]

Sometimes it is
An old man in my area said that if the area becomes less white then he would leave.

"I like POCs, but there's too many of them" <--- this isn't racist how???

Most British people do not want a lot of immigration and want to reduce it significantly.1/2 of the people in my area raise the Flag of St George "to defend english culture". many think that Immigrants are taking over but White Brits still make 81% of the Population.

[San Lumen]

I currently live in London and its testament to the failed ideology of multiculturalism. Less than 45 percent of the population is indigenous. I mean nothing wrong with forgein people and that but 55 percent is too many. Places like east London is no longer English and you have massive 3rd world ghettos, you often have terror attacks and acid attacks and other forms of "cultural enrichment" and crime is out of control. Don't even get me started on the rich white spoiled millennials that live here. I cant wait until I am older and I move to the country away from here

Can't deal with the colored, huh?

> when the established population leaves an area because those bloody foreigners are bring poverty and crime, taking with them all of their economic capital, leaving the area poorer and more susceptible to crime

Ikr

Im inclined to agree with your first point. Seems like racism to me.

[Kubumba Tribe]

"I like POCs, but there's too many of them" <--- this isn't racist how???

Most British people do not want a lot of immigration and want to reduce it significantly.1/2 of the people in my area raise the Flag of St George "to defend english culture". many think that Immigrants are taking over but White Brits still make 81% of the Population.

For real tho, if white British people don't want immigrants "to take over" (whatever that means), then stop doing white flight every time a non-white family comes in!

[San Lumen]

Most British people do not want a lot of immigration and want to reduce it significantly.1/2 of the people in my area raise the Flag of St George "to defend english culture". many think that Immigrants are taking over but White Brits still make 81% of the Population.

For real tho, if white British people don't want immigrants "to take over" (whatever that means), then stop doing white flight every time a non-white family comes in!

Exactly. To me white flight is a form of racism.
"Oh non whites are moving in let me retreat to my safe suburb with my green lawn and white picket fence seem to be the sentiment.

[Washington Resistance Army]

For real tho, if white British people don't want immigrants "to take over" (whatever that means), then stop doing white flight every time a non-white family comes in!

Exactly. To me white flight is a form of racism. "Oh non whites are moving in let me retreat to my safe suburb with my green lawn and white picket fence. "

It makes sense tbh, people are tribalistic and like to be around others like them.

[San Lumen]

Exactly. To me white flight is a form of racism. "Oh non whites are moving in let me retreat to my safe suburb with my green lawn and white picket fence. "

It makes sense tbh, people are tribalistic and like to be around others like them.

well im not. I dont care what someone looks like. Appearance doesn't matter what does matter is the size of your heart and the strength of your character.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It makes sense tbh, people are tribalistic and like to be around others like them.

well im not. I dont care what someone looks like. Appearance doesn't matter what does matter is the size of your heart and the strength of your character.

It sure seems like you care what people look like given how often you rage against "lily white" communities.

[Senegalboy]

Most British people do not want a lot of immigration and want to reduce it significantly.1/2 of the people in my area raise the Flag of St George "to defend english culture". many think that Immigrants are taking over but White Brits still make 81% of the Population.

For real tho, if white British people don't want immigrants "to take over" (whatever that means), then stop doing white flight every time a non-white family comes in!

One of the reasons of the decline of the White British population is white flight
Approximately 620,000 white brits have "fled" London to the Home counties(the counties surrounding London) or the South West which are both overwhelmingly White British being 87% and 91% white British respectively

[Kubumba Tribe]

well im not. I dont care what someone looks like. Appearance doesn't matter what does matter is the size of your heart and the strength of your character.

It sure seems like you care what people look like given how often you rage against "lily white" communities.

Ain't seen him do this.

[Washington Resistance Army]

It sure seems like you care what people look like given how often you rage against "lily white" communities.

Ain't seen him do this.

I don't think he's done it all that recently but back around election time and a bit after he did it constantly. Every time I said I disagreed with him on something it was always "well that's cuz you're white and from a white area" or some variant thereof.

[Bakery Hill]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

But Londinium was found by Romans. Britons arrived much later.

Londinium was a Roman settlement built on British land. Britons arrived around 2000 years before that.

[Bakery Hill]

Exactly. To me white flight is a form of racism. "Oh non whites are moving in let me retreat to my safe suburb with my green lawn and white picket fence. "

It makes sense tbh, people are tribalistic and like to be around others like them.

The problem is more racialisation (which is itself reinforced by multiculturalism). I've always hard far more in common with working class migrants that I've lived with than richer whites.

[Ifreann]

Exactly. To me white flight is a form of racism. "Oh non whites are moving in let me retreat to my safe suburb with my green lawn and white picket fence. "

It makes sense tbh, people are tribalistic and like to be around others like them.

Let me tell you a parable.

---

But Londinium was found by Romans. Britons arrived much later.

Londinium was a Roman settlement built on British land. Britons arrived around 2000 years before that.

BRITONS OVT
LONDINIVM FOR THE ROMANS

[Immoren]

But Londinium was found by Romans. Britons arrived much later.

Londinium was a Roman settlement built on British land. Britons arrived around 2000 years before that.

You caught me not correcting myself.

[Bakery Hill]

Londinium was a Roman settlement built on British land. Britons arrived around 2000 years before that.

You caught me not correcting myself.

It's what I do best.