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Postby Quency » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:02 am

Torrocca wrote:
Quency wrote:He said they were uncivilised. Which I would find to be a fairly ridiculous statement to consider controversial. Advanced intelligence and social structures necessary for civilisation only really developed in Eurasia, where conditions were right that settled agriculutralists could produce enough short-term relative to hunter-gatherers to take have a leg to stand on.
Namely in colder climates where it was largely necessary for modern humans after the last Ice Age, very fertile lands where agriculture payed off well versus hunting-gathering (Mesopotamia, the Nile, Indus river, China, etc.), and places where hunting-gathering was not very effective short-term.


That's some advanced level bullshittery right there, considering several civilizations developed in what's not Eurasia. Take those disingenuous lies of yours someplace else.
Sure. Many agricultural societies developed independently eg. in the Maghreb, much of the Americas, places in the Pacific, etc. But Eurasia (and North Africa, which I didn't but probably should have mentioned) were certainly the brunt of it.
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Postby Torrocca » Tue Jul 11, 2017 2:04 am

Quency wrote:
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That's some advanced level bullshittery right there, considering several civilizations developed in what's not Eurasia. Take those disingenuous lies of yours someplace else.
Sure. Many agricultural societies developed independently eg. in the Maghreb, much of the Americas, places in the Pacific, etc. But Eurasia (and North Africa, which I didn't but probably should have mentioned) were certainly the brunt of it.


Okay, but that certainly doesn't change your point that you basically called or inferred that all non-Eurasians uncivilized, stupid, and practically barbaric with this little bit of yours:

Quency wrote:Advanced intelligence and social structures necessary for civilisation only really developed in Eurasia...
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:06 am

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Torrocca wrote:
That's some advanced level bullshittery right there, considering several civilizations developed in what's not Eurasia. Take those disingenuous lies of yours someplace else.
Sure. Many agricultural societies developed independently eg. in the Maghreb, much of the Americas, places in the Pacific, etc. But Eurasia (and North Africa, which I didn't but probably should have mentioned) were certainly the brunt of it.

Back-peddling is amusing.
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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:11 am

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Okay. Why?


The native population of the US and Canada are the same ethnicity as the immigrants who originally founded those countries, which is Anglo-European and other closely related Northern-European races.

No. Even though Native Americans inhabited land that is now apart of the United States and Canada, they are separate from those two countries. Native Americans have not inhabited the US/Canada for thousands of years. They have inhabited land that was completely unconnected with the US or Canada until very recently in history. They have been natives of their own respective nations; the Iroquois Nation, the Blackhawk Nation, the Choctaw Nation, etc. Those Nations were then invaded and annexed by foreign Anglo-European powers.

I suggest you read a history book. There where Native Americans all along the East coast.

I am completely aware of that. I mentioned the Iroquois Nation which is on the east coast. That detracts nothing from my argument.

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Postby Repubblica di Guyana » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:15 am

Since I am from Brazil, and Brazilian culture is literally African, Amerindian and European culture being one and the same, I'm forced to agree that it is a good thing.

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Postby Lanoraie » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:56 am

True diversity: Yes.

Forced liberal multiculturalism and the erasure of white people: No.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:14 am

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Who said that? They don't know what they're doing, but they still need to be stopped.


White people aren't endangered. This is literally a population cycle that they are going through due to increased wealth and higher standard of living. They'll start having higher birth rates when the cycle starts anew. The majority of Syrian and Iraqi refugees will return to their country once the war de-escalates. I agree that the economic refugees must be stopped due to certain countries enduring employment problems such as France and whatnot but the refugees aren't a "Europe will end up getting destroyed" level threat.

Many refugees do not end up going back home. Studies have shown that.
Lanoraie wrote:True diversity: Yes.

Forced liberal multiculturalism and the erasure of white people: No.


where is multiculturalism forced and white people are being erased?

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:16 am

San Lumen wrote:where is multiculturalism forced and white people are being erased?

We'd already been erased. It's what gave us our pasty white skin. Then some idiots decided to go draw on themselves again.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:32 am

Alvecia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:where is multiculturalism forced and white people are being erased?

We'd already been erased. It's what gave us our pasty white skin.


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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 am

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San Lumen wrote:Your implying there is some conspiracy to eliminate whites. There isn't. If certain groups aren't having children at the rate of others then so be it. Its not the job the of the government to increase brith rates of certain people.


Of course it's the government's job to preserve it's own people. That's what it exists for. To serve the people... or what it should exist for... It's also the government's job to guard against the foreign hordes in the first place.

Yes but not be encouraging or passing laws so one group has more children than the other. Who cares whose having children and who isn't? There are more important things to worry about.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:34 am

Tekeristan wrote:
Alvecia wrote:We'd already been erased. It's what gave us our pasty white skin.


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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:46 am

San Lumen wrote:
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Of course it's the government's job to preserve it's own people. That's what it exists for. To serve the people... or what it should exist for... It's also the government's job to guard against the foreign hordes in the first place.

Yes but not be encouraging or passing laws so one group has more children than the other. Who cares whose having children and who isn't? There are more important things to worry about.

Population control is how you preserve your people. Like I said before, this is very important in order to maintain the cultural and racial integrity of the nation.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:47 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes but not be encouraging or passing laws so one group has more children than the other. Who cares whose having children and who isn't? There are more important things to worry about.

Population control is how you preserve your people. Like I said before, this is very important in order to maintain the cultural and racial integrity of the nation.

People change all the time. Why stop that?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 8:50 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes but not be encouraging or passing laws so one group has more children than the other. Who cares whose having children and who isn't? There are more important things to worry about.

Population control is how you preserve your people. Like I said before, this is very important in order to maintain the cultural and racial integrity of the nation.

So the governments of places like London, Frankfurt, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, San Francisco should be passing things to restore a white majority? Canada and the United States were founded on immigration so what is the cultural and racial integrity your preserving? That of whites?
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:01 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Population control is how you preserve your people. Like I said before, this is very important in order to maintain the cultural and racial integrity of the nation.

So the governments of places like London, Frankfurt, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, San Francisco should be passing things to restore a white majority? Canada and the United States were founded on immigration so what is the cultural and racial integrity your preserving? That of whites?

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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:05 am

San Lumen wrote:So the governments of places like London, Frankfurt, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, San Francisco should be passing things to restore a white majority?

Yes, specifically an Anglo-European majority for cities like London or New York and a Germanic majority for cities like Frankfurt. But that's something that the central government should handle, not individual cities.

The United States were founded on immigration so what is the cultural and racial integrity your preserving? That of whites?

It was founded on white immigration from Europe. So yes, the cultural/racial integrity being preserved would be that of white Anglo-Europeans.

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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:05 am

Well, I don't believe in the inherent morality of anything, since abstractions left alone have no goals. They can be turned to different ends. Diversity expands the realized range of created forms of human life, and multiculturalism is a subset of that. For those who prefer a bit of variability in their environment, it's very nice. For people who could eat chicken nuggets for the rest of their lives, so to say, not so much.
The only diversity I don't like is of opinions on how random private citizens are to be oppressed and massacred by other private citizens and the state.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:09 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So the governments of places like London, Frankfurt, Toronto, Vancouver, New York, San Francisco should be passing things to restore a white majority?

Yes, specifically an Anglo-European majority for cities like London or New York and a Germanic majority for cities like Frankfurt. But that's something that the central government should handle, not individual cities.

The United States were founded on immigration so what is the cultural and racial integrity your preserving? That of whites?

It was founded on white immigration from Europe. So yes, the cultural/racial integrity being preserved would be that of white Anglo-Europeans.

That sounds awfully white supremacist.

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Postby The Islands of Versilia » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:15 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Yes, specifically an Anglo-European majority for cities like London or New York and a Germanic majority for cities like Frankfurt. But that's something that the central government should handle, not individual cities.


It was founded on white immigration from Europe. So yes, the cultural/racial integrity being preserved would be that of white Anglo-Europeans.

That sounds awfully white supremacist.

No. That's not White supremacism. That's wishing to retain native ethnic majorities.
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Postby Setgavarius » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:16 am

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San Lumen wrote:That sounds awfully white supremacist.

No. That's not White supremacism. That's wishing to retain native ethnic majorities.

I prefer my nativism to smell like a safeguard of liberalism, not of melanin.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 am

The Islands of Versilia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That sounds awfully white supremacist.

No. That's not White supremacism. That's wishing to retain native ethnic majorities.

Why is that something the government should be concerned with? I dont want the government favoring one race or group of people over another.

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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 am

Setgavarius wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:No. That's not White supremacism. That's wishing to retain native ethnic majorities.

I prefer my nativism to smell like a safeguard of liberalism, not of melanin.

Ah, so you're okay with diversity of people, just not diversity of opinion? I honestly don't know which one is worse.

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Postby Illiberalism » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:17 am

San Lumen wrote:
Illiberalism wrote:Yes, specifically an Anglo-European majority for cities like London or New York and a Germanic majority for cities like Frankfurt. But that's something that the central government should handle, not individual cities.


It was founded on white immigration from Europe. So yes, the cultural/racial integrity being preserved would be that of white Anglo-Europeans.

That sounds awfully white supremacist.

I'm not neccessarily saying that whites are superior, just that ethnic unity should be maintained. For instance, I do not believe whites should be immigrating to Japan, since only ethnic Japanese belong in Japan.
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Postby Pasong Tirad » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:18 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Islands of Versilia wrote:No. That's not White supremacism. That's wishing to retain native ethnic majorities.

Why is that something the government should be concerned with? I dont want the government favoring one race or group of people over another.

Especially because the last time a government did do that they killed a couple tens of millions of people.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:22 am

Illiberalism wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That sounds awfully white supremacist.

I'm not neccessarily saying that whites are superior, just that ethnic unity should be maintained. For instance, I do not believe whites should be immigrating to Japan, since only the Japanese belong in Japan.

So no one should immigrate to another country for better opportunity? The Asians, African americans or Hispanics in my city should leave? One of the people I follow on Instagram in an immigrant from Dominica and is a cop in New York. What your saying is he shouldn't have been able to become a cop.
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