Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Bakery Hill]

None of the places i mentioned have high levels of segregation or race riots.

I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

[San Lumen]

I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

London is a perfect example of how multiculturalism and diversity works

[The Empire of Pretantia]

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

London is a perfect example of how multiculturalism and diversity works

Poorly?

[San Lumen]

London is a perfect example of how multiculturalism and diversity works

Poorly?

No it is not

[Bakery Hill]

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

London is a perfect example of how multiculturalism and diversity works

WhY CaN'T We Be MoRe LiKe EuROpE????

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -across-uk
http://socialintegrationcommission.org. ... port-finds

And meanwhile in the wild wild uncouth north which is totally unlike London and not remote comparable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Birmingham_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Bradford_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Oldham_riots

[San Lumen]

London is a perfect example of how multiculturalism and diversity works

WhY CaN'T We Be MoRe LiKe EuROpE????

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -across-uk
http://socialintegrationcommission.org. ... port-finds

And meanwhile in the wild wild uncouth north which is totally unlike London and not remote comparable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Birmingham_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Bradford_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Oldham_riots

I find it sad that British cities are becoming more segregated.

[The East Marches II]

I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

How progressive! What a nice banker's paradise.

[Bakery Hill]

WhY CaN'T We Be MoRe LiKe EuROpE????

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/segre ... 95491.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/201 ... -across-uk
http://socialintegrationcommission.org. ... port-finds

And meanwhile in the wild wild uncouth north which is totally unlike London and not remote comparable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Birmingham_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Bradford_riots
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Oldham_riots

I find it sad that British cities are becoming more segregated.

As do I. Maybe they are not perfect examples of how multiculturalism and diversity works?

[San Lumen]

I find it sad that British cities are becoming more segregated.

As do I. Maybe they are not perfect examples of how multiculturalism and diversity works?

Perhaps London might not be the best example according to that article. Toronto and Vancouver are good examples as is New York.

[Bakery Hill]

I have been told everything is very clean and nice in the City. My friend even saw some PoC visiting the Tate Modern.

How progressive! What a nice banker's paradise.

I love the little ethnic restaurants all around my apartment, they give so much flavour to the area! Of course the damned council forced us to put up with this rest assistance social housing nonsense but those sort of people thankfully come through a separate door. How I regret voting for Livingstone in my younger more idealistic days.

[San Lumen]

How progressive! What a nice banker's paradise.

I love the little ethnic restaurants all around my apartment, they give so much flavour to the area! Of course the damned council forced us to put up with this rest assistance social housing nonsense but those sort of people thankfully come through a separate door. How I regret voting for Livingstone in my younger more idealistic days.

Are you from London?

[Bakery Hill]

As do I. Maybe they are not perfect examples of how multiculturalism and diversity works?

Perhaps London might not be the best example according to that article. Toronto and Vancouver are good examples as is New York.

Perhaps all three of might not be the best examples?
http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blog ... -avoidance

His team of researchers discovered “areas with higher initial white British populations tend to attract white residents, while those with significant ethnic minority shares lose them.”

Many parallels exist between London, Toronto and Metro Vancouver, which demographers refer to as “super-diverse” or “hyper-diverse” cities.

Foreign-born people make up 12 per cent of Britons compared to 21 per cent of Canadians. They concentrate in urban regions. The proportion of foreign born in London is 37 per cent, in Metro Vancouver it’s 45 per cent and in Greater Toronto 49 per cent.

As Vancouver Sun data reporter Chad Skelton and I discovered by creating interactive maps of the ethnic makeup of Metro Vancouver, this city of 2.4 million, like London, is home to large ethnic enclaves.

Sections of North Surrey are three-quarters South Asian. Central Richmond is more than 70-per-cent ethnic Chinese. Vancouver and Burnaby also include ethnic enclaves.

On the other hand, suburbs, such as Tsawwassen, South Surrey, White Rock, Langley and the North Shore, retain white majorities. This is also true of urban areas such as Kitsilano and New Westminster.

[Bakery Hill]

I love the little ethnic restaurants all around my apartment, they give so much flavour to the area! Of course the damned council forced us to put up with this rest assistance social housing nonsense but those sort of people thankfully come through a separate door. How I regret voting for Livingstone in my younger more idealistic days.

Are you from London?

Did I really pull it off that well? Thank you sir. You do me a great complement?

[San Lumen]

Perhaps London might not be the best example according to that article. Toronto and Vancouver are good examples as is New York.

Perhaps all three of might not be the best examples?
http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blog ... -avoidance

His team of researchers discovered “areas with higher initial white British populations tend to attract white residents, while those with significant ethnic minority shares lose them.”

Many parallels exist between London, Toronto and Metro Vancouver, which demographers refer to as “super-diverse” or “hyper-diverse” cities.

Foreign-born people make up 12 per cent of Britons compared to 21 per cent of Canadians. They concentrate in urban regions. The proportion of foreign born in London is 37 per cent, in Metro Vancouver it’s 45 per cent and in Greater Toronto 49 per cent.

As Vancouver Sun data reporter Chad Skelton and I discovered by creating interactive maps of the ethnic makeup of Metro Vancouver, this city of 2.4 million, like London, is home to large ethnic enclaves.

Sections of North Surrey are three-quarters South Asian. Central Richmond is more than 70-per-cent ethnic Chinese. Vancouver and Burnaby also include ethnic enclaves.

On the other hand, suburbs, such as Tsawwassen, South Surrey, White Rock, Langley and the North Shore, retain white majorities. This is also true of urban areas such as Kitsilano and New Westminster.

How does that article show that Vancouver isn't a good example? im not sure i understand it.

[Bakery Hill]

Perhaps all three of might not be the best examples?
http://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blog ... -avoidance

How does that article show that Vancouver isn't a good example? im not sure i understand it.

Vancouver is heavily ethnically segregated.

[San Lumen]

How does that article show that Vancouver isn't a good example? im not sure i understand it.

Vancouver is heavily ethnically segregated.

Well every city has its ethnic enclaves, even my city and our neighbor to the west. They are both multicultural melting pots. Just because they have ethnic enclaves doesn't mean they are examples of how multiculturalism and diversity doesn't work

[Bakery Hill]

Vancouver is heavily ethnically segregated.

Well every city has its ethnic enclaves, even my city and our neighbor to the west. They are both multicultural melting pots. Just because they have ethnic enclaves doesn't mean they are examples of how multiculturalism and diversity doesn't work

oh wow it's a real melting pot

His team of researchers discovered “areas with higher initial white British populations tend to attract white residents, while those with significant ethnic minority shares lose them.”

Putting it another way, Kaufmann says many whites, regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal, rich or poor, tend to move to relatively white areas.

He found neighbourhoods in Toronto and Vancouver with the highest shares of ethnic minorities “saw quicker declines in the white population,” especially white people with families.

He also noted some Canadian ethnic minorities “are leaving their own ethnic concentrations and moving into mixed-minority areas, while whites are less likely to enter such areas.”

[San Lumen]

Well every city has its ethnic enclaves, even my city and our neighbor to the west. They are both multicultural melting pots. Just because they have ethnic enclaves doesn't mean they are examples of how multiculturalism and diversity doesn't work

oh wow it's a real melting pot

His team of researchers discovered “areas with higher initial white British populations tend to attract white residents, while those with significant ethnic minority shares lose them.”

Putting it another way, Kaufmann says many whites, regardless of whether they are conservative or liberal, rich or poor, tend to move to relatively white areas.

He found neighbourhoods in Toronto and Vancouver with the highest shares of ethnic minorities “saw quicker declines in the white population,” especially white people with families.

He also noted some Canadian ethnic minorities “are leaving their own ethnic concentrations and moving into mixed-minority areas, while whites are less likely to enter such areas.”

Well i find it quite sad that whites in some places dont want to live near non whites. who cares what someones skin color is?

[Bakery Hill]

oh wow it's a real melting pot

Well i find it quite sad that whites in some places dont want to live near non whites. who cares what someones skin color is?

A lot of people living in these multicultural success stories apparently.

[Ultramarr]

Google it its famous they have a word for it in Arabic and everything and is practised in parts of North Africa

In other words you don't?

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... _KvUzY-t1W
Here you go. The rape game as they call it committed by North African and Arab migrants

[Ultramarr]

I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

As have I and I can tell you its not a lie.

I currently live in London and its testament to the failed ideology of multiculturalism. Less than 45 percent of the population is indigenous. I mean nothing wrong with forgein people and that but 55 percent is too many. Places like east London is no longer English and you have massive 3rd world ghettos, you often have terror attacks and acid attacks and other forms of "cultural enrichment" and crime is out of control. Don't even get me started on the rich white spoiled millennials that live here. I cant wait until I am older and I move to the country away from here

[Bakery Hill]

As have I and I can tell you its not a lie.

I currently live in London and its testament to the failed ideology of multiculturalism. Less than 45 percent of the population is indigenous. I mean nothing wrong with forgein people and that but 55 percent is too many. Places like east London is no longer English and you have massive 3rd world ghettos, you often have terror attacks and acid attacks and other forms of "cultural enrichment" and crime is out of control. Don't even get me started on the rich white spoiled millennials that live here. I cant wait until I am older and I move to the country away from here

> when the established population leaves an area because those bloody foreigners are bring poverty and crime, taking with them all of their economic capital, leaving the area poorer and more susceptible to crime

[Trumptonium]

So what is your optimal example of successful diversity and multiculturalism?

London

Have you ever been to London?

This is a place with districts where more than half of the population is of one ethnic group, like Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets, and where there are simultaneously districts with not a single Bangladeshi resident.

You keep using that term 'melting pot.' I do not think it means what you think it means.

Here's some maps to help you.

/spoiler]
[spoiler=Caribbean Blacks]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

You'll notice they live in areas completely segregated from other ethnicities.

The White British ethnicity demographical distribution map also perfectly fits in with something else: London's voting distribution.


As for the 'melting pot' of Toronto, I can't be bothered to throw the slew of studies showing that white people move out of ethnic minority areas, and that middle class ethnic minorities move out of these areas. Other people already have.

[Ultramarr]

London

Have you ever been to London?

This is a place with districts where more than half of the population is of one ethnic group, like Bangladeshis in Tower Hamlets, and where there are simultaneously districts with not a single Bangladeshi resident.

You keep using that term 'melting pot.' I do not think it means what you think it means.

Here's some maps to help you.

/spoiler]
[spoiler=Caribbean Blacks]

And here's the best one: the indigenous people of London. White British. Areas where there are 4% native people.

You'll notice they live in areas completely segregated from other ethnicities.

The White British ethnicity demographical distribution map also perfectly fits in with something else: London's voting distribution.


As for the 'melting pot' of Toronto, I can't be bothered to throw the slew of studies showing that white people move out of ethnic minority areas, and that middle class ethnic minorities move out of these areas. Other people already have.

Exactly. When you see a ghetto with only Pakistanis or only blacks its not diverse either something the left doesn't understand

[Aellex]

> when the established population leaves an area because those bloody foreigners are bring poverty and crime, taking with them all of their economic capital, leaving the area poorer and more susceptible to crime

I mean, tbf, the problem mostly exist on some particular neighbourhoods, almost exclusively the Muslims ones.
Pieds Noirs, Christian Syrians/Lebanese/Egyptians, Armenians, Jewish, Vietnamese/Chinese ones, almost all have been assimilated into the the "mainstream" ones by now.
Only the Maghrebins and Near-Eastern ones formed literal ghettos on their own.

While there is no denying that this is a self-feeding circle, there is no denying it had to start somewhere neither nor that people could (and do) break it if they genuinely try to.