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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:02 am

Ultramarr wrote:It doesn't work because some cultures are better than others and its mainly masses of people from cultural backwards 3rd countries going to small highly cultured 1st world countries then behaving with their backwards culture. For example many migrants from North Africa in Germany would play a game they called "the rape game" and rape women in crowds.

Source?
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:40 am

Ultramarr wrote:It doesn't work because some cultures are better than others and its mainly masses of people from cultural backwards 3rd countries going to small highly cultured 1st world countries then behaving with their backwards culture. For example many migrants from North Africa in Germany would play a game they called "the rape game" and rape women in crowds.

Whereas in Western, civilized society, we wisely limit that kind of behavior to Fraternities.
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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:43 am

San Lumen wrote:
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A country which is explicitly self-described as authoritarian in order to keep all the ethnicities peacefully in line?

Aight, let's implement that in the West. Abolishment of multiparty democracy when?

Oh.

Singapore is not my ideal at all.


So what is your optimal example of successful diversity and multiculturalism?
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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:57 am

Neanderthaland wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:It doesn't work because some cultures are better than others and its mainly masses of people from cultural backwards 3rd countries going to small highly cultured 1st world countries then behaving with their backwards culture. For example many migrants from North Africa in Germany would play a game they called "the rape game" and rape women in crowds.

Whereas in Western, civilized society, we wisely limit that kind of behavior to Fraternities.

I don't think most people in the west ever raped someone. The numbers of rapists will be a low percentage compared to a lot of the world. You don't see mobs of people here raping people or playing "the rape game". Also whats fraternities?

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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 11:59 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:It doesn't work because some cultures are better than others and its mainly masses of people from cultural backwards 3rd countries going to small highly cultured 1st world countries then behaving with their backwards culture. For example many migrants from North Africa in Germany would play a game they called "the rape game" and rape women in crowds.

Source?

Google it its famous they have a word for it in Arabic and everything and is practised in parts of North Africa

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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:37 pm

Ultramarr wrote:Also whats fraternities?


A pretty much America-only occurrence of student societies that people tend to belong to post-university with a lot of dodgy initiations and later-in-career-favours. Very few in France and Canada, nonexistent outside of that.
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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:39 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Also whats fraternities?


A pretty much America-only occurrence of student societies that people tend to belong to post-university with a lot of dodgy initiations and later-in-career-favours. Very few in France and Canada, nonexistent outside of that.

I see. Well sounds like those vile freemason scum. I never heard of them here in the UK. Although we had a previous degenerate prime minister David Cameron that molested a dead pig in one of those hidden student societies.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:31 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Source?

Google it its famous they have a word for it in Arabic and everything and is practised in parts of North Africa

In other words you don't?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:41 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
A pretty much America-only occurrence of student societies that people tend to belong to post-university with a lot of dodgy initiations and later-in-career-favours. Very few in France and Canada, nonexistent outside of that.

I see. Well sounds like those vile freemason scum. I never heard of them here in the UK. Although we had a previous degenerate prime minister David Cameron that molested a dead pig in one of those hidden student societies.

I see we're spreading gossip as fact now.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:22 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Singapore is not my ideal at all.


So what is your optimal example of successful diversity and multiculturalism?

New York or Toronto. London as well.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Trumptonium wrote:
So what is your optimal example of successful diversity and multiculturalism?

New York or Toronto. London as well.

Oh dear. If you want to remain wedded to establishment multiculturalism, expect to keep losing arguments to white nationalists.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:36 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
San Lumen wrote:New York or Toronto. London as well.

Oh dear. If you want to remain wedded to establishment multiculturalism, expect to keep losing arguments to white nationalists.

Is that even possible?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:41 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Oh dear. If you want to remain wedded to establishment multiculturalism, expect to keep losing arguments to white nationalists.

Is that even possible?

Look around you. There's many ways to lose an argument, many of them don't involve reason or the lack of it.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:43 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Is that even possible?

Look around you. There's many ways to lose an argument, many of them don't involve reason or the lack of it.

But white nationalists already have a platform with what you said, so how does one lose to a nonsensical ideology?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Neanderthaland » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:50 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Look around you. There's many ways to lose an argument, many of them don't involve reason or the lack of it.

But white nationalists already have a platform with what you said, so how does one lose to a nonsensical ideology?

Gish gallop?
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:52 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Look around you. There's many ways to lose an argument, many of them don't involve reason or the lack of it.

But white nationalists already have a platform with what you said, so how does one lose to a nonsensical ideology?

What?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:57 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:But white nationalists already have a platform with what you said, so how does one lose to a nonsensical ideology?

What?

How does one lose an argument to someone that ascribes to an ideology as stupid as white nationalism (I'm not calling the people stupid, calling the ideology stupid)?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Proctopeo » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What?

How does one lose an argument to someone that ascribes to an ideology as stupid as white nationalism (I'm not calling the people stupid, calling the ideology stupid)?

Because people with bad ideologies can make good arguments.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:02 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:What?

How does one lose an argument to someone that ascribes to an ideology as stupid as white nationalism (I'm not calling the people stupid, calling the ideology stupid)?

I should reform my position. White nationalism isn't stupid, it's evil. There are plenty of ideologies which I detest or disagree with that will work.

But even all that aside, a wrong argument can still win. You can appeal to emotions and values etc. and white nationalists certainly do that, while liberals often try dismiss or downplay the limits and weaknesses of our current multicultural society. And so white nationalist and anti-immigrant feelings rise everywhere.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:06 pm

One example is the argument that multicultural societies lack cohesion. When a white nationalist presents this premise, a liberal will deny that it has any truth and everything is in fact hunky dory. It might be better to examine some of the examples the white nationalists bring up and ask "why are these societies lacking cohesion? why do they often have massive self-segregation on ethnic lines? why are there intermittent race riots?" that way you can not only win the argument, but go towards eliminating these problems altogether.

I should add that this pig-headed denial is often tantamount to acknowledging the white nationalist logic (that multi-cultural societies cannot work and ethnic minorities must be removed) by default or at least allowing it exist unchallenged. That helps no one except them and their agenda.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:47 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
San Lumen wrote:New York or Toronto. London as well.

Oh dear. If you want to remain wedded to establishment multiculturalism, expect to keep losing arguments to white nationalists.

And how did giving those examples mean i lost the argument?

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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:50 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Oh dear. If you want to remain wedded to establishment multiculturalism, expect to keep losing arguments to white nationalists.

And how did giving those examples mean i lost the argument?

Because they'll start bringing up the high levels of ethnic segregation in neighbourhoods and institutions and the intermittent race riots and the consistent levels of distrust communities share for one another in polling data. And it'll just be a game of downplay and minimise that helps no one, as I've said in my previous responses.
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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:51 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And how did giving those examples mean i lost the argument?

Because they'll start bringing up the high levels of ethnic segregation in neighbourhoods and institutions and the intermittent race riots and the consistent levels of distrust communities share for one another in polling data. And it'll just be a game of downplay and minimise that helps no one, as I've said in my previous responses.

None of the places i mentioned have high levels of segregation or race riots.

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Postby The East Marches II » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:55 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Because they'll start bringing up the high levels of ethnic segregation in neighbourhoods and institutions and the intermittent race riots and the consistent levels of distrust communities share for one another in polling data. And it'll just be a game of downplay and minimise that helps no one, as I've said in my previous responses.

None of the places i mentioned have high levels of segregation or race riots.


I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:57 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:None of the places i mentioned have high levels of segregation or race riots.


I've been to London and I can tell what you just said was a flat out lie.

As have I and I can tell you its not a lie.

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