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Postby Kasynatia » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:52 pm

No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:53 pm

Kasynatia wrote:No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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could you explain why its bad?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:48 pm

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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Dec 27, 2017 5:53 pm

Kasynatia wrote:No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.
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Postby Proctopeo » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:09 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kasynatia wrote:No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.

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Postby Oil exporting People » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:11 pm

Bakery Hill wrote:Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


Which can also be countered by pointing out the Singapore is not exactly Democratic in the Western mold, and is very much dominated by one group in the form of the ethnic Chinese.
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Postby Torrocca » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:15 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


Which can also be countered by pointing out the Singapore is not exactly Democratic in the Western mold, and is very much dominated by one group in the form of the ethnic Chinese.


*Gasp* are you s-s-saying that problems in countries have more to do with politics than diversity?

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Postby Kasynatia » Wed Dec 27, 2017 8:52 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kasynatia wrote:No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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could you explain why its bad?

Europe.... nuff said

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Postby Bakery Hill » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:02 pm

Oil exporting People wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


Which can also be countered by pointing out the Singapore is not exactly Democratic in the Western mold

So truly the values of a society contribute to the degree that it can sustain ethnic plurality.

and is very much dominated by one group in the form of the ethnic Chinese.

And yet the level to which it is dominated by the Chinese is less than in many of those countries that are apparently being laid low by multiculturalism already.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:51 pm

Kasynatia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:could you explain why its bad?

Europe.... nuff said

Thats not an answer.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:21 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kasynatia wrote:Europe.... nuff said

Thats not an answer.

I was gonna say something similar to that
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:23 pm

Kasynatia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:could you explain why its bad?

Europe.... nuff said

So you can't actually explain, got it.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:52 pm

The city where we live now is 1/3 Mexican, 1/3 African American, and 1/3 white. Most guys from all sectors and vectors wear cowboy hats and drive pickup trucks, and enjoy fried chicken. It is not perfect but there is vitality here and folks get along remarkably well.
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Postby Mattopilos II » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:55 pm

I think it is more beneficial than not. Doesn't help others disagree and actively aim to create a divide between people, in turn making it a "bad" thing.
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Postby Trumptonium » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:31 am

Bakery Hill wrote:
Kasynatia wrote:No, diversity is a very bad thing. Countries like Iceland vs South Africa prove that less diversity is better.

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Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


A country which is explicitly self-described as authoritarian in order to keep all the ethnicities peacefully in line?

Aight, let's implement that in the West. Abolishment of multiparty democracy when?

Oh.
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Postby Bakery Hill » Thu Dec 28, 2017 7:41 am

Trumptonium wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


A country which is explicitly self-described as authoritarian in order to keep all the ethnicities peacefully in line?

Aight, let's implement that in the West. Abolishment of multiparty democracy when?

Oh.

damn i am so very wedded to liberal democratic values and parliamentarianism and all how dreadfully sad for me to fall upon this conundrum
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:06 am

Kasynatia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:could you explain why its bad?

Europe.... nuff said

Not an argument.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Dec 28, 2017 8:12 am

Pope Joan wrote:The city where we live now is 1/3 Mexican, 1/3 African American, and 1/3 white. Most guys from all sectors and vectors wear cowboy hats and drive pickup trucks, and enjoy fried chicken. It is not perfect but there is vitality here and folks get along remarkably well.

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:19 am

Trumptonium wrote:
Bakery Hill wrote:Or you can bring up Singapore to prove the opposite.


A country which is explicitly self-described as authoritarian in order to keep all the ethnicities peacefully in line?

Aight, let's implement that in the West. Abolishment of multiparty democracy when?

Oh.

Singapore is not my ideal at all.

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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:25 am

Senegalboy wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is the west forced to be multicultural

The West wasn't forced into being multicultural. It is just nonsense
Many of the immigrants were brought to the west after the Second World War to fill up the labour shortages and allowed people to come.
UK allowed people from the Commonwealth to come whilst France brought people from their former North African and Sub-Saharan Colonies. It was all done by businesses to carry on producing.

High end business brought them in not the people hence its forced and it failed miserable as large swathes of them don't work and live off welfare and the damage they did like terrorism, no go zones and mass rape cases like cologne and Rotherham out did any "good" hiring 3rd world labour did. Although to be fair most of this applies to the new arrivals not the post ww2 ones

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:26 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:The West wasn't forced into being multicultural. It is just nonsense
Many of the immigrants were brought to the west after the Second World War to fill up the labour shortages and allowed people to come.
UK allowed people from the Commonwealth to come whilst France brought people from their former North African and Sub-Saharan Colonies. It was all done by businesses to carry on producing.

High end business brought them in not the people hence its forced and it failed miserable as large swathes of them don't work and live off welfare and the damage they did like terrorism, no go zones and mass rape cases like cologne and Rotherham out did any "good" hiring 3rd world labour did. Although to be fair most of this applies to the new arrivals not the post ww2 ones

Sorry but you can't make claims like that without a valid source

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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:27 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:High end business brought them in not the people hence its forced and it failed miserable as large swathes of them don't work and live off welfare and the damage they did like terrorism, no go zones and mass rape cases like cologne and Rotherham out did any "good" hiring 3rd world labour did. Although to be fair most of this applies to the new arrivals not the post ww2 ones

Sorry but you can't make claims like that without a valid source

So do you deny cologne and Rotherham? Do you deny the ghettos and crime zones? What do you deny?

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Postby San Lumen » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:30 am

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Sorry but you can't make claims like that without a valid source

So do you deny cologne and Rotherham? Do you deny the ghettos and crime zones? What do you deny?


I know the case in Cologne of which you speak. But the rest of your post has no proof.

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Postby Greater Germany » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:31 am

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Depends how different the cultures are. If they have different moral codes, then it can be very dangerous to civil society.

In what way? How does having Muslims in England, Canada or Germany for example dangerous to society?

^This.

Some cultures are incompatible due to differing values. This can render some multiculturalism a bad thing. It's a case by case matter though, and so multiculturalism as a whole can't be listed as a bad thing.
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Postby Ultramarr » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:49 am

It doesn't work because some cultures are better than others and its mainly masses of people from cultural backwards 3rd countries going to small highly cultured 1st world countries then behaving with their backwards culture. For example many migrants from North Africa in Germany would play a game they called "the rape game" and rape women in crowds.
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