Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Dejanic]

I like how the White race mysteriously and conveniently expands to include more and more ethnic groups as the percentage of "Whites" falls world wide. First "White" literally meant Germanic types, then Irish were included, Italians and others, eventually even Slavs were allowed to join the club which helped create a European origin consensus for the "White" race; now it seems like there's actual debate as to whether Arabs, Turks, Persians and other Asiatic/Semitic groups are "White" (even though they don't consider themselves White and aren't European). Next it'll be the Chinese and the Indians, that way the "White race" can be dominant forever whooooooooo.

[Trumptonium]

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1.Oh but you did. You said that these today-diverse countries are not good for a research study because they haven't 'always' been diverse. So when will they become 'always' diverse? How many whites do they need to lose?




2.My what?

Wtf is this even a reply to?

Arabs aren't white. They're Arabs. White =/= Caucasian. Stop using American terminology in a serious discussion.

1. Yeah, you're in the same boat as OeP, you don't understand my argument and I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Stop strawmanning, and go read and actually understand my very clear argument.

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Read the 2nd definition.

Do you prefer the term "not white enough" then?

[Kubumba Tribe]

1. Yeah, you're in the same boat as OeP, you don't understand my argument and I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Stop strawmanning, and go read and actually understand my very clear argument.

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Read the 2nd definition.

Do you prefer the term "not white enough" then?

1: Careful, you'll anger Spencer
2: Says who?

[Trumptonium]

Do you prefer the term "not white enough" then?

1: Careful, you'll anger Spencer

the guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch or defend oneself?

oh no, i better take that back then

2: Says who?

says the person quoted in my post, obviously. he seems to be an expert on who is white and who isn't. maybe he should use one of those carpet / hair dye colour tally sticks

[Oil exporting People]

1. Maybe because they don't actually know how to handle diversity. What is your English comprehension level? I don't know how you can misunderstand my points this badly.

No, it's a matter of you making really bad arguments; either A) Whites are genetically incapable of having diverse nations, because it turns out badly (Thus Diversity is bad) or B) Diversity in of itself is bad.

Either way, diversity is bad.

2. The fact that pretty much every source you provided only focuses on areas that have almost never been racially diverse, and that they aren't good indicators on what happens in countries that have been racially diverse for most of their histories. Of course things like immigration would affect them, they have no idea how to deal with it. I've said this about 3 times now and you seem to have missed this every time, so I'm making it easier to see for you. I don't know how much clearer I can be...

"Even though it's not worked at all so far, we need to keep doing it because it will work somehow I think."

3. And now I have to pay to read that article. Until you get me an article I can actually read, you're argument is null and void.

Quit being lazy; all you had to do on that last link was swivel your eyeballs about two inches, click on an icon that read "PDF" and viola, you get the first page of the study and get to see the abstract (again). Actually, as a matter of fact, you're being really Goddamn lazy because all of those previous links I posted had the abstracts provided, and most even had PDF links to click on to see the studies involved; here's Does Ethnic Diversity Have a Negative Effect on Attitudes towards the Community? A Longitudinal Analysis of the Causal Claims within the Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion Debate

[Bakery Hill]

1. Yeah, you're in the same boat as OeP, you don't understand my argument and I'm starting to sound like a broken record. Stop strawmanning, and go read and actually understand my very clear argument.

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Read the 2nd definition.

Do you prefer the term "not white enough" then?

> when the liberal uses racist theory to argue with the racist

[New haven america]

"Even though it's not worked at all so far, we need to keep doing it because it will work somehow I think."

Got it, you have no fucking clue what you're doing or what my argument is, we're done here.

[Oil exporting People]

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Is Race a social construct or genetic?

[Oil exporting People]

Got it, you have no fucking clue what you're doing or what m argument is, we're done here.

> TFW picks one line; can't even prove it wrong
> Conveniently ignores all the other points, including getting BTFO on the studies

Nice duck and dodge there followed by an obvious rage quit, bud.

[Bakery Hill]

1. Maybe because they don't actually know how to handle diversity. What is your English comprehension level? I don't know how you can misunderstand my points this badly.

No, it's a matter of you making really bad arguments; either A) Whites are genetically incapable of having diverse nations, because it turns out badly (Thus Diversity is bad) or B) Diversity in of itself is bad.

Either way, diversity is bad.

2. The fact that pretty much every source you provided only focuses on areas that have almost never been racially diverse, and that they aren't good indicators on what happens in countries that have been racially diverse for most of their histories. Of course things like immigration would affect them, they have no idea how to deal with it. I've said this about 3 times now and you seem to have missed this every time, so I'm making it easier to see for you. I don't know how much clearer I can be...

"Even though it's not worked at all so far, we need to keep doing it because it will work somehow I think."

3. And now I have to pay to read that article. Until you get me an article I can actually read, you're argument is null and void.

Quit being lazy; all you had to do on that last link was swivel your eyeballs about two inches, click on an icon that read "PDF" and viola, you get the first page of the study and get to see the abstract (again). Actually, as a matter of fact, you're being really Goddamn lazy because all of those previous links I posted had the abstracts provided, and most even had PDF links to click on to see the studies involved; here's Does Ethnic Diversity Have a Negative Effect on Attitudes towards the Community? A Longitudinal Analysis of the Causal Claims within the Ethnic Diversity and Social Cohesion Debate

I think a lot of these studies are more on the money than liberals like to admit, and point to fundamental problems in the way modern multiculturalism functions. But really idea that "ethnic diversity causes a fall in social cohesion" just demonstrates that racism is a problem in the are surveyed, not that racism is an eternal given and that racist policies should be undertaken.

[Kubumba Tribe]

1: Careful, you'll anger Spencer

the guy who doesn't know how to throw a punch or defend oneself?

oh no, i better take that back then

Trying to be comedic here

says the person quoted in my post, obviously. he seems to be an expert on who is white and who isn't. maybe he should use one of those carpet / hair dye colour tally sticks

All I did was ask a question, sheesh.

[Bakery Hill]

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Is Race a social construct or genetic?

NHA this is the massive contradiction in your argument. You can't just run away and claim victory. If you want to argue an anti-racist position you'll have to do better than that, or you'll get it handed to you by the right time and time again.

[Oil exporting People]

I think a lot of these studies are more on the money than liberals like to admit, and point to fundamental problems in the way modern multiculturalism functions. But really idea that "ethnic diversity causes a fall in social cohesion" just demonstrates that racism is a problem in the are surveyed, not that racism is an eternal given and that racist policies should be undertaken.

"No True Scotsmen"; it's not worked X way because Y hasn't been done yet. Also, what causes that racism to appear in the first place? Diversity.

[New haven america]

Got it, you have no fucking clue what you're doing or what m argument is, we're done here.

> TFW picks one line; can't even prove it wrong

I've actually been doing that this entire thread, either you don't seem to understand English or are being willfully ignorant, those are the only conclusions I can come to on how you couldn't understand what I was saying.

I even underlined it for you, and yet you still didn't get it

[New haven america]

Do you prefer the term "not white enough" then?

liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

[Bakery Hill]

I think a lot of these studies are more on the money than liberals like to admit, and point to fundamental problems in the way modern multiculturalism functions. But really idea that "ethnic diversity causes a fall in social cohesion" just demonstrates that racism is a problem in the are surveyed, not that racism is an eternal given and that racist policies should be undertaken.

"No True Scotsmen"; it's not worked X way because Y hasn't been done yet. Also, what causes that racism to appear in the first place? Diversity.

No I feel that's an overly simplistic understanding of what racism is that unduly essentialises it. Racism is rooted in racial identity, which as a social construct has been subject to massive shifts throughout history, right up to today. If racial identity becomes less important in a society than other forms of identity, be it national identity, cultural identity or class identity, racism also becomes less acute. Given where we find ourselves, we must construct a society with a set of values and purpose that makes these identities far more important than race. You might say that this is impractical, but value judgement aside ethnically cleansing a society like yours or mine would be far less practical.

Also if you're trying to employ the No True Scotsman fallacy, you're sort of employing the Fallacy Fallacy. NTS is based in terminology, I've got no attachment to multiculturalism as a term and believe its fundamentally unable to deal with racism.

[Bakery Hill]

liberal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Yes, you're a liberal. I understand you're not good at arguing positions like this and can only embarrass the anti-racist side of this argument, but please avoid spam.

[Oil exporting People]

I've actually been doing that this entire thread, either you don't seem to understand English or are being willfully ignorant, those are the only conclusions I can come to on how you couldn't understand what I was saying.

I even underlined it for you, and yet you still didn't get it

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No, I got exactly what you're saying, the problem is that it's a shitty argument. It's also extremely telling you aren't responding to my other points; time to chalk up another notch on my belt from our debates, or are you going to respond?

[New haven america]

2. Your edit in what I was replying to ("You added "How many white people does Denmark need to lose"), and seeing as how you've spent a decent part of the tread complaining about the Migrant Crisis, I was just reassuring you that Denmark isn't losing any white people, as Arabs are considered white. White in fact does equal Caucasian, anyone who considered White is Caucasian. If you're white, you're Caucasian, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

Is Race a social construct or genetic?

Race is biological and denotes subspecies within an species' popuation, humans have none.

[Oil exporting People]

No I feel that's an overly simplistic understanding of what racism is that unduly essentialises it. Racism is rooted in racial identity, which as a social construct has been subject to massive shifts throughout history, right up to today. If racial identity becomes less important in a society than other forms of identity, be it national identity, cultural identity or class identity, racism also becomes less acute. Given where we find ourselves, we must construct a society with a set of values and purpose that makes these identities far more important than race. You might say that this is impractical, but value judgement aside ethnically cleansing a society like yours or mine would be far less practical.

Also if you're trying to employ the No True Scotsman fallacy, you're sort of employing the Fallacy Fallacy. NTS is based in terminology, I've got no attachment to multiculturalism as a term and believe its fundamentally unable to deal with racism.

But that's exactly the problem; increasing diversity results in higher racial consciousness. The only way one can reduce racism is thus to reduce diversity.

[New haven america]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

Yes, you're a liberal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_n5E7feJHw0

[Kubumba Tribe]

No I feel that's an overly simplistic understanding of what racism is that unduly essentialises it. Racism is rooted in racial identity, which as a social construct has been subject to massive shifts throughout history, right up to today. If racial identity becomes less important in a society than other forms of identity, be it national identity, cultural identity or class identity, racism also becomes less acute. Given where we find ourselves, we must construct a society with a set of values and purpose that makes these identities far more important than race. You might say that this is impractical, but value judgement aside ethnically cleansing a society like yours or mine would be far less practical.

Also if you're trying to employ the No True Scotsman fallacy, you're sort of employing the Fallacy Fallacy. NTS is based in terminology, I've got no attachment to multiculturalism as a term and believe its fundamentally unable to deal with racism.

But that's exactly the problem; increasing diversity results in higher racial consciousness. The only way one can reduce racism is thus to reduce diversity.

As opposed to reducing prejudice and getting people to know each other?

[Bakery Hill]

Is Race a social construct or genetic?

Race is biological and denotes subspecies within an species' popuation, humans have none.

joke: race is biological reality
woke: race is a social construct
broke: race is a biological reality that's not real

[New haven america]

I've actually been doing that this entire thread, either you don't seem to understand English or are being willfully ignorant, those are the only conclusions I can come to on how you couldn't understand what I was saying.

I even underlined it for you, and yet you still didn't get it

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No, I got exactly what you're saying,

:rofl:

Thanks for proving you don't, I'll take this as a win. :3

[Oil exporting People]

Race is biological and denotes subspecies within an species' popuation, humans have none.

Leaving aside how wrong that is, that doesn't answer the question; if Humans do not have subspecies, then there is no biological basis to race because we are all the same thus race is a social construct.