Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Bearhinoland]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

[Liriena]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone. White people are not a precious endangered species.

[Liriena]

um no culture Marxism is communism and was invented in Europe/ Russia, by them.

Uh, no, it's not. Marxism is an economic theory - that is, Communism. It has nothing to do with culture in any capacity.

Actually, Marxism is many things, including an economic theory and a school of thought within social sciences. You have Marxist economists, Marxist sociologists, Marxist anthropologists, Marxist cultural critics, etc.

[Mascouche]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

Of course. But beside some marginal groups, they are not treated like that. Oh well, not in Canada. I can't talk for the other countries.

I am not sure if your statement has something to do with what I said. One thing for sure, asking a religious to not wear an ostentacious symbol during a function of auhority, is NOT vilifying. When you can practice your religions as much as you want, except that, you are not oppressed. When you can get a tax refund from a donation to your religious establisment (churches, mosques, synagogs, etc...) and that organisation is totally tax free, there no oppression of what-so-ever.

[Quency]

Multiculturalism places different peoples against each other, forcing them to compete. There is no way that this can end other than the best adapted culture coming up victorious other the others, generally either via the old culture expelling or subjugating the new, or the new culture driving out or subjugating the old.

In this sense, multiculturalism could be seen as a good thing.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone.

Your skin's like meat-flavored vanilla. It's tasty.

[Mascouche]

I just disagree that a hijab is a violation of secular principles. That's like saying a Sikh's turban or kirpan is a violation of secular principles.

Yes it is and I explained why. So I invite you to tell what part you desagree or do not understand.

By the way, I say it is a violation of secular principle regarding position of authority. Any other kind of public jobs, I am moderate and prefer to not engage in that path at the moment. I also fail to see why an account with a hijab or turban could raise a doubt in the mind of anyone. While regarding the position of authority, it is rather obvious.

Multiculturalism is a failure because it's a half-ass way of welcoming people. Multiculturalism fails because it takes people in who have been pushed from their countries, their homes, and tells them "You can live here, but you will never be one of us." It's arguably more damaging than out and out xenophobia. Luckily, as countries of the New World, Canada and the US are largely free of this problem. While Canada may not have the strong assimilationist ethic that Americans hold as a national value, statistics show that they integrate most immigrants very well.

Most, but those who are a fail, they let them crapt the society. Few years ago, we saw the canadian multiculturalism at its worst. A sikh went up to the Supreme Court and win the right to force a public school to accept the religious knife (Kirpan). It is not the duty of the schools to pay for the security of every one just to allow that kid to come armed at the school. Of course, the judge said that the knife must be into a case and sealed, but it is up to the school to make sure that the kid respect that law. Public funds wasted to allow a religious caprice into a public schools. If you want to create xenophobia and destroy good relations between different ethnic groups, this is exactly how you must do it. You give the religious people the right to do anything. You only get problems, problems, problems. I can give you alot of examples. Like when employees with more serniorities are forced to yield their priviledges to the muslims regarding the working schedule time to accommodate them for their ramadan. When a sikh has the right to wear his turban instead of the construction helmet on a construction site. Fortunately, that law has been revoked. Still, there are many issues like that and they are all a very offensive attitude toward the people. Secularism is meant to avoid those tensions. It's the ciment that can put all those different cultures (or different religious beleifs) altogether. Very important!

There is no way a person will lose its religion just because it has to respect the secularism where required.

Then you are doomed. No wonder why a guy like Trump can get elected. The extreme right wings will have a bright future in your country if you let the situation rotten like that.

It's been this way since the start. A few failures isn't a reason to give up an essential freedom. People believe what they want to believe. A man's mind is sacred, beyond the reach of any worldly power. And I say this as a terrifying big government liberal here in the States.[/quote]
We are not talking about the right to believe what you want. We are talking about the right to practice your religion in absolute circumstances. I have no problem with people free to beleive what they want. I have no problem if they practice as much as they want at home, in churches/mosques/etc... and they can even practice it in public places. Not an issue. The issue is when they practice their religions outside their private bubble and interact with people of another religion or no religion at all. If I am a woman, I want to seperate from my husband and the judge wear an imam suits, there ARE NO WAY I can trust that man. No way!

100% of the time that religions have put their feet into politics and state affairs, it ALWAYS create problems. Religions are meant for spirituality. They do not have a role to play in the functionning of the system.

[Mascouche]

Multiculturalism places different peoples against each other, forcing them to compete. There is no way that this can end other than the best adapted culture coming up victorious other the others, generally either via the old culture expelling or subjugating the new, or the new culture driving out or subjugating the old.

In this sense, multiculturalism could be seen as a good thing.

History has taught us that the winner is the stronger. Not the more just.

Native sovereign nations of the americas have been wiped out because they were military weaker. Not because the whites had a better culture.

[Aliyzaajid State]

It is good when done properly. Putting immigrant populations into low-wage 'ghettos' of sort leaves them impaired, and often leads to ethnic pockets, the opposite of a multicultural society.

[Quency]

Multiculturalism places different peoples against each other, forcing them to compete. There is no way that this can end other than the best adapted culture coming up victorious other the others, generally either via the old culture expelling or subjugating the new, or the new culture driving out or subjugating the old.

In this sense, multiculturalism could be seen as a good thing.

History has taught us that the winner is the stronger. Not the more just.

Native sovereign nations of the americas have been wiped out because they were military weaker. Not because the whites had a better culture.

Those who win are those who are better adapted. Those who are better adapted are more prosperous, stronger, wealthier, more productive. Victory for the strong brings justice for the strong; victory for the weak brings suffering for all.

[Liriena]

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone.

Your skin's like meat-flavored vanilla. It's tasty.

Kinky.

[Liriena]

Well a unstable society is what they- want, it is called CULTURAL MARXISM. The white European male is there main enemy, so they will try to eliminate him via any means/ cultural Marxist ideal.

[citation needed]

As someone who actually read the works of the Frankfurt School, I want to see you try to make an argument for the "cultural marxism" conspiracy theory.

[San Lumen]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Please tell me where whites are being systemically murdered. Do you know the definition of genocide? If whites are having less children so be it. It really gets me annoyed when i hear comments like yours.

[Kekistaaniland]

One argument I hear, which is mainly from Gb and America is how these immigrants take advantage of social welfare and do t work hard. This is utter bs coming fromantic a country that has almost 0 national healthcare and the country in Europe that is the least socialist behind Poland. Living in America I have found that (in at least our country) immigrants work incredibly hard and that he people that dislike the are usually poor people on welfare themselves. I'm not saying this is the case everywhere and in every case, but it is the majority.

[Kekistaaniland]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Please tell me where whites are being systemically murdered. Do you know the definition of genocide? If whites are having less children so be it. It really gets me annoyed when i hear comments like yours.

According to Neo-Na- I mean people who take a small amount of pride in their race, having people other than whites existing is the same as aryans dying.

[Conserative Morality]

Yes it is and I explained why. So I invite you to tell what part you desagree or do not understand.

I disagree with the presumption that openly religious people in positions of authority undermine that authority.

By the way, I say it is a violation of secular principle regarding position of authority. Any other kind of public jobs, I am moderate and prefer to not engage in that path at the moment. I also fail to see why an account with a hijab or turban could raise a doubt in the mind of anyone. While regarding the position of authority, it is rather obvious.

No, it's not obvious.

Most, but those who are a fail, they let them crapt the society. Few years ago, we saw the canadian multiculturalism at its worst. A sikh went up to the Supreme Court and win the right to force a public school to accept the religious knife (Kirpan). It is not the duty of the schools to pay for the security of every one just to allow that kid to come armed at the school. Of course, the judge said that the knife must be into a case and sealed, but it is up to the school to make sure that the kid respect that law. Public funds wasted to allow a religious caprice into a public schools.

Uh, I really don't see the problem. "Kid can bring ceremonial knife to school in a case". Wow. What a stunning display of religious tyranny.

If you want to create xenophobia and destroy good relations between different ethnic groups, this is exactly how you must do it. You give the religious people the right to do anything. You only get problems, problems, problems. I can give you alot of examples. Like when employees with more serniorities are forced to yield their priviledges to the muslims regarding the working schedule time to accommodate them for their ramadan.

Pretty sure that's normal. People with special circumstances get preferential treatment to those without. You have to be working for a really shitty company or have a really shitty boss to end up otherwise.

We are not talking about the right to believe what you want. We are talking about the right to practice your religion in absolute circumstances. I have no problem with people free to beleive what they want. I have no problem if they practice as much as they want at home, in churches/mosques/etc... and they can even practice it in public places. Not an issue. The issue is when they practice their religions outside their private bubble and interact with people of another religion or no religion at all.

The fuck?

If I am a woman, I want to seperate from my husband and the judge wear an imam suits, there ARE NO WAY I can trust that man. No way!

"There's no way I can trust a religious man to perform a divorce whose religion explicitly allows for divorce!"

???

And if you don't trust your public servants, that's a problem with you. Not their religious attire.

[The East Marches II]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone. White people are not a precious endangered species.

Can't tell if meme or not.

[Genivaria]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Please tell me where whites are being systemically murdered. Do you know the definition of genocide? If whites are having less children so be it. It really gets me annoyed when i hear comments like yours.

Really it's like listening to some idiot complain about how he's now a slave because he has to pay taxes.

[San Lumen]

So no more white genocide in European majority countries, - and please more White European Babies please.

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone. White people are not a precious endangered species.

Some apparently believe they will be and say things like diversity is code for anti white and other crazy stuff. If some groups are having more children then others so be it. That's not something the government should be concerned with.

[Maratha India]

Well it's good if it means including people from all races colours and creeds. But then I guess that begs the question why do we need it if everyone is equal and doesnt hold any kind of advantage whether your a Middle Eastern a doctor or a white doctor. In short If everyone has the right as anyone else in the country what's the point in being Multicultural?

The only time I would consider it bad would be if Multiculturalism means adopting every single culture and neglecting the country whose hosting Multiculturalism in the first place.

[San Lumen]

Well it's good if it means including people from all races colours and creeds. But then I guess that begs the question why do we need it if everyone is equal and doesnt hold any kind of advantage whether your a Middle Eastern a doctor or a white doctor. In short If everyone has the right as anyone else in the country what's the point in being Multicultural?

The only time I would consider it bad would be if Multiculturalism means adopting every single culture and neglecting the country whose hosting Multiculturalism in the first place.

Im not sure I'm following you.

[The Transylvanian States]

Well it's good if it means including people from all races colours and creeds. But then I guess that begs the question why do we need it if everyone is equal and doesnt hold any kind of advantage whether your a Middle Eastern a doctor or a white doctor. In short If everyone has the right as anyone else in the country what's the point in being Multicultural?

The only time I would consider it bad would be if Multiculturalism means adopting every single culture and neglecting the country whose hosting Multiculturalism in the first place.

I see your point, if anything it teaches us something we already know that no matter who you are, you are worth the same as everyone else. So why does an all white work force in Birmingham get encouraged to hire more diverse workers? l I suppose Multiculturalism only benefits people who believe in it haha

[Genivaria]

Diversity? No.
Multiculturalism? Depends on your definition apparently.

[San Lumen]

Diversity? No.
Multiculturalism? Depends on your definition apparently.

Why is diversity not a good thing and why does the other depend on your definition?

[Illiberalism]

Oh boy...

Also, as a white person, I'd appreciate if you stopped fetishizing my skin tone. White people are not a precious endangered species.

Some apparently believe they will be and say things like diversity is code for anti white and other crazy stuff. If some groups are having more children then others so be it. That's not something the government should be concerned with.

The government should definitely be concerned with the growth of its population. In my eyes, the government should ideally implement policies to encourage the growth of the native ethnic group and limit the growth of foreign ethnic groups until racial/cultural homogeneity is achieved.