Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Genivaria]

Uh, no, it's not. Marxism is an economic theory - that is, Communism. It has nothing to do with culture in any capacity.

are you trying to make a joke? what about it is economic theory?

Never read anything about communism ever I see.

[Torrocca]

Uh, no, it's not. Marxism is an economic theory - that is, Communism. It has nothing to do with culture in any capacity.

are you trying to make a joke? what about it is economic theory?

Have you even read about Communism, per chance?

Destruction of economic classes and economic equality are, like, the big damn things about it.

[Bearhinoland]

are you trying to make a joke? what about it is economic theory?

Have you even read about Communism, per chance?

Destruction of economic classes and economic equality are, like, the big damn things about it.

And Cultural Marxism is the rule book to follow here in the new worlds- like America for example. They can't do what they did in Russia the same exact way -so they follow the Frankfurt schools Cultural Marxist Ideals to do the same, but in more of a digital, remote non hands on way. Which is effecting economic classes.

[Mascouche]

And I swear that if I am a judge and I have to judge the case of my brother suing his neighbor, I can do a job just fine as well. Yet...

As long as you don't play favorites, you'd be fine in a case like that.

But the justice will never allow me. That is how justice works. They don't take the chance. Conflict of interests. It does not matter if I am 100% honest and fair. Being placed in a position that I am in an apparent conflit of interests is dammageable for the confidence.

It's the very same thing with the religion present on a person in a situation of authority. If you cannot be secular while your are doing that job, it means you may apply the values of your religion when in conflict with the values you are supposed to defend by your functions. Wether you do fine or not is irrelevent for the same reasons.

[Mascouche]

There are plenty of Muslim police officers in my city and no one cares that that woman wear a hijab or men have a beard. Why should it matter? If you meet the requirements to become a cop there shouldnt be stipulations on it.

I explained it. So I am asking you, what part you do not agree... or do not understand?

[Mascouche]

Things vary between cities. For yours, it'll be fine, but it could be viewed as wrong and even insulting in others.

How in the world could a hijab be insulting or viewed as wrong?

It has been created by islamic people, I hope you know the difference between a muslim and an islamic? You are aware that there are violent extremists that we also call fundamentalist.

Those fundamentalist forced the hijab, or burqa, or niqab, depending on their extreme level, over the women in many countries and they still do. The goal with that symbol is to destroy the confidence of the woman and make her more vulnerable to the will of the men. The women become so bashful that they cannot remove the hijab, they would be too shy. It would be the same feeling of walking topless in the street for any western woman. It's a submission to the domination. A severe offense to equality of sex.

Some women pretend that they do not wear it for that reason and they are not indoctrinated to that. I say great! Then it won't be a problem for you to remove it while you do that job. If she can't, it means she is lying to herself and there is no way I will accept that she is playing a role of authority. No way! The rule must be the same for every one, all religions.

If a muslim woman call the police because her husband is beating her and a police woman with a hijab arrives on site, that will not make the victim feel safer.

Islamaphobia is wrong and if allowing a police officer to wear a hijab in place like Toronto or New York which has people from many different religions causes someone to lash out and attack police they have serious issues. But the location should not matter.

It's not islamophobia. It's the respect of seperation of religion and state. It's very important to maintain the confidence in a system when the citizens are coming from different religions.

[Mascouche]

It really is sometimes, tbh.

Certain branches of Islam like the Salafis and Wahabis should be crushed whenever and wherever possible.

Gonna run afoul of the 1st Amendment there, buddy.

Why? That 1st amendment protects fundamentalists? You tell me, I am Canadian and I am not aware of the details of your constitution.

[Mascouche]

I urge you to go look at some of the numbers on Muslims who support making Sharia the law of the land.

Ever seen the numbers for Christians saying that law should be based on the Bible?

Same thing.

Two wrongs do not make a right.

[Conserative Morality]

Why? That 1st amendment protects fundamentalists? You tell me, I am Canadian and I am not aware of the details of your constitution.

Yep, sure does. That's been recognized since the first days of the republic.

[Conserative Morality]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Never said they did. Pointing out that Muslims are not exceptional in this regard - a good portion of the religious in general generally want their religious views enshrined in law.

[Faeshire]

It's easy to moralize over people for being "racist" or "x-phobic" when you're not the one afraid of getting raped or mugged in the neighbourhood you grew up in that used to be peaceful before people who have no loyalty to your community or connection to the land came here. I suppose this kind of multiculturalism could work if we implemented the same kind of punishments such people were to expect in their home countries. Of course - the people promoting "multiculturalism" usually don't have to care because they usually live in quite monocultural upper middle class areas. This is a form of violence against the western working class that they hate so much.

People of the same ethnicity or related ones prefer to keep with each other. Yeah - there are individual exceptions and that's okay - "racial purity" is B. S. and "multiculturalism" is equally B. S. In fact, there is no "multiculturalism" here in the west - there's voluntary segregation everywhere. What we see in Europe today s crazy with fake "refugees" who've gone through several countries where there's no war or opression to come to the welfare of northern Europe and live in hotels and castles at the expense of the least among us. It's such a perverse and twisted symptom of an unnatural post-marxist ideology that really hates the west and views things like "multiculturalism" as their holy dogma necessary to lead us to "salvation" by "equality" without any castes, peoples, families, religions or sexes.

Oh and Islam is horrible and destroyed some of the greatest civilizations on earth. Some of these people are of course capable of more than we see today as we saw in the ancient Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Carthaginians etc. There's some kind of values and culture keeping them from raising above where they are now. It's very doubtful whenever a virtual legal system that isn't compatible with liberal democracy should really be considered a religion at all. My guess is, had it been founded today, it'd probably be considered fascist here in the west.

[Mascouche]

Two wrongs do not make a right.

Never said they did. Pointing out that Muslims are not exceptional in this regard - a good portion of the religious in general generally want their religious views enshrined in law.

For sure. As soon as a religious organization becomes political, it instantly becomes a problem. The place of the religion is people's spirituality. Never, ever the religion should put their feet into the state or politic. I see how much the christians are close to the government in the USA and I think it is an issue for you guys.

Islam is not better or worst than any other religions. I do not have problems with the muslims, I have many muslim friends. Most of them agree with me. The people are free to choose the religion they want, practice it as they want, but there is a minimum that every one must comply. When is the time to occupy a function of authority, secularism is the only way to make sure every one can have confidence in you. It's not a problem for muslims. Even in muslims countries you can find such rules.

However, the extremists or very indoctrinated people, helped by the pro-multiculturalists are trying to breech that and this is how you poison a situation over time.

[Mascouche]

Why? That 1st amendment protects fundamentalists? You tell me, I am Canadian and I am not aware of the details of your constitution.

Yep, sure does. That's been recognized since the first days of the republic.

Then you are doomed. No wonder why a guy like Trump can get elected. The extreme right wings will have a bright future in your country if you let the situation rotten like that.

[Mascouche]

Oh and Islam is horrible and destroyed some of the greatest civilizations on earth.

So did the christians.

When the whole Europe entered into the dark ages after the fall of Rome, all scientific discoveries were burnt and scattered in smoke. Fortunatly, the islam nations kept that and even make it progress. They were the lighthouse of the scientific knowledge and we deserve them a great recognition.

You really need to make the difference between the extremist and the normal people of a religion. Islam is no different than Christian.

Some of these people are of course capable of more than we see today as we saw in the ancient Egyptians, Persians, Babylonians, Carthaginians etc. There's some kind of values and culture keeping them from raising above where they are now.

Yeah, like a foreign country that financially and military support dictators that will serve their interests in return. Ironically, it always turns out against them eventually. But they keep doing the same mistake over and over. Some lessons are difficult to assimilate.

[Saint Gloria]

When an Immigrant comes legally and fully embraces the country's values, laws and culture, that's a good thing. When an immigrant comes illegally and keeps his own culture and values, that person will most likely be stuck in ghetto, have limited interactability with the rest of society, and have diminished job opportunities, which will amplify divisions within the Society of the country he arrived in. If you want an example heres one http ://nypost.com/2016/03/22/muslim-ghettos-in-europe-are-hotbeds-for-terror/ if you don't want to read the whole thing, at least read the second last paragaph.

[Minoa]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

[Torrocca]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

Oh, but Minoa, it's too hard to treat other human beings like other human beings! Creating artificial differences to push an "us vs them" type narrative to create an enemy for "us" is FAR easier and more popular!

[Aellex]

When the whole Europe entered into the dark ages after the fall of Rome, all scientific discoveries were burnt and scattered in smoke. Fortunatly, the islam nations kept that and even make it progress. They were the lighthouse of the scientific knowledge and we deserve them a great recognition.

This is utter bullshit. Leaving aside the fact that the "dark ages" never actually existed, it's almost unanimously accepted that the period of relative economic and cultural stagnation in Europe (and I say relative because there was no less than two Renaissances during it) you're referring to was caused not by the fall of Rome but by the Islamic conquests that cut Europe from the Eastern Trade and closed to commerce the Mediterranean sea.
This lead to gold constantly being sucked away from Europe with obvious consequences for the economy (a good indicator of that "fleet of gold" being the fact that the Barbarians Kingdoms had stopped almost entirely minting gold coins by the 8th/9th century, with only Byzantines coins being still in circulation at that time, and silver ones starting to replace them).
Apart from the consequences for the economies, this also lead to consequences for the very fabric of society. As gold became rarer and rarer, rulers had to pay their men with lands rather than with currency, causing the clusterfuck that was Feudalism and the Era of the Territorial Princes that went from the late 9th century to the early 12th one (an era during which Europe probably was the closest in its whole existence to actual anarchism).
It's only after the Croisades that reopened partially the trade with the East that Europe at last got a breath of air but it wasn't before the discovery of the Americas and the countless gold mines there that the economic (and also cultural) stagnation could be broken and Europe really thrives again.

In the mean time, the Islamic World did little apart from rehashing some old classics. They were no lighthouse, especially not of scientific knowledge and will they did help preserve some of the old romans texts, most had been already by the Church and by the Greeks so that argument is rather moot too.

[Aellex]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

I doubt it's even one of the minor one, honestly. The main reason is probably just simply that in Islam, dying in a Djihad while slaughtering infidels is the only way one can be sure to get into paradise. It quite obviously seems like a rather sweet deal to a lot of muslims.

[Conserative Morality]

For sure. As soon as a religious organization becomes political, it instantly becomes a problem. The place of the religion is people's spirituality. Never, ever the religion should put their feet into the state or politic. I see how much the christians are close to the government in the USA and I think it is an issue for you guys.

Islam is not better or worst than any other religions. I do not have problems with the muslims, I have many muslim friends. Most of them agree with me. The people are free to choose the religion they want, practice it as they want, but there is a minimum that every one must comply. When is the time to occupy a function of authority, secularism is the only way to make sure every one can have confidence in you. It's not a problem for muslims. Even in muslims countries you can find such rules.

However, the extremists or very indoctrinated people, helped by the pro-multiculturalists are trying to breech that and this is how you poison a situation over time.

Oh, it is a problem.

I just disagree that a hijab is a violation of secular principles. That's like saying a Sikh's turban or kirpan is a violation of secular principles.

Multiculturalism is a failure because it's a half-ass way of welcoming people. Multiculturalism fails because it takes people in who have been pushed from their countries, their homes, and tells them "You can live here, but you will never be one of us." It's arguably more damaging than out and out xenophobia. Luckily, as countries of the New World, Canada and the US are largely free of this problem. While Canada may not have the strong assimilationist ethic that Americans hold as a national value, statistics show that they integrate most immigrants very well.

Then you are doomed. No wonder why a guy like Trump can get elected. The extreme right wings will have a bright future in your country if you let the situation rotten like that.

It's been this way since the start. A few failures isn't a reason to give up an essential freedom. People believe what they want to believe. A man's mind is sacred, beyond the reach of any worldly power. And I say this as a terrifying big government liberal here in the States.

[Conserative Morality]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

ISIS was sustained by foreign fighters because they had become radicalized at home by feelings of isolation from their country. Stereotypes are harmful to assimilation, but they alone rarely isolate people from the wider society. It's a much more serious failure on the part of many European states which only some are now trying to correct (with some success - I applaud Finland and Sweden for taking more serious steps in integration over the poison that is multiculturalism).

[Minoa]

People of any ethnicity will definitely turn to radicalism if we keep vilifying them like that. One of the reasons ISIL sustained for a while was because some countries were rounding all refugees into one unreliable stereotype.

As soon as we start treating them as how we like to be treated, they will have no reason to turn radical.

I am just so sick and tired of this ‘us vs. them’ thing, given that activism is out of my bounds.

ISIS was sustained by foreign fighters because they had become radicalized at home by feelings of isolation from their country. Stereotypes are harmful to assimilation, but they alone rarely isolate people from the wider society. It's a much more serious failure on the part of many European states which only some are now trying to correct (with some success - I applaud Finland and Sweden for taking more serious steps in integration over the poison that is multiculturalism).

I am not opposed to integration - I am more opposed to the fact that countries reject people just because of their ethnicity or religion, even if they do want to adopt the liberal culture. Maybe I have a hard time finding the right words to describe welcoming refugees that want to escape the oppression and be part of the adopted society along with us.

Then again, I've fallen in love with Norway's justice system of not assuming that people who committed a crime have no hope, unlike the US. This is what makes me so careful not to make brash assumptions.

[Conserative Morality]

I am not opposed to integration - I am more opposed to the fact that countries reject people just because of their ethnicity or religion, even if they do want to adopt the liberal culture. Maybe I have a hard time finding the right words to describe welcoming refugees that want to escape the oppression and be part of the adopted society along with us.

Then again, I've fallen in love with Norway's justice system of not assuming that people who committed a crime have no hope, unlike the US. This is what makes me so careful not to make brash assumptions.

Don't get me wrong - I'm 100% on the pro-immigration/pro-refugee side. I'm saying the fault largely lays with the home countries. Europeans have spent too long in their ancient blood feuds; they have largely failed to develop effective assimilative cultural norms, and now they have to make up for lost time (this is not unique to Europeans, but it is largely absent from the New World for the simple fact that we're almost all the descendants of vagrants and exiles).

Culture doesn't change overnight. But some European countries are making a damn good try at it. I look forward to the day when their assimilative culture is fully developed and they no longer have problems with integration.

[The Snazzylands]

Uh, no, it's not. Marxism is an economic theory - that is, Communism. It has nothing to do with culture in any capacity.

are you trying to make a joke? what about it is economic theory?

[Minoa]

I am not opposed to integration - I am more opposed to the fact that countries reject people just because of their ethnicity or religion, even if they do want to adopt the liberal culture. Maybe I have a hard time finding the right words to describe welcoming refugees that want to escape the oppression and be part of the adopted society along with us.

Then again, I've fallen in love with Norway's justice system of not assuming that people who committed a crime have no hope, unlike the US. This is what makes me so careful not to make brash assumptions.

Don't get me wrong - I'm 100% on the pro-immigration/pro-refugee side. I'm saying the fault largely lays with the home countries. Europeans have spent too long in their ancient blood feuds; they have largely failed to develop effective assimilative cultural norms, and now they have to make up for lost time (this is not unique to Europeans, but it is largely absent from the New World for the simple fact that we're almost all the descendants of vagrants and exiles).

Culture doesn't change overnight. But some European countries are making a damn good try at it. I look forward to the day when their assimilative culture is fully developed and they no longer have problems with integration.

Sometimes I do wish it changed for the better in a year or less. Getting really sick and tired of the shocking increase in hate crimes reports.