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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:13 pm

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New haven america wrote:Obviously you don't, cause you keep bringing it up like it doesn't exist there.

Also, no it's not.

But even with crime down, surely it’s still safer to live in the quiet countryside than it is in the city? It turns out that’s not true. According to a new study (PDF) published today in the Annals of Emergency Medicine, large cities in the U.S. are significantly safer than rural areas. The risk of injury death — which counts both violent crime and accidents

Now it’s true that the risk of homicide is greater in big cities than it is in the countryside. But the study, which analyzed 1,295,919 deaths from injury between 1999 and 2006, found the rate of dying from an unintentional injury is over 15 times higher than that of homicide for the population as a whole.

(Even there most urban areas have an advantage, though — you’re likely to be much closer to the nearest hospital in a dense city than the spread-out countryside, and minutes matter when it comes to trauma.)


I mean, when it comes to my prescribed addictions Rx and access to a hospital, I'd rather be in an urban area than in a rural one. And I'm a big stickler for health, so urban's for me :p
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:13 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:I don't think I have ever locked my door, come to think of it, nor, for that matter, do I have a lock on my fence doors.

We don't even need to lock the doors of our cars, and we keep them parked outside.

Used to not lock car doors, until we got a car with one of those little autolock buttons on the key. It just becomes habit after a while.
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But even with crime down, surely it’s still safer to live in the quiet countryside than it is in the city? It turns out that’s not true. According to a new study (PDF) published today in the Annals of Emergency Medicine, large cities in the U.S. are significantly safer than rural areas. The risk of injury death — which counts both violent crime and accidents

Now it’s true that the risk of homicide is greater in big cities than it is in the countryside. But the study, which analyzed 1,295,919 deaths from injury between 1999 and 2006, found the rate of dying from an unintentional injury is over 15 times higher than that of homicide for the population as a whole.

(Even there most urban areas have an advantage, though — you’re likely to be much closer to the nearest hospital in a dense city than the spread-out countryside, and minutes matter when it comes to trauma.)

In cities a good portion of the homicides aren't random passersby or feuds between individuals. Unless you plan on joining a gang, you're much safer in a city than in the country.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:14 pm

The East Marches II wrote:That's horrifying. How do you not melt?

Moved outta that place, thankfully. Now we have a good, sturdy door that's more likely to get stuck than swing open.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:15 pm

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I don't think it's the firearms that are a deterrent in this case, really.

What is? Please share


Could be a tight-knit culture?

I mean, if you know everyone in a small town, and everyone knows you, you may not be able to accuse anyone of stealing your shit immediately, but you have an accurate idea of who it might be.

Stealing from someone is just not as worth it if you know there's a high chance of you getting caught anyways.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:18 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:What is? Please share


Could be a tight-knit culture?

I mean, if you know everyone in a small town, and everyone knows you, you may not be able to accuse anyone of stealing your shit immediately, but you have an accurate idea of who it might be.

Stealing from someone is just not as worth it if you know there's a high chance of you getting caught anyways.


It is definately partly that.

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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:18 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:



I mean, when it comes to my prescribed addictions Rx and access to a hospital, I'd rather be in an urban area than in a rural one. And I'm a big stickler for health, so urban's for me :p


Urban air ain't healthy for ya. Or general proximity to millions of people who could all be carrying any number of diseases.

In the country, so long as you just lived near a hospital and took care of yourself you would be just fine.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:21 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:Urban air ain't healthy for ya. Or general proximity to millions of people who could all be carrying any number of diseases.

In the country, so long as you just lived near a hospital and took care of yourself you would be just fine.

If everyone in the country lived near a hospital, they'd be living in a city.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:22 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, when it comes to my prescribed addictions Rx and access to a hospital, I'd rather be in an urban area than in a rural one. And I'm a big stickler for health, so urban's for me :p


Urban air ain't healthy for ya. Or general proximity to millions of people who could all be carrying any number of diseases.

In the country, so long as you just lived near a hospital and took care of yourself you would be just fine.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:23 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, when it comes to my prescribed addictions Rx and access to a hospital, I'd rather be in an urban area than in a rural one. And I'm a big stickler for health, so urban's for me :p


Urban air ain't healthy for ya. Or general proximity to millions of people who could all be carrying any number of diseases.

In the country, so long as you just lived near a hospital and took care of yourself you would be just fine.


You would need near proximity to a hospital, within 5-15 minutes, when it comes to trauma.

I don't know of too many rural areas in, say, Texas that have hospitals that close.

Also, there's the occasional off disease like cancer or whatever that's just not treatable at a country hospital because they don't have the resources for a good department specialized in your disease. So it really depends on the kind of diseases you're talking about when it comes to hospitals and accessibility.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:23 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:What is? Please share


Could be a tight-knit culture?

I mean, if you know everyone in a small town, and everyone knows you, you may not be able to accuse anyone of stealing your shit immediately, but you have an accurate idea of who it might be.

Stealing from someone is just not as worth it if you know there's a high chance of you getting caught anyways.

Another reason why I love rural areas
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:27 pm

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New haven america wrote:There's almost nothing to do unless you have a car, public transportation either doesn't exist or is unbearable slow, unless your willing to do hard labor (Farm work, factories, etc...) or minimum wage there are almost no job opportunities, and the list goes on...

I've lived in both rural and urban areas, so I know about the good and bad parts of both areas (This is why I prefer smaller cities (100,000-500,000 pop.), they tend to be nicer overall).

That is true as well, there's not much of a variety of jobs in rural areas, but it still beats living in a small apartment for $300 a week

I live in a semi to fully rural area and pay $600 to stay in a shitty apartment complex (They do exist in rural areas, btw). Actually, when I lived in the city, I lived in a 2 story carriage house (Who's living room is almost as big as my current place) and only paid $150.

Hence, you can't make that argument.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:28 pm

New haven america wrote:
The Portland Territory wrote:That is true as well, there's not much of a variety of jobs in rural areas, but it still beats living in a small apartment for $300 a week

I live in a rural area and pay $600 to stay in a shitty apartment complex (They do exist in rural areas, btw). Actually, when I lived in the city, I lived in a 2 story carriage house (Who's living room is almost as big as my current place) and only paid $150.

Hence, you can't make that argument.

Holy fuck where did you live?
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:31 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
New haven america wrote:I live in a rural area and pay $600 to stay in a shitty apartment complex (They do exist in rural areas, btw). Actually, when I lived in the city, I lived in a 2 story carriage house (Who's living room is almost as big as my current place) and only paid $150.

Hence, you can't make that argument.

Holy fuck where did you live?

Colorado Springs.

If you do a bit of looking you can find very nice places out there for very little, one of the only good parts about Colorado (And I don't have many nice things to say about that place).
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:37 pm

New haven america wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Holy fuck where did you live?

Colorado Springs.

If you do a bit of looking you can find very nice places out there for very little, one of the only good parts about Colorado (And I don't have many nice things to say about that place).


Actually, I have been looking at Colorado Springs for the long-term since they're trying to bring in IT Security into their economy, so it's definitely earmarked as a possible place to move out from Texas, depending how the economy down there does.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:41 pm

New haven america wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Urban air ain't healthy for ya. Or general proximity to millions of people who could all be carrying any number of diseases.

In the country, so long as you just lived near a hospital and took care of yourself you would be just fine.

Something that does not exist.


You've never lived in the country have ya?
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:44 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
New haven america wrote:Colorado Springs.

If you do a bit of looking you can find very nice places out there for very little, one of the only good parts about Colorado (And I don't have many nice things to say about that place).


Actually, I have been looking at Colorado Springs for the long-term since they're trying to bring in IT Security into their economy, so it's definitely earmarked as a possible place to move out from Texas, depending how the economy down there does.

Keep in mind that the place isn't very... nice. The general population tends to be much less considerate, thoughtful, or willing to help as they are in other states (And I've been across most of the Western US, so I can confirm that). There are nice people there, but they're the minority.

But still, housing prices are decent, and there's a pretty decent number of jobs there (Something I can't really say about my current area, which is why I'm planning on moving).
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:46 pm

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New haven america wrote:Something that does not exist.


You've never lived in the country have ya?

I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:47 pm

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You've never lived in the country have ya?

I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.


You most definently can live near a hospital ( near being 15 minutes away ). Outside most towns there is significant countryside where plenty of people live.
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Postby The East Marches II » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:51 pm

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Republic of the Cristo wrote:
You've never lived in the country have ya?

I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.


How many minutes drive?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:51 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
New haven america wrote:I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.


You most definently can live near a hospital ( near being 15 minutes away ). Outside most towns there is significant countryside where plenty of people live.


I mean, 15 minutes is not bad for trauma, keeping in mind they have ambulances that can reach you in 5-7 driving fast.

Over here where I am I have a hospital 5 minutes away from me, and Parkland being the county hospital but is 15-20 minutes away, along with a trauma clinic about 2 minutes away driving.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:53 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
New haven america wrote:I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.


You most definently can live near a hospital ( near being 15 minutes away ). Outside most towns there is significant countryside where plenty of people live.


That's kinda what I wanna do nowadays, tbh. I'd love to get a house with some land where I could grow my own food and build thousands of machine guns away from everything :p
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Postby Republic of the Cristo » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:55 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Republic of the Cristo wrote:
You most definently can live near a hospital ( near being 15 minutes away ). Outside most towns there is significant countryside where plenty of people live.


I mean, 15 minutes is not bad for trauma, keeping in mind they have ambulances that can reach you in 5-7 driving fast.

Over here where I am I have a hospital 5 minutes away from me, and Parkland being the county hospital but is 15-20 minutes away, along with a trauma clinic about 2 minutes away driving.


If we wanna go worst case scenario here, countryside is infinitely more safe than cities:

Nuclear war, zombies, viruses, antifa - cities are gonna get hit infinitely harder by all of this than countrysides will.
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Postby Genivaria » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:57 pm

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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, 15 minutes is not bad for trauma, keeping in mind they have ambulances that can reach you in 5-7 driving fast.

Over here where I am I have a hospital 5 minutes away from me, and Parkland being the county hospital but is 15-20 minutes away, along with a trauma clinic about 2 minutes away driving.


If we wanna go worst case scenario here, countryside is infinitely more safe than cities:

Nuclear war, zombies, viruses, antifa - cities are gonna get hit infinitely harder by all of this than countrysides will.

Countryside is also harder to organize a proper defense.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:57 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
New haven america wrote:I have.

Living in my current area, there are no hospitals or even clinics here, you have to go to the next town over to get that kind of stuff.


How many minutes drive?

20-40 minutes, depending on traffic.

It should only be about 10 minutes, but traffic on the freeway comes to a complete standstill multiple times a day, and the backroads are too dangerous to speed through. It could be worse I admit, but it's not as good as it is in most urban areas.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Jul 09, 2017 2:59 pm

Republic of the Cristo wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
I mean, 15 minutes is not bad for trauma, keeping in mind they have ambulances that can reach you in 5-7 driving fast.

Over here where I am I have a hospital 5 minutes away from me, and Parkland being the county hospital but is 15-20 minutes away, along with a trauma clinic about 2 minutes away driving.


If we wanna go worst case scenario here, countryside is infinitely more safe than cities:

Nuclear war, zombies, viruses, antifa - cities are gonna get hit infinitely harder by all of this than countrysides will.


What does that have anything to do with, say, having your leg mangled with a circular saw by accident and needing ASAP attendance in a hospital?

It's not even the worst case scenario, it's something that realistically happens and you only have minutes for an ambulance to get to you before you bleed to death.

Also, you do realize that zombies or even antifa are not even a realistic threat at this point in time, right? Nuclear war? Pft. We're all going to die someday. As for viruses, sure, but also with better hospitals and treatment the chances of containing an epidemic rise.
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