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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:33 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I'm completely aware on the situation in Tibet. It's just that your statements have made less and less sense as this conversation goes on and you begin to trip over your backpedaling and hypocrisy. Honestly, I'm done with this conversation, at this point, because to continue it would just be cruel. It'd amount to bullying.

"Bullying" who? What hypocrisy?

Because we can see right through your smokescreen, Iyanden.
You have a favoritist thinking when it comes to cultural preservation, you're not actually a supporter of it.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:33 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:The Uk isn't the same as Brazil or the USA different case all together

So whose culture do you defend in countries like the ones i mentioned?

They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

"sob stories"
Fleeing a civil war is a sob story to you?
What makes you think that Tibet isn't a 'sob story'
This post is just inhuman. Not calling you inhuman, Iyanden, but your post is.

So the LGBT people facing prosecution in the Middle East, Africa and Russia are sob stories too?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So whose culture do you defend in countries like the ones i mentioned?

They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation

And Spanish.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:34 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Iyanden wrote:"Bullying" who? What hypocrisy?

Because we can see right through your smokescreen, Iyanden.
You have a favoritist thinking when it comes to cultural preservation, you're not actually a supporter of it.

I say if we all should keep are "hands" to your selves but on a international scale with nations

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I ask again whose culture is being defended now in countries like Brazil, United Kingdom, Canada or the United States. they are all multiethnic diverse countries. Whose culture do you defend in a place like London, Toronto, Sao Paulo, Los Angeles?

The Uk isn't the same as Brazil or the USA different case all together

He's asking a question. Should we be preserving Native cultures in the US and Brazil and expelling people of Old World descent because it isn't their land, or did they win it through warfare?

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I'm completely aware on the situation in Tibet. It's just that your statements have made less and less sense as this conversation goes on and you begin to trip over your backpedaling and hypocrisy. Honestly, I'm done with this conversation, at this point, because to continue it would just be cruel. It'd amount to bullying.

"Bullying" who? What hypocrisy?

You: "it's their land if they live on it for a while"
You: "it's their land if they win the war for it"
Us: "not all of your positions are compatible with both of these, pick one"
You: "no"

That would be the hypocrisy. :^)
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:"sob stories"
Fleeing a civil war is a sob story to you?
What makes you think that Tibet isn't a 'sob story'
This post is just inhuman. Not calling you inhuman, Iyanden, but your post is.

So the LGBT people facing prosecution in the Middle East, Africa and Russia are sob stories too?

Don't forget, slavery in Libya is a sob story too, same as the famine and epidemic in Al-Yamaan, the wars in Suriyya wal-'Airaq, etc.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation

And Spanish.

That's Mexico and a huge swathe of South America like Chile

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:35 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Iyanden, could you answer this?

I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

Please. Stop. Misusing. That. Word.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:36 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So whose culture do you defend in countries like the ones i mentioned?

They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

strong english foundation? maybe in the beginning it did but not now. The US grows less and less white every year. Canada too. Does that mean we should only focus on English culture and what exactly is English culture?

Brazil is a multi ethnic country and likely has little in common with Portugal other than language and some cuisine at this point.
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:36 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

Please. Stop. Misusing. That. Word.

They are the Serbian general was convicted of genocide for killing 7000 people Tibet its 1,200,000 people killed by the communist Chinese

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:36 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Because we can see right through your smokescreen, Iyanden.
You have a favoritist thinking when it comes to cultural preservation, you're not actually a supporter of it.

I say if we all should keep are "hands" to your selves but on a international scale with nations

So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So whose culture do you defend in countries like the ones i mentioned?

They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.
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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

strong english foundation? maybe in the beginning it did but now. The US grows less and less white every year. Canada too. Does that mean we should only focus on English culture and what exactly is English culture?

Brazil is a multi ethnic country and likely has little in common with Portugal other than language and some cuisine at this point.


Yes, they really should only focus on that. Really the only recently successful countries were English speaking tbh. Language forms psychology, we don't want people with the wrong understanding of time among other things.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:37 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:And Spanish.

That's Mexico and a huge swathe of South America like Chile

This goes for the Southwestern US.
Since you claim that you support cultural preservation, should Hispanic-Americans in the Southwest US preserve their culture or assimilate?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:37 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:"sob stories"
Fleeing a civil war is a sob story to you?
What makes you think that Tibet isn't a 'sob story'
This post is just inhuman. Not calling you inhuman, Iyanden, but your post is.

So the LGBT people facing prosecution in the Middle East, Africa and Russia are sob stories too?

Russia isn't "persecuting" them anymore and that might be a reason you wouldn't want to bring in the cultures that got them persecuted in the first place in the middle east and Africa

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:38 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I say if we all should keep are "hands" to your selves but on a international scale with nations

So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))

Iyanden wrote:They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.

The Chinese must also keep their hand to themselves but they arent

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So the LGBT people facing prosecution in the Middle East, Africa and Russia are sob stories too?

Russia isn't "persecuting" them anymore

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russ ... SKBN1DL2FM
Iyanden wrote:and that might be a reason you wouldn't want to bring in the cultures that got them persecuted in the first place in the middle east and Africa

What do you mean?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:strong english foundation? maybe in the beginning it did but now. The US grows less and less white every year. Canada too. Does that mean we should only focus on English culture and what exactly is English culture?

Brazil is a multi ethnic country and likely has little in common with Portugal other than language and some cuisine at this point.


Yes, they really should only focus on that. Really the only recently successful countries were English speaking tbh. Language forms psychology, we don't want people with the wrong understanding of time among other things.

So China, Germany and Japan aren't successful?

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I say if we all should keep are "hands" to your selves but on a international scale with nations

So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))

Iyanden wrote:They are unique cases although the USA has a strong English foundation and Brazil a Portuguese one

But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.

Your being autistic about my point that cultures have a right to preserve themselves then you bring up stuff from centuries ago. Any country today can preserve its culture if it wishes

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Yes, they really should only focus on that. Really the only recently successful countries were English speaking tbh. Language forms psychology, we don't want people with the wrong understanding of time among other things.

So China, Germany and Japan aren't successful?


Nah, they are trash tier.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))


But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.

The Chinese must also keep their hand to themselves but they arent

You said "with nations", not regions.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:39 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:And Spanish.

That's Mexico and a huge swathe of South America like Chile

Mexico spoke Nahuatl long before it spoke Spanish, the Spanish just won some wars. Should we return Mesoamerica to the Mayans and the Aztecs and company?

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So the LGBT people facing prosecution in the Middle East, Africa and Russia are sob stories too?

Russia isn't "persecuting" them anymore and that might be a reason you wouldn't want to bring in the cultures that got them persecuted in the first place in the middle east and Africa

>brings in people who are victims of persecution
>"they're bringing a culture of persecution with them"

:thonk:

As for Russia not persecuting us, I laughed.

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:strong english foundation? maybe in the beginning it did but now. The US grows less and less white every year. Canada too. Does that mean we should only focus on English culture and what exactly is English culture?

Brazil is a multi ethnic country and likely has little in common with Portugal other than language and some cuisine at this point.


Yes, they really should only focus on that. Really the only recently successful countries were English speaking tbh. Language forms psychology, we don't want people with the wrong understanding of time among other things.

Yeah yeah whatever that's a separate argument we're just trying to get him to admit what a damn hypocrite he's being atm tho
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:40 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So China, Germany and Japan aren't successful?


Nah, they are trash tier.

They are doing very well and Japan doesn't let 3rd world mass immigration in and is still Japanese across the whole country

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Postby The East Marches II » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:40 pm

Senkaku wrote:Yeah yeah whatever that's a separate argument we're just trying to get him to admit what a damn hypocrite he's being atm tho


My bad, whoops.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:41 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))


But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.

Your being autistic about my point that cultures have a right to preserve themselves then you bring up stuff from centuries ago. Any country today can preserve its culture if it wishes

Well, Tibet isn't a country today, friendo, so looks like they go bye-bye.

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:So then the rest of us should keep our hands to ourselves and let the Chinese do as they wish. :^))))))))))))))))))))))


But those only occurred because the English and Portuguese won wars against the natives. If winning a war doesn't make the land yours (as it apparently doesn't in Tibet with China), then the English and Portuguese never owned land in the Americas, and the Spanish don't own most of Iberia.

The Chinese must also keep their hand to themselves but they arent

Sure they are. They haven't meaningfully bothered the Indians in years, they're staying quite well on their side of the Himalayas.
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