Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Tibet only became indepedent against the crumbling Qing Empire which itself collapsed into civil war.
Tibet is as much China as Manchuria.

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

This is probably the most accurate description of Iyanden's mindset that I've found. Thank you.

[Iyanden]

Tibet only became indepedent against the crumbling Qing Empire which itself collapsed into civil war.
Tibet is as much China as Manchuria.

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

[Kubumba Tribe]

Except Catalonia?

They lost didn't they. I don't see Catalonia fighting a war of independence against Spain when the whole population didn't even want it seems

I mean, except for the 42 percent turout of people that did support independence, idk how much of the 42% actually voted 'yes'.

[Senkaku]

That's true, they have lived here way longer than we have, even though we won the wars against them (which were also "relatively recent").

Seems like you're gonna have to pick a definition there, Iyanden, and no wishy-washy "it's recent" dodges. :^)

None of this is in living memory like Tibet which still faces genocide.

Again- Tibet's independence from the Qing Empire is also in living memory.

And I'm fairly certain some wars against natives in South America fall in living memory, and certainly wars in the US fall quite close to your little "muh living memory" cop-out.

What's so special about living memory that it lets you compromise the definitions you've given thus far? :^)

[Iyanden]

They lost didn't they. I don't see Catalonia fighting a war of independence against Spain when the whole population didn't even want it seems

I mean, except for the 42 percent turout of people that did support independence, idk how much of the 42% actually voted 'yes'.

The other 58 percent don't want independence.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

What? XD Are you just meming at this point?

[Iyanden]

None of this is in living memory like Tibet which still faces genocide.

Again- Tibet's independence from the Qing Empire is also in living memory.

And I'm fairly certain some wars against natives in South America fall in living memory, and certainly wars in the US fall quite close to your little "muh living memory" cop-out.

What's so special about living memory that it lets you compromise the definitions you've given thus far? :^)

Tibet was invaded by the communist Chinese in the 50s. They were Qing vassal like Korea was not Chinese

[Senkaku]

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

They come from countries that may be facing invasions or genocides, so not necessarily.

And once again- Tibet was part of the Qing Empire before breaking away, and was then reconquered by the Communists. In living memory. So y'all need to pick a definition.

Or should we return Tibet to the Qing? After all, their collapse was driven significantly by hostile outside powers, and Tibet fell under British influence, so wasn't this all just a conspiracy to rob the Manchu emperors of their birthright? :^)

[Kubumba Tribe]

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

And the immigrants from MENA are facing similar atrocities.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Iyanden, could you answer this?

None of this is in living memory like Tibet which still faces genocide.

But they did "lose wars", right? And according to you, when someone loses a war, it's "too bad for them"
Since this is the case for Tibet, why do you support them so much?

[Iyanden]

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

What? XD Are you just meming at this point?

No its a fact https://www.freetibet.org/about

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

And the immigrants from MENA are facing similar atrocities.

I mean, who cares, amirite? They aren't being oppressed by the Chinese and they're not European white, so why does it matter?

[Genivaria]

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

Okay the Chinese government isn't exactly soft on the separatist protesters but GENOCIDE?
Please don't misuse that word, it has been diluted enough thanks.

[Senkaku]

Again- Tibet's independence from the Qing Empire is also in living memory.

And I'm fairly certain some wars against natives in South America fall in living memory, and certainly wars in the US fall quite close to your little "muh living memory" cop-out.

What's so special about living memory that it lets you compromise the definitions you've given thus far? :^)

Tibet was invaded by the communist Chinese in the 50s.

Yes, I know, you keep saying that. What's so special about it being in the 1950s as opposed to the 1850s or the 1450s? Why does it let you compromise the definitions you've given for other conflicts?

They were Qing vassal like Korea was not Chinese

Wrong, actually.

You'll note Korea is out and Tibet is in. :^)

[Kubumba Tribe]

What? XD Are you just meming at this point?

No its a fact https://www.freetibet.org/about

I think UIC was talking about how you're trying to differentiate between the Tibet and refugee situations.

[San Lumen]

Again- Tibet's independence from the Qing Empire is also in living memory.

And I'm fairly certain some wars against natives in South America fall in living memory, and certainly wars in the US fall quite close to your little "muh living memory" cop-out.

What's so special about living memory that it lets you compromise the definitions you've given thus far? :^)

Tibet was invaded by the communist Chinese in the 50s. They were Qing vassal like Korea was not Chinese

I ask again whose culture is being defended now in countries like Brazil, United Kingdom, Canada or the United States. they are all multiethnic diverse countries. Whose culture do you defend in a place like London, Toronto, Sao Paulo, Los Angeles?

[Iyanden]

Iyanden, could you answer this?

But they did "lose wars", right? And according to you, when someone loses a war, it's "too bad for them"
Since this is the case for Tibet, why do you support them so much?

I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

What? XD Are you just meming at this point?

No its a fact https://www.freetibet.org/about

I'm completely aware on the situation in Tibet. It's just that your statements have made less and less sense as this conversation goes on and you begin to trip over your backpedaling and hypocrisy. Honestly, I'm done with this conversation, at this point, because to continue it would just be cruel. It'd amount to bullying.

[The East Marches II]

The Tibetans are invaded by the communist Chinese and face a genocide the immigrants from the 3rd world choose to come to the west not the same thing

Okay the Chinese government isn't exactly soft on the separatist protesters but GENOCIDE?
Please don't misuse that word, it has been diluted enough thanks.

Its the Han method actually. How do you think China has historically done these sorts of things? Its why the Uyghurs are having a freak out. Its very clever, thats why other countries like to use it.

[Iyanden]

Tibet was invaded by the communist Chinese in the 50s. They were Qing vassal like Korea was not Chinese

I ask again whose culture is being defended now in countries like Brazil, United Kingdom, Canada or the United States. they are all multiethnic diverse countries. Whose culture do you defend in a place like London, Toronto, Sao Paulo, Los Angeles?

The Uk isn't the same as Brazil or the USA different case all together

[Kubumba Tribe]

Iyanden, could you answer this?

I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

"sob stories"
Fleeing a civil war is a sob story to you?
What makes you think that Tibet isn't a 'sob story'
This post is just inhuman. Not calling you inhuman, Iyanden, but your post is.

[Iyanden]

No its a fact https://www.freetibet.org/about

I'm completely aware on the situation in Tibet. It's just that your statements have made less and less sense as this conversation goes on and you begin to trip over your backpedaling and hypocrisy. Honestly, I'm done with this conversation, at this point, because to continue it would just be cruel. It'd amount to bullying.

"Bullying" who? What hypocrisy?

[Senkaku]

What? XD Are you just meming at this point?

No its a fact https://www.freetibet.org/about

Why does it matter? They lost their war. Chinese government can do what it wants on its land. :^)

Iyanden, could you answer this?

I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical.

Nope, pretty sure the conquest of Tibet by the PRC occurred in the past and is historical.

But at least you admit you're only making an exception because you love Tibet/hate China. :^))))

The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

And many immigrants from MENA are facing civil war, famine, mass violence, rape, crime, et cetera.

[San Lumen]

I ask again whose culture is being defended now in countries like Brazil, United Kingdom, Canada or the United States. they are all multiethnic diverse countries. Whose culture do you defend in a place like London, Toronto, Sao Paulo, Los Angeles?

The Uk isn't the same as Brazil or the USA different case all together

So whose culture do you defend in countries like the ones i mentioned?

[Iyanden]

I love their culture and its disgusting what the communist Chinese are doing and this is going on NOW not something historical. The media feeds us lies and sob stories about illegal immigrants from the 3rd world but are silent against the Tibetans facing pretty much a genocide.

"sob stories"
Fleeing a civil war is a sob story to you?
What makes you think that Tibet isn't a 'sob story'
This post is just inhuman. Not calling you inhuman, Iyanden, but your post is.

Like I said most of these people aren't fleeing the Syrian war hence sob story