Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Iyanden]

The Tibetans aren't Chinese

Neither are the Catalan Spanish.

Are you sure about that

[Iyanden]

yes

Yes what?

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

[Genivaria]

So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.

Careful, say "ideology" three times and Parkus will instantly manifest in the thread

We should make a drinking game.
Anytime Parkus randomly interjects liberalism, Nietzsche, or Whigs into a conversation take a shot.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Neither are the Catalan Spanish.

Are you sure about that

Why are the Catalans considered Spanish but the Tibetans aren't Chinese?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Neither are the Catalan Spanish.

Are you sure about that

Yes
Are you sure the Tibetans aren't Chinese?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Yes what?

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

Then why did you say that Spain owned a part of Morroco earlier?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Careful, say "ideology" three times and Parkus will instantly manifest in the thread

We should make a drinking game.
Anytime Parkus randomly interjects liberalism, Nietzsche, or Whigs into a conversation take a shot.

I always feel so left out. I'm just gonna play with ginger ale.

[Iyanden]

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

Then why did you say that Spain owned a part of Morroco earlier?

I got my words wrong

[San Lumen]

Yes what?

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I can't tell if Iyanden is seriously ignorant of his hypocrisy or if he is just messing with us.

Either way, I just feel sorry for him at this point.

[Senkaku]

We should make a drinking game.
Anytime Parkus randomly interjects liberalism, Nietzsche, or Whigs into a conversation take a shot.

I always feel so left out. I'm just gonna play with ginger ale.

Can't the imam give you a special dispensation or something, I'm sure God will understand

Yes what?

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

And Tibet is owned by China, and thus a part of China. :^)

[The East Marches II]

They lost and they invaded Europe the Spanish won so they have the right to keep it

I mean, the Spanish today are descended from the Vandals and Visigoths and all that (as well as lots of Arab blood, since nearly all of Spain was once under Muslim control), who took it from the Romans, so the Spanish are invaders too. For a few hundred years it was the Christian Spanish who were losing, not the North African-descended Muslim ones.

Should we return Spain to Italy, as the successor state of Rome, because they ruled it before the Vandals?

We are the true successors to Rome, it should be returned to us.

[Genivaria]

Are you sure about that

Why are the Catalans considered Spanish but the Tibetans aren't Chinese?

Tibet only became indepedent against the crumbling Qing Empire which itself collapsed into civil war.
Tibet is as much China as Manchuria.

[Senkaku]

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

That's true, they have lived here way longer than we have, even though we won the wars against them (which were also "relatively recent").

Seems like you're gonna have to pick a definition there, Iyanden, and no wishy-washy "it's recent" dodges. :^)

[Iyanden]

That the land owned by Spain is a part of Spain.

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

The UK is not the same as Brazil or Canada they were colonise made by immigration the UK isn't for over a 1000 years and the natives in the Americas mostly failed to defend their land and culture they lost better make sure its not us was my point every culture has a right to defence better not lose

[Genivaria]

We should make a drinking game.
Anytime Parkus randomly interjects liberalism, Nietzsche, or Whigs into a conversation take a shot.

I always feel so left out. I'm just gonna play with ginger ale.

I'd suggest using coffee instead but I'd rather not have someone die of a heart attack mid game.

[Iyanden]

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

That's true, they have lived here way longer than we have, even though we won the wars against them (which were also "relatively recent").

Seems like you're gonna have to pick a definition there, Iyanden, and no wishy-washy "it's recent" dodges. :^)

None of this is in living memory like Tibet which still faces genocide.

[Kubumba Tribe]

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

The UK is not the same as Brazil or Canada they were colonise made by immigration the UK isn't for over a 1000 years and the natives in the Americas mostly failed to defend their land and culture they lost better make sure its not us was my point every culture has a right to defence better not lose

Except Catalonia?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Can't the imam give you a special dispensation or something, I'm sure God will understand

I'm gonna stick with ginger ale. Alcohol is nasty anyways. I drank some white wine by accident one time. Horrible stuff.

[Senkaku]

Why are the Catalans considered Spanish but the Tibetans aren't Chinese?

Tibet only became indepedent against the crumbling Qing Empire which itself collapsed into civil war.
Tibet is as much China as Manchuria.

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

[San Lumen]

You still haven't answered my question. What is the native culture of say Canada, Brazil, United Kingdom or the US all countries founded by immigrants. Shouldn't we have been preserving the culture of the native peoples?

The UK is not the same as Brazil or Canada they were colonise made by immigration the UK isn't for over a 1000 years and the natives in the Americas mostly failed to defend their land and culture they lost better make sure its not us was my point every culture has a right to defence better not lose

So then whose culture is being defended now in countries like those? they are all multiethnic diverse countries. Whose culture do you defend in a place like London, Toronto, Sao Paulo, Los Angeles?

[Iyanden]

The UK is not the same as Brazil or Canada they were colonise made by immigration the UK isn't for over a 1000 years and the natives in the Americas mostly failed to defend their land and culture they lost better make sure its not us was my point every culture has a right to defence better not lose

Except Catalonia?

They lost didn't they. I don't see Catalonia fighting a war of independence against Spain when the whole population didn't even want it seems

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's true, they have lived here way longer than we have, even though we won the wars against them (which were also "relatively recent").

Seems like you're gonna have to pick a definition there, Iyanden, and no wishy-washy "it's recent" dodges. :^)

None of this is in living memory like Tibet which still faces genocide.

But they did "lose wars", right? And according to you, when someone loses a war, it's "too bad for them"
Since this is the case for Tibet, why do you support them so much?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I always feel so left out. I'm just gonna play with ginger ale.

I'd suggest using coffee instead but I'd rather not have someone die of a heart attack mid game.

I can drink some pretty heavy amounts of coffee. I'll just dilute it with decaf or something.

[Genivaria]

Tibet only became indepedent against the crumbling Qing Empire which itself collapsed into civil war.
Tibet is as much China as Manchuria.

No, you don't understand, if Iyanden dislikes a country, then its minorities aren't part of it and can do their own thing, but if he likes it, then they need to sit down and shut the fuck up and integrate (along with any immigrants).

My attitude is that you proclaim this region and culture to be separate from a nation simply because you dislike the nation's government then you risk creating strife beyond ideology.