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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Iyanden wrote:But they lost and couldn't take it back so its a part of Spain

I mean, Spain can't even hold onto Catalonia properly nowadays. Is that a Muslim Reconquista I hear?

Reconquista 2: Moroccan Boogaloo?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Iyanden wrote:But they lost and couldn't take it back so its a part of Spain

I mean, Spain can't even hold onto Catalonia properly nowadays. Is that a Muslim Reconquista I hear?

No lie, on a Muslim forum site that I'm on, someone said we should give da'wah to Catalonia so they could be a part of the Ummah :lol2:
Not saying it's a bad thing, but it's still funny
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:11 pm

Senkaku wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I mean, Spain can't even hold onto Catalonia properly nowadays. Is that a Muslim Reconquista I hear?

Reconquista 2: Moroccan Boogaloo?

Stop. My heart can't take this much excitement.
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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:12 pm

As for Tibet, Iyanden, you gotta pick one- do you have to live there for a long time (in which case Spain goes to the Arabs), or do you have to win your wars (in which case Tibet goes to the Chinese)? :^)
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:12 pm

Senkaku wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I mean, Spain can't even hold onto Catalonia properly nowadays. Is that a Muslim Reconquista I hear?

Reconquista 2: Moroccan Boogaloo?

They will likely lose and I am sure Spain owns a small chunk of Morroco

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:12 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I mean, Spain can't even hold onto Catalonia properly nowadays. Is that a Muslim Reconquista I hear?

No lie, on a Muslim forum site that I'm on, someone said we should give da'wah to Catalonia so they could be a part of the Ummah :lol2:
Not saying it's a bad thing, but it's still funny

One of the people I've converted was half Catalan. We could do it.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:12 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:North Africans ruled Al-Andalus too.
Also, so if immigrants from MENA 'won' Britain, you'd be ok with it?

I will fight to take it back if they invaded and conquered like the ancient or medieval era. I will fight for my country like many of my ancestors did if that happens

But if you lose, you'd be ok with living under MENA culture?
And who are you fighting? Immigrants are coming to Britain, not an invading army of MENA people. So who are you fighting against?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:13 pm

Senkaku wrote:As for Tibet, Iyanden, you gotta pick one- do you have to live there for a long time (in which case Spain goes to the Arabs), or do you have to win your wars (in which case Tibet goes to the Chinese)? :^)

The Tibet case is extremely recent and going on now unlike the Arabs and Spanish and their wars

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:13 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Reconquista 2: Moroccan Boogaloo?

They will likely lose and I am sure Spain owns a small chunk of Morroco

2 cities, my matie.
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They will likely lose and I am sure Spain owns a small chunk of Morroco

2 cities, my matie.

Yes while Morocco owns no part of Spain and the Moroccans themselves don't seem to want war over it

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:Reconquista 2: Moroccan Boogaloo?

They will likely lose and I am sure Spain owns a small chunk of Morroco

Actually, Spain owns Spain.
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Kubumba Tribe wrote:No lie, on a Muslim forum site that I'm on, someone said we should give da'wah to Catalonia so they could be a part of the Ummah :lol2:
Not saying it's a bad thing, but it's still funny

One of the people I've converted was half Catalan. We could do it.

BET! :rofl:
Let's do it boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:2 cities, my matie.

Yes while Morocco owns no part of Spain and the Moroccans themselves don't seem to want war over it

Spain does not own a small part of Morroco. That piece of African land is a part of Spain, not Morroco.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:14 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They will likely lose and I am sure Spain owns a small chunk of Morroco

Actually, Spain owns Spain.
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:One of the people I've converted was half Catalan. We could do it.

BET! :rofl:
Let's do it boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

Catalan is a part of Spain viva la Spain

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Senkaku wrote:As for Tibet, Iyanden, you gotta pick one- do you have to live there for a long time (in which case Spain goes to the Arabs), or do you have to win your wars (in which case Tibet goes to the Chinese)? :^)

The Tibet case is extremely recent and going on now unlike the Arabs and Spanish and their wars

So, you don't have an answer and are just cherrypicking here and there and using different metrics to determine what belongs to who, based on who you dislike.

If you're gonna be inconsistent, at least be up front about it, man! :^)
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Actually, Spain owns Spain.

BET! :rofl:
Let's do it boiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

Catalan is a part of Spain viva la Spain

But I thought you supported cultural preservation.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:2 cities, my matie.

Yes while Morocco owns no part of Spain and the Moroccans themselves don't seem to want war over it

You don't know what the Moroccans want, mane. Just wait for a proper Caliphate.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:15 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They lost and they invaded Europe the Spanish won so they have the right to keep it

I mean, the Spanish today are descended from the Vandals and Visigoths and all that (as well as lots of Arab blood, since nearly all of Spain was once under Muslim control), who took it from the Romans, so the Spanish are invaders too. For a few hundred years it was the Christian Spanish who were losing, not the North African-descended Muslim ones.

Should we return Spain to Italy, as the successor state of Rome, because they ruled it before the Vandals?

Iyanden wrote:They were given a referendum while Tibetans had 99 percent of their temples killed and around 1.2 million people murdered, all their resources taken and many of them are murdered or tortured for protesting or even just expressing their culture by the evil communist regime from China. The Scots aren't facing anything remotely genocidal

Tibet has been essentially under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty, really, save for a brief break in the late 1800s and early 1900s when it was under British influence. And besides, you said earlier the Arabs don't get to come back to Spain, since they lost- and the Tibetans lost to the Chinese, so why should we sympathize? :^))))

So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:16 pm

Senkaku wrote:
Iyanden wrote:The Tibet case is extremely recent and going on now unlike the Arabs and Spanish and their wars

So, you don't have an answer and are just cherrypicking here and there and using different metrics to determine what belongs to who, based on who you dislike.

If you're gonna be inconsistent, at least be up front about it, man! :^)

He's done it with the Celts and Anglo-Saxons, MENA people and Spanish, Tibet and China, now Catalonia and Spain.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, the Spanish today are descended from the Vandals and Visigoths and all that (as well as lots of Arab blood, since nearly all of Spain was once under Muslim control), who took it from the Romans, so the Spanish are invaders too. For a few hundred years it was the Christian Spanish who were losing, not the North African-descended Muslim ones.

Should we return Spain to Italy, as the successor state of Rome, because they ruled it before the Vandals?


Tibet has been essentially under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty, really, save for a brief break in the late 1800s and early 1900s when it was under British influence. And besides, you said earlier the Arabs don't get to come back to Spain, since they lost- and the Tibetans lost to the Chinese, so why should we sympathize? :^))))

So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.

Careful, say "ideology" three times and Parkus will instantly manifest in the thread
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:16 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Senkaku wrote:I mean, the Spanish today are descended from the Vandals and Visigoths and all that (as well as lots of Arab blood, since nearly all of Spain was once under Muslim control), who took it from the Romans, so the Spanish are invaders too. For a few hundred years it was the Christian Spanish who were losing, not the North African-descended Muslim ones.

Should we return Spain to Italy, as the successor state of Rome, because they ruled it before the Vandals?


Tibet has been essentially under Chinese control since the Qing Dynasty, really, save for a brief break in the late 1800s and early 1900s when it was under British influence. And besides, you said earlier the Arabs don't get to come back to Spain, since they lost- and the Tibetans lost to the Chinese, so why should we sympathize? :^))))

So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.

The Tibetans aren't Chinese

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Iyanden, I don't think you actually support cultural preservation, you just really like certain cultural groups.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Senkaku » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.

The Tibetans aren't Chinese

Well they lost their wars, so sounds according to you like they have no choice in the matter :^)
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Yes while Morocco owns no part of Spain and the Moroccans themselves don't seem to want war over it

Spain does not own a small part of Morroco. That piece of African land is a part of Spain, not Morroco.

yes

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:17 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Genivaria wrote:So Tibet is Chinese they just don't like the Chinese government.
Which means the issue isn't actually about nationality but of ideology.

The Tibetans aren't Chinese

Neither are the Catalan Spanish.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 2:18 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Spain does not own a small part of Morroco. That piece of African land is a part of Spain, not Morroco.

yes

Yes what?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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