Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Iyanden]

The united states is not the same as the nations of Europe for example England which isn't remotely based off immigration like the USA and has much less space and a different history

>England not based off of immigration
>Angles
>Saxons
>Celts
>Normans

None of this is recent history is it? The Celts lost England and the Angles and Saxons built England

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

My brother was born in the UK. They then moved to the US when he was 2. Is he not properly cultured as an American?

I don't know your brother so how would I know?

You just said only 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants can be properly part of that culture, no?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

>England not based off of immigration
>Angles
>Saxons
>Celts
>Normans

None of this is recent history is it? The Celts lost England and the Angles and Saxons built England

You never said anything about recent history, my dear.

[San Lumen]

So someone in United Kingdom whose Black or Asian is not one of their people? The white majority should be only ones who matter?

The 2nd and 3rd generations ones are and white people like say the Polish can be techniquely foreign too

Oh so a first generation immigration who is a citizen is not a Briton, American or German?

[Iyanden]

I don't know your brother so how would I know?

You just said only 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants can be properly part of that culture, no?

I said the 2nd and 3rd gen ones are the citizens because legally its people born there or had a parent from there in the case of the UK most of the time

[Proctopeo]

So, because historically immigrants weren't highly skilled and highly educated, we shouldn't have skills and educations as standards for immigration?
Also, refugees (actual refugees) are an exception.

No they should not be. The new mayor of Helena came to the US from Liberia with almost nothing and little skills is now the first black mayor in Montana history. He served in the Navy Reserve and worked for the state government in Health and Human Services. But we should have denied him entry because he wasn't highly skilled or educated.

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

[San Lumen]

No they should not be. The new mayor of Helena came to the US from Liberia with almost nothing and little skills is now the first black mayor in Montana history. He served in the Navy Reserve and worked for the state government in Health and Human Services. But we should have denied him entry because he wasn't highly skilled or educated.

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

saying someone with no skills will be a lazy bum is absurd. I just gave you an example of someone with little skills who made something of himself.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

You just said only 2nd and 3rd generation immigrants can be properly part of that culture, no?

I said the 2nd and 3rd gen ones are the citizens because legally its people born there or had a parent from there in the case of the UK most of the time

Oh? Well, the British government's web-page says nothing about that, fortunately.

[Iyanden]

None of this is recent history is it? The Celts lost England and the Angles and Saxons built England

You never said anything about recent history, my dear.

If the English held onto the land for over a 1000 years its there's its not recent or relevant to todays discussion

[Proctopeo]

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

saying someone with no skills will be a lazy bum is absurd. I just gave you an example of someone with little skills who made something of himself.

It was somewhat ambiguous, but I never said that someone without skills will always be a lazy bum. If someone's personality and work ethic means they're unlikely to improve or put much effort into things, then they're quite likely to be a lazy bum. If they're unskilled but willing to work and to improve, then they probably won't be a lazy bum.

[Iyanden]

I said the 2nd and 3rd gen ones are the citizens because legally its people born there or had a parent from there in the case of the UK most of the time

Oh? Well, the British government's web-page says nothing about that, fortunately.

I am pretty sure you get the passport and everything if your born here or have a parent from their like in my case and people can also get it for certain acheivements

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

You never said anything about recent history, my dear.

If the English held onto the land for over a 1000 years its there's its not recent or relevant to todays discussion

It is relevant. England is built on immigration, contrary to what you asserted.

[Kubumba Tribe]

That doesn't justify letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean

No one is letting them drown apart from criminal gangs and people smugglers and these people irresponsibly putting their family on those rubber boats

"Yeah, why don't they just get more money?" /s

when they don't need to

"Yeah, stay in a war zone you sand niggers!" /s

just so they can live in a 1st world welfare state not to mention people encouraging them to do this like criminal NGOs and far left governments such as Sweden and Germany in the EU.

"Yeah, how dare they show compassion to other humans!" /s

They not refugees if they aren't going to the nearest safe country and there are plenty of countries at peace near Syria and there are the government held areas there too.

"Yeah, at least you have bread and not a piece of bread. Be greatful!" /s

Most of these so called refugees aren't even Syrian and are economic migrants

"Yeah, they should just go from poverty to poverty! That always works out in the end!" /s

Yes. And they're doing so by moving to other countries.

But the countries they are moving to must defend their people and culture first. I say the rest of the world must all fix their own problems although we can help a bit with things like foreign aid

Culture always changes, this has been said already

>England not based off of immigration
>Angles
>Saxons
>Celts
>Normans

None of this is recent history is it? The Celts lost England and the Angles and Saxons built England

Wait a minute, I thought you supported maintaining one's culture?

No they should not be. The new mayor of Helena came to the US from Liberia with almost nothing and little skills is now the first black mayor in Montana history. He served in the Navy Reserve and worked for the state government in Health and Human Services. But we should have denied him entry because he wasn't highly skilled or educated.

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

This is what I think:
Someone with a track record of a violent crime in the last >insert time period here< shouldn't be allowed in.
And that's it.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Oh? Well, the British government's web-page says nothing about that, fortunately.

I am pretty sure you get the passport and everything if your born here or have a parent from their like in my case and people can also get it for certain acheivements

Do you even know the point you are trying to make anymore? Because I sure as hell don't. You're jumping around more than a flea on a dog's ass.

[Iyanden]

If the English held onto the land for over a 1000 years its there's its not recent or relevant to todays discussion

It is relevant. England is built on immigration, contrary to what you asserted.

Yes from the same culture that made the country and they emigrated over a 1000 years ago. They didn't have the modern model of mass immigration they conquered and made their country

[Proctopeo]

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

This is what I think:
Someone with a track record of a violent crime in the last >insert time period here< shouldn't be allowed in.
And that's it.

A good place to start.

[Kubumba Tribe]

It is relevant. England is built on immigration, contrary to what you asserted.

Yes from the same culture that made the country and they emigrated over a 1000 years ago. They didn't have the modern model of mass immigration they conquered and made their country

Celts, Angles and Saxons are different cultures.
Also, you support maintaining one's culture, but now you aren't. What's up with that?

[Iyanden]

No one is letting them drown apart from criminal gangs and people smugglers and these people irresponsibly putting their family on those rubber boats

"Yeah, why don't they just get more money?" /s

when they don't need to

"Yeah, stay in a war zone you sand niggers!" /s

just so they can live in a 1st world welfare state not to mention people encouraging them to do this like criminal NGOs and far left governments such as Sweden and Germany in the EU.

"Yeah, how dare they show compassion to other humans!" /s

They not refugees if they aren't going to the nearest safe country and there are plenty of countries at peace near Syria and there are the government held areas there too.

"Yeah, at least you have bread and not a piece of bread. Be greatful!" /s

Most of these so called refugees aren't even Syrian and are economic migrants

"Yeah, they should just go from poverty to poverty! That always works out in the end!" /s

But the countries they are moving to must defend their people and culture first. I say the rest of the world must all fix their own problems although we can help a bit with things like foreign aid

Culture always changes, this has been said already

None of this is recent history is it? The Celts lost England and the Angles and Saxons built England

Wait a minute, I thought you supported maintaining one's culture?

What degree of standards should we have then?
Note that I also think work ethic should be considered - someone with barely any skills but a drive to learn and be useful should still be let in. Someone with no skills who's likely just going to be a lazy bum shouldn't; we have enough of them domestically.

This is what I think:
Someone with a track record of a violent crime in the last >insert time period here< shouldn't be allowed in.
And that's it.

I do support maintain ones culture and the Celts were unable to in most of England because they lost however they didn't in Scotland, Wales and Ireland

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

It is relevant. England is built on immigration, contrary to what you asserted.

Yes from the same culture that made the country and they emigrated over a 1000 years ago. They didn't have the modern model of mass immigration they conquered and made their country

The Normans, in France, had the same culture as the Anglo-Saxons? Really?

[Kubumba Tribe]

"Yeah, why don't they just get more money?" /s

"Yeah, stay in a war zone you sand niggers!" /s

"Yeah, how dare they show compassion to other humans!" /s

"Yeah, at least you have bread and not a piece of bread. Be greatful!" /s

"Yeah, they should just go from poverty to poverty! That always works out in the end!" /s

Culture always changes, this has been said already

Wait a minute, I thought you supported maintaining one's culture?

This is what I think:
Someone with a track record of a violent crime in the last >insert time period here< shouldn't be allowed in.
And that's it.

I do support maintain ones culture and the Celts were unable to in most of England because they lost however they didn't in Scotland, Wales and Ireland

So do you think the Celts should reclaim their culture or assimilate into Anglo-Saxon culture?

[Iyanden]

Yes from the same culture that made the country and they emigrated over a 1000 years ago. They didn't have the modern model of mass immigration they conquered and made their country

The Normans, in France, had the same culture as the Anglo-Saxons? Really?

They were invaders and they attacked during a war with the Vikings and atleast the joke went on them when Normandy became a part of England and England invaded France with it

[Iyanden]

Yes from the same culture that made the country and they emigrated over a 1000 years ago. They didn't have the modern model of mass immigration they conquered and made their country

Celts, Angles and Saxons are different cultures.
Also, you support maintaining one's culture, but now you aren't. What's up with that?

The Celts lost their culture in England they lost end of story but they kept their culture in Scotland and Wales.

[San Lumen]

"Yeah, why don't they just get more money?" /s

"Yeah, stay in a war zone you sand niggers!" /s

"Yeah, how dare they show compassion to other humans!" /s

"Yeah, at least you have bread and not a piece of bread. Be greatful!" /s

"Yeah, they should just go from poverty to poverty! That always works out in the end!" /s

Culture always changes, this has been said already

Wait a minute, I thought you supported maintaining one's culture?

This is what I think:
Someone with a track record of a violent crime in the last >insert time period here< shouldn't be allowed in.
And that's it.

I do support maintain ones culture and the Celts were unable to in most of England because they lost however they didn't in Scotland, Wales and Ireland

What culture are you maintaining that of whites? The United States and Canada and many in South America where founded on immigration.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

The Normans, in France, had the same culture as the Anglo-Saxons? Really?

They were invaders and they attacked during a war with the Vikings and atleast the joke went on them when Normandy became a part of England and England invaded France with it

Iyanden, spell "incoherent tangent".

[Iyanden]

I do support maintain ones culture and the Celts were unable to in most of England because they lost however they didn't in Scotland, Wales and Ireland

So do you think the Celts should reclaim their culture or assimilate into Anglo-Saxon culture?

Its been over 1000 years so your beating a dead horse. Many of them did indeed assimilate to Anglo Saxon culture or move to places like Scotland. They lost the war and they didn't build England as a country and entity and it didn't exist when England was still full of Celtic tribes but rather Scotland and Wales