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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:41 am

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Is that the ancestry of modern white British people?

No, that would be France. England was, after all, our first colony. :^)

We'll soon be sending the unemployed tea-drinkers your way, then. :P
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:50 am

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Iyanden wrote:So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Ok, and there's also a lot of unemployed Brits that were born in Britain also, what are you gonna do about them?

They are citizens and that is an internal issue no need to make it worse by letting more unemployed people in

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:51 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Liriena wrote:Send them back to... uh... Saxony?

Is that the ancestry of modern white British people?

You could throw a dart at a map of Europe and hit somewhere that fits into the ancestry of the modern Brit.

Edit: Shit, even if you miss the board you'll probably still hit somewhere that'll fit.
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Postby Aellex » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:59 am

Liriena wrote:We'll soon be sending the unemployed tea-drinkers your way, then. :P

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:00 pm

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Tyrannistate wrote:Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.

[citations needed] for all of your post.

You never give citations and bang on about non existent cases of racism that you imagined. Anyone to the right of Mao Zedong is a racist to you since they are your bogey men
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Postby War Gears » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:08 pm

Iyanden wrote:You never give citations


Oh sweet irony.
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Iyanden wrote:You never give citations


Oh sweet irony.

I do but they just moan about it and Rotherham and Cologne and Sweden is on the news because they have serious rape problems due to "diversity and cultural enrichment" and that was my point
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 pm

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Liriena wrote:[citations needed] for all of your post.

You never give citations and bang on about non existent cases of racism that you imagined. Anyone to the right of Mao Zedong is a racist to you since they are your bogey men

What do you mean by "non existent cases of racism"?
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Oh sweet irony.

I do but they just moan about it and Rotherham and Cologne and Sweden is on the news because they have serious rape problems due to "diversity and cultural enrichment" and that was my point

Once again, the legal definition of rape was changed in Sweden
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:50 pm

Iyanden wrote:
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Oh sweet irony.

I do but they just moan about it and Rotherham and Cologne and Sweden is on the news because they have serious rape problems due to "diversity and cultural enrichment" and that was my point

That is untrue.
Im curious should we stop all immigration and not allow any more people in according to you, tell all those not of the native ethic majority to leave and restrict public service jobs to only those of the native ethic majority?
I follow a young man on Instagram whose originally from Dominica and works for the New York City Sheriff's department should he not be allowed to be cop because he's an immigrant?
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:54 pm

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Iyanden wrote:I do but they just moan about it and Rotherham and Cologne and Sweden is on the news because they have serious rape problems due to "diversity and cultural enrichment" and that was my point

That is untrue.
Im curious should we stop all immigration and not allow any more people in according to you, tell all those not of the native ethic majority to leave and restrict public service jobs to only those of the native ethic majority?
I follow a young man on Instagram whose originally from Dominica and works for the New York City Sheriff's department should he not be allowed to be cop because he's an immigrant?

I said reduce the amount and let more of them in from more compatible places. Not the western model of mass immigration I was thinking of like what they do in Japan where they let in some foreign people that contribute and they cant get welfare like in the west. They can let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:55 pm

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.

So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Why are people so hell-bent on preserving native culture? Modern British culture incorporated many elements of foreign culture from the former British Empire, and have we turned into a Sharia hellhole? No!

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:59 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That is untrue.
Im curious should we stop all immigration and not allow any more people in according to you, tell all those not of the native ethic majority to leave and restrict public service jobs to only those of the native ethic majority?
I follow a young man on Instagram whose originally from Dominica and works for the New York City Sheriff's department should he not be allowed to be cop because he's an immigrant?

I said reduce the amount and let more of them in from more compatible places. Not the western model of mass immigration I was thinking of like what they do in Japan where they let in some foreign people that contribute and they cant get welfare like in the west. They can let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally.

define compatible places? Only those who are highly educated with extreme skills should be allowed in? Everyone else get lost.

Regarding the Instagram cop what are you talking about when you say let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally? You can't become a cop unless your citizen

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:03 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I said reduce the amount and let more of them in from more compatible places. Not the western model of mass immigration I was thinking of like what they do in Japan where they let in some foreign people that contribute and they cant get welfare like in the west. They can let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally.

define compatible places? Only those who are highly educated with extreme skills should be allowed in? Everyone else get lost.

Regarding the Instagram cop what are you talking about when you say let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally? You can't become a cop unless your citizen

You said immigrant and my point was he legally became a citizen and worked hard to earn it. When I say compatible places I mainly mean Europe, East Asia, chunks of the Americas, Australia etc. but we can also let in people from other places. And non tourist residents should have an useful skill and work if they want to stay or like marry a native or somthing

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:04 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:define compatible places? Only those who are highly educated with extreme skills should be allowed in? Everyone else get lost.

Regarding the Instagram cop what are you talking about when you say let him in because of all the work he did provided he entered legally? You can't become a cop unless your citizen

You said immigrant and my point was he legally became a citizen and worked hard to earn it. When I say compatible places I mainly mean Europe, East Asia, chunks of the Americas, Australia etc. but we can also let in people from other places. And non tourist residents should have an useful skill and work if they want to stay or like marry a native or somthing

Define useful skill.
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:06 pm

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Iyanden wrote:You said immigrant and my point was he legally became a citizen and worked hard to earn it. When I say compatible places I mainly mean Europe, East Asia, chunks of the Americas, Australia etc. but we can also let in people from other places. And non tourist residents should have an useful skill and work if they want to stay or like marry a native or somthing

Define useful skill.

A job skill such as doctor or scientist or teacher or nurse and ect and they have to have the same standards as here

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:07 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Iyanden wrote:So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Why are people so hell-bent on preserving native culture? Modern British culture incorporated many elements of foreign culture from the former British Empire, and have we turned into a Sharia hellhole? No!

Culture is an important part of each country's or culture group's heritage and what makes us different from say chimps. Its worth defending and protecting

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:07 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Define useful skill.

A job skill such as doctor or scientist or teacher or nurse and ect and they have to have the same standards as here

So, you're importing a foreign upper class now? Wouldn't this mean that the higher class jobs would only be open to foreigners while natives are doing this like sanitation and lawn care?
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:08 pm

Iyanden wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:Why are people so hell-bent on preserving native culture? Modern British culture incorporated many elements of foreign culture from the former British Empire, and have we turned into a Sharia hellhole? No!

Culture is an important part of each country's or culture group's heritage and what makes us different from say chimps. Its worth defending and protecting

That doesn't justify letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:08 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Iyanden wrote:A job skill such as doctor or scientist or teacher or nurse and ect and they have to have the same standards as here

So, you're importing a foreign upper class now? Wouldn't this mean that the higher class jobs would only be open to foreigners while natives are doing this like sanitation and lawn care?

Teachers and nurses aren't upper class. Low level jobs should be left for native people that cannot get another job so they can be employed or left to robots. 3rd world immigration especially the current method isn't the answer

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:09 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Culture is an important part of each country's or culture group's heritage and what makes us different from say chimps. Its worth defending and protecting

That doesn't justify letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean

"Who cares? They were just some brown people. They shouldn't have been trying to come here anyways!" /s
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:09 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, you're importing a foreign upper class now? Wouldn't this mean that the higher class jobs would only be open to foreigners while natives are doing this like sanitation and lawn care?

Teachers and nurses aren't upper class. Low level jobs should be left for native people that cannot get another job so they can be employed or left to robots. 3rd world immigration especially the current method isn't the answer

They are considered "higher jobs". They require a college degree. You know exactly what I meant.
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:11 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Culture is an important part of each country's or culture group's heritage and what makes us different from say chimps. Its worth defending and protecting

That doesn't justify letting refugees drown in the Mediterranean

No one is letting them drown apart from criminal gangs and people smugglers and these people irresponsibly putting their family on those rubber boats when they don't need to just so they can live in a 1st world welfare state not to mention people encouraging them to do this like criminal NGOs and far left governments such as Sweden and Germany in the EU. They not refugees if they aren't going to the nearest safe country and there are plenty of countries at peace near Syria and there are the government held areas there too. Most of these so called refugees aren't even Syrian and are economic migrants
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:12 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, you're importing a foreign upper class now? Wouldn't this mean that the higher class jobs would only be open to foreigners while natives are doing this like sanitation and lawn care?

Teachers and nurses aren't upper class. Low level jobs should be left for native people that cannot get another job so they can be employed or left to robots. 3rd world immigration especially the current method isn't the answer

Oh so only people from certain areas should allowed in and only if you have certain skills? Someone trying to leave Eritrea, Syria or Uzbekistan which are dictatorships tough luck. Your not highly educated or highly skill so we won't let you in?
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 1:14 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Teachers and nurses aren't upper class. Low level jobs should be left for native people that cannot get another job so they can be employed or left to robots. 3rd world immigration especially the current method isn't the answer

They are considered "higher jobs". They require a college degree. You know exactly what I meant.

Yes and if they willing to work and all native people with degrees get jobs these people can get jobs too and high skilled workers even if they are from unstable countries will be more productive and wont do crime and things and com in smaller numbers and we can have quotas of how many we can let in
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San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Teachers and nurses aren't upper class. Low level jobs should be left for native people that cannot get another job so they can be employed or left to robots. 3rd world immigration especially the current method isn't the answer

Oh so only people from certain areas should allowed in and only if you have certain skills? Someone trying to leave Eritrea, Syria or Uzbekistan which are dictatorships tough luck. Your not highly educated or highly skill so we won't let you in?

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