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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:36 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Cultural and demographic suicide? What does that even mean, that there;s some sort of vast anti white conspiracy? stop listened to the fake right wing news.

What does a no gone zone mean? You have a source for that claim because no one ever seems to be able to provide a reliable source.

I never said anti white conspiracy if that was the case places like Poland wouldn't exist and why are you so obsessed with race. Left wingers tend to always make it racial in my opion

Theyre calling it out because, whether intentional or not, youre tying race to culture. Migrants assimulate, but it takes time. Nationallity and culture can touch any race. Also: demographic conspiracy, heheh

The many cultures of europe are not going to vanish. Fricken literal African slaves kept aspects of theirs after generations on plantations.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:37 pm

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Cultural and demographic suicide? What does that even mean, that there;s some sort of vast anti white conspiracy? stop listened to the fake right wing news.

What does a no gone zone mean? You have a source for that claim because no one ever seems to be able to provide a reliable source.

I never said anti white conspiracy if that was the case places like Poland wouldn't exist and why are you so obsessed with race. Left wingers tend to always make it racial in my opion

You are the one who said first world countries are committing demographic suicide by allowing non whites in. That implies there is some sort of conspiracy but its also a white supremacy argument too. Poland doesnt have much refugees or migration because their is more opportunity in Germany, the UK or Italy.

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:38 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I never said anti white conspiracy if that was the case places like Poland wouldn't exist and why are you so obsessed with race. Left wingers tend to always make it racial in my opion

Theyre calling it out because, whether intentional or not, youre tying race to culture. Migrants assimulate, but it takes time. Nationallity and culture can touch any race.

The many cultures of europe are not going to vanish. Fricken literal African slaves kept aspects of theirs after generations on plantations.


I suggest you visit any of the major cities in Europe. You'll more the Middle East, than Europe. It's all well and good to talk a good game from across the Atlantic but these are countries which decided against assimilation as a matter of course rather than our traditional method in the States.

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Postby Shikihara » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:39 pm

Iyanden wrote:why are you so obsessed with race.


Because no one buys your insistence that it's only about "culture." clandestine white nationalists use most of the same terminology and buzzwords as you.
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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:40 pm

Tekeristan wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I never said anti white conspiracy if that was the case places like Poland wouldn't exist and why are you so obsessed with race. Left wingers tend to always make it racial in my opion

Theyre calling it out because, whether intentional or not, youre tying race to culture. Migrants assimulate, but it takes time. Nationallity and culture can touch any race.

The many cultures of europe are not going to vanish. Fricken literal African slaves kept theirs after generations on plantations.

Modern African Americans aren't the same as the people in their ancestors country(which sold their own people from the lower classes and looked down on them anyway) as they no longer have the old culture. Africans and African Americans apart from superficial stuff like looks are no longer alike due to centuries of separation same way the modern Egyptians and the ancient Egyptians aren't the same anymore. Also not all migrants assimilate you have self segregated towns where even after multiple generations they still didn't assimilate and my point was they bringing in too many at an unsustainable level.

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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:I never said anti white conspiracy if that was the case places like Poland wouldn't exist and why are you so obsessed with race. Left wingers tend to always make it racial in my opion

You are the one who said first world countries are committing demographic suicide by allowing non whites in. That implies there is some sort of conspiracy but its also a white supremacy argument too. Poland doesnt have much refugees or migration because their is more opportunity in Germany, the UK or Italy.

Demographic doesn't need to be racial and other white people like say the Germans are also foreign too just as much as any one else and I never said non whites.

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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:43 pm

Shikihara wrote:
Iyanden wrote:why are you so obsessed with race.


Because no one buys your insistence that it's only about "culture." clandestine white nationalists use most of the same terminology and buzzwords as you.

such as

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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:44 pm

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Tekeristan wrote:Theyre calling it out because, whether intentional or not, youre tying race to culture. Migrants assimulate, but it takes time. Nationallity and culture can touch any race.

The many cultures of europe are not going to vanish. Fricken literal African slaves kept aspects of theirs after generations on plantations.


I suggest you visit any of the major cities in Europe. You'll more the Middle East, than Europe. It's all well and good to talk a good game from across the Atlantic but these are countries which decided against assimilation as a matter of course rather than our traditional method in the States.

Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries

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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:45 pm

Iyanden wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I suggest you visit any of the major cities in Europe. You'll more the Middle East, than Europe. It's all well and good to talk a good game from across the Atlantic but these are countries which decided against assimilation as a matter of course rather than our traditional method in the States.

Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries


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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:47 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries


Nor do I approve your weakness. Fighting clean is a fool's game.

what weakness?

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Postby Aellex » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:03 pm

Alsheb wrote:Diversity and multiculturalism is part and parcel of human society, and always has been. Deal with it.

That's not true, tho.
San Lumen wrote:And whats to many to you.
People who are fleeing from civil war or dictatorial governments like Eritrea, Sudan or Syria aren't going to have jobs lined up. They should just be denied entry because of that and their religion? The latter is the definition of xenophobia.

Not necessarily for that. More because they will end up being burden to society. Also, lol no, it's not.
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Postby Vince Vaughn » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:03 pm

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:05 pm

Iyanden wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I suggest you visit any of the major cities in Europe. You'll more the Middle East, than Europe. It's all well and good to talk a good game from across the Atlantic but these are countries which decided against assimilation as a matter of course rather than our traditional method in the States.

Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries

Im sorry but what are you talking about? Has London or Frankfurt turned into Riyadh?

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:10 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Fostoria wrote:Haha. Yep. And I like it too.

*electoral college intensifies*

The purpose of the electoral college was to stop uneducated twits from riding populist waves into power.


Well that clearly worked didn't it?

:rofl: :rofl:
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Iyanden wrote:Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries

Im sorry but what are you talking about? Has London or Frankfurt turned into Riyadh?

You have to remember. A large many of the people preaching against Muslim immigration view the "brown threat" as a disease (or zombie horde, to keep with Z-Day) that if allowed in, will "corrupt" Europe. One brown person gets in? London is being invaded.
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:12 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Im sorry but what are you talking about? Has London or Frankfurt turned into Riyadh?

You have to remember. A large many of the people preaching against Muslim immigration view the "brown threat" as a disease (or zombie horde, to keep with Z-Day) that if allowed in, will "corrupt" Europe. One brown person gets in? London is being invaded.

It's interesting to see how it's played sometimes. You always see 'them' getting girls, but what is it considered when it's the other way around?
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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:15 pm

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They made it native as they were the ones that made England. The Romans came in very small numbers and left and the Celts lost and were more backwards at the time, they are more Scotland and Wales. If they stay in a land for that many centuries it becomes there's.


Funny how the bit I bolded is something the mono-nationalists are always happy to say about other people's lands, but then when asked to apply it to their own territories and societies, they go predictably ballistic.

Hence why I don't take these kinds of ethnic-nationalist rantings very seriously.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:15 pm

The affirmative action hires at the office are universally despised and they lower morale with their unaware incompetence. It's no fault of their own but why should the rest of us suffer?
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Postby Magabowle » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:17 pm

eh.

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:17 pm

Iyanden wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I suggest you visit any of the major cities in Europe. You'll more the Middle East, than Europe. It's all well and good to talk a good game from across the Atlantic but these are countries which decided against assimilation as a matter of course rather than our traditional method in the States.

Exactly its easier to preach from across the Atlantic when you don't feel the consequences of the policy your pushing on other countries

I'm an Aussie. We're more multicultural than most of Europe. I for one can say I know for a fact that the whole mono-culturalist shtick is a load of horseshit.

The examples given of 'successful' monocultural societies invariably turn out to not be monocultural, because there isn't really any such thing.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:18 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im sorry but what are you talking about? Has London or Frankfurt turned into Riyadh?

You have to remember. A large many of the people preaching against Muslim immigration view the "brown threat" as a disease (or zombie horde, to keep with Z-Day) that if allowed in, will "corrupt" Europe. One brown person gets in? London is being invaded.

Its sad how many people believe crazy nonsense like that.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:20 pm

Magabowle wrote:eh.

Thats not an answer at all

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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:21 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im sorry but what are you talking about? Has London or Frankfurt turned into Riyadh?

You have to remember. A large many of the people preaching against Muslim immigration view the "brown threat" as a disease (or zombie horde, to keep with Z-Day) that if allowed in, will "corrupt" Europe. One brown person gets in? London is being invaded.

No body said that. Nobody has a problem with say the Sikhs or Hindus or the Tibetan refugees and they are laregely brown skinned its about culture.

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Postby Iyanden » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:21 pm

Cedoria wrote:
Iyanden wrote:They made it native as they were the ones that made England. The Romans came in very small numbers and left and the Celts lost and were more backwards at the time, they are more Scotland and Wales. If they stay in a land for that many centuries it becomes there's.


Funny how the bit I bolded is something the mono-nationalists are always happy to say about other people's lands, but then when asked to apply it to their own territories and societies, they go predictably ballistic.

Hence why I don't take these kinds of ethnic-nationalist rantings very seriously.

I said its centuries ago not current affairs

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Postby Cedoria » Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:23 pm

Iyanden wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:You have to remember. A large many of the people preaching against Muslim immigration view the "brown threat" as a disease (or zombie horde, to keep with Z-Day) that if allowed in, will "corrupt" Europe. One brown person gets in? London is being invaded.

No body said that. Nobody has a problem with say the Sikhs or Hindus or the Tibetan refugees and they are laregely brown skinned its about culture.

Of course it is.

I for one would much prefer to remove our culture of bombing large foreign populations overseas and contributing to the wars they generally flee from. I'm sure many others dislike that part of my culture as well. I don't get barred from foreign travel because of it.

Once again, the 'standards' these mono-culturalists impose is always one-way, and thus hypocritical (even when they do define exactly what they mean by integration, which is virtually never.)

Either it applies to your own society and everybody else's, or you are making rules for different groups on the basis of ethnicity, which is racism, purely by definition.
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