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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:39 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:I think you know what I mean by a ghetto. It does not include the original ones.

The devil is in the details. Shall we get started on the fact that children of indentured servants from China and India still do pretty well?

Tell me more about how the lower castes and casteless in India are doing just... so great.

No. I never said that.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:41 pm

Katzenstaat wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Tell me more about how the lower castes and casteless in India are doing just... so great.

No. I never said that.

Katzenstaat wrote:Shall we get started on the fact that children of indentured servants from China and India still do pretty well?
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Postby Trumptonium » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:18 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Sure. They are still fairly segregated.

Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.


You're one of an extreme minority.

How many of them have been in your house anyway?
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:56 pm

Trumptonium wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.


You're one of an extreme minority.

How many of them have been in your house anyway?

Im sorry what are you talking about?

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:02 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Sure. They are still fairly segregated.

Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.


I enjoyed being denied service at the Islamic Bank of Britain, what a wonderful society they've built :^)

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:05 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.


I enjoyed being denied service at the Islamic Bank of Britain, what a wonderful society they've built :^)

Al Rayan? It's open to all faiths, dude.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:07 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I enjoyed being denied service at the Islamic Bank of Britain, what a wonderful society they've built :^)

Al Rayan? It's open to all faiths, dude.


"Open to all faiths"

That wasn't the name while I was there. You can say that all you want. Multiculturalism in the European form is a trash idea. That is the best example of it I can bring up.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:10 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Al Rayan? It's open to all faiths, dude.


"Open to all faiths"

That wasn't the name while I was there. You can say that all you want. Multiculturalism in the European form is a trash idea. That is the best example of it I can bring up.

Then your best example is false. What does that say?
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:13 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
"Open to all faiths"

That wasn't the name while I was there. You can say that all you want. Multiculturalism in the European form is a trash idea. That is the best example of it I can bring up.

Then your best example is false. What does that say?


"False"

Ah yes, my memory is faulty, thats clearly it. Typical behavior to excuse Islamic intolerance. Thats why I am glad that sort of thing isn't in the States. Europe can enjoy the poisoned fruit :^)

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:17 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
I enjoyed being denied service at the Islamic Bank of Britain, what a wonderful society they've built :^)

Al Rayan? It's open to all faiths, dude.

Yeah, and I can't find any evidence of them being prejudiced to non-Muslims.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:22 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Then your best example is false. What does that say?


"False"

Ah yes, my memory is faulty, thats clearly it. Typical behavior to excuse Islamic intolerance. Thats why I am glad that sort of thing isn't in the States. Europe can enjoy the poisoned fruit :^)

Must be faulty. Because they're pretty clearly open to all faiths. As expressed in a quote from one of their executives "We estimate that 83 per cent of our fixed-term deposit savings customers and 47 per cent of our Isa customers who joined the bank last year were non-Muslim."
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Al Rayan? It's open to all faiths, dude.

Yeah, and I can't find any evidence of them being prejudiced to non-Muslims.
TEM2, what did you specifically ask for?


Of course not, Islamic prejudice isn't taken seriously overseas. They will bend over backwards to pretend it doesn't exist. Thats why they are allowed little ministates. Its horrifying tbh, I'm glad its getting attention. I just wanted to send money to a friend and take some out. You can search my first account, I'm sure I've posted about it.

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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:23 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
"False"

Ah yes, my memory is faulty, thats clearly it. Typical behavior to excuse Islamic intolerance. Thats why I am glad that sort of thing isn't in the States. Europe can enjoy the poisoned fruit :^)

Must be faulty. Because they're pretty clearly open to all faiths. As expressed in a quote from one of their executives "We estimate that 83 per cent of our fixed-term deposit savings customers and 47 per cent of our Isa customers who joined the bank last year were non-Muslim."


Post rebranding :^)

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:25 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Must be faulty. Because they're pretty clearly open to all faiths. As expressed in a quote from one of their executives "We estimate that 83 per cent of our fixed-term deposit savings customers and 47 per cent of our Isa customers who joined the bank last year were non-Muslim."


Post rebranding :^)

Or maybe your anecdote is wrong? Ya know, because statistical evidence > anecdote
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:28 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
Post rebranding :^)

Or maybe your anecdote is wrong? Ya know, because statistical evidence > anecdote


But why should they be allowed special rules in banking? Why should we let effectively colonies pop of foreigners? What do they give us that is so valuable? The Middle East doesn't have much culturally that we would want to learn. What is the good?

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:31 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Or maybe your anecdote is wrong? Ya know, because statistical evidence > anecdote


But why should they be allowed special rules in banking? Why should we let effectively colonies pop of foreigners? What do they give us that is so valuable? The Middle East doesn't have much culturally that we would want to learn. What is the good?

Interest-free banking, transparency in financial transactions, and plain fees, for a few example.
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:32 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
But why should they be allowed special rules in banking? Why should we let effectively colonies pop of foreigners? What do they give us that is so valuable? The Middle East doesn't have much culturally that we would want to learn. What is the good?

Interest-free banking, transparency in financial transactions, and plain fees, for a few example.


"transparency"

Its the same as our banking, I'm familiar with the routine. They just give "gifts" for holding the money in there :^)))

So why give them special treatment?

You didn't address the other part either.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:35 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Interest-free banking, transparency in financial transactions, and plain fees, for a few example.


"transparency"

Its the same as our banking, I'm familiar with the routine. They just give "gifts" for holding the money in there :^)))

So why give them special treatment?

You didn't address the other part either.

What other part of your blatantly racist and bigoted jumble of a rant would you like me to address?
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Postby The East Marches II » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:38 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The East Marches II wrote:
"transparency"

Its the same as our banking, I'm familiar with the routine. They just give "gifts" for holding the money in there :^)))

So why give them special treatment?

You didn't address the other part either.

What other part of your blatantly racist and bigoted jumble of a rant would you like me to address?


>blatantly racist and bigoted

Is it really bigoted to point out the majority of the Middle East doesn't have much for us to gain from? Just look at GDP, quality of life, the religiously influenced laws. What do we gain from letting them maintain little nations in our borders? Why have Algiers in Paris or rural Anatolia in Frankfurt? The Turks you might have an argument for if you want to mention the Ataturk sort but the rest, really?

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:42 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What other part of your blatantly racist and bigoted jumble of a rant would you like me to address?


>blatantly racist and bigoted

Is it really bigoted to point out the majority of the Middle East doesn't have much for us to gain from? Just look at GDP, quality of life, the religiously influenced laws. What do we gain from letting them maintain little nations in our borders? Why have Algiers in Paris or rural Anatolia in Frankfurt? The Turks you might have an argument for if you want to mention the Ataturk sort but the rest, really?

Alright. I think we're done here. Have a good evening now.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:47 pm

The East Marches II wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Interest-free banking, transparency in financial transactions, and plain fees, for a few example.


"transparency"

Its the same as our banking, I'm familiar with the routine. They just give "gifts" for holding the money in there :^)))

So why give them special treatment?

You didn't address the other part either.

What special treatment? And I think you were an isolated incident, cuz I can't find anything that shows Ar-Rayan as bigoted.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:14 am

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I repeat what I've said before: that's because Singapore is far stricter and brutal in how they mete out justice. You ever been caned?

Does Singapore have Shari'ah (or a variant thereof)?


Singapore is a very tolerant place in the sense that the state believes in maintaining tolerance. I believe they have some sort of policies to ensure that public housing is ethnically mixed and they also celebrate most major religious holidays
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Postby Bakery Hill » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:11 am

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:52 am

The Conez Imperium wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Does Singapore have Shari'ah (or a variant thereof)?


Singapore is a very tolerant place in the sense that the state believes in maintaining tolerance. I believe they have some sort of policies to ensure that public housing is ethnically mixed and they also celebrate most major religious holidays

That...doesn't answer my question. Not that I need it answered, I found out it doesn't.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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