Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Katzenstaat]

t. someone who has never actually walked the streets of DC, Pittsburgh, or Baltimore at night.

Not Chicago though. That really is a bad idea I've been led to understand.

I've walked in LA, Miami, and NYC at night. I grew up in a "slum" in Miami. I can almost guarantee that the slums in the US are basically comparable to those in the ROK.

They might be comparable in terms of living standards but not upward mobility and crime rates which is why ROK will get better and better while ghettos in America won't until they are fixed. The same applies to countries such as China and Ukraine.

[Conserative Morality]

Middle Easterners who live in the States are usually pretty good. They work hard, study and earn money. Hence they mostly have no idea about the ghetto problem.

I'm not from the Middle East nor are my ethnic roots anywhere near there. I grew up in a moderately bad town, in a bad part of it. I used to walk by the projects every day. I regularly visit and love the large cities nearby me despite their reputation for crime by nostalgic paranoiacs.

There is a problem with poverty, crime, and de facto segregation in the States. It is not the kind of problem you make it out to be.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Do you not know about the yakuza? The groping on subways?

Of course the Yakuza exists. How many deaths they cause to ordinary Japanese every year?

They assault around 5,000 civilians a year. Some, notably the Dojin-kai, are heavily involved in the drug trade. There's also the human trafficking of girls from poor Japan, the Philippines, and Thailand.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I've walked in LA, Miami, and NYC at night. I grew up in a "slum" in Miami. I can almost guarantee that the slums in the US are basically comparable to those in the ROK.

They might be comparable in terms of living standards but not upward mobility and crime rates which is why ROK will get better and better while ghettos in America won't until they are fixed. The same applies to countries such as China and Ukraine.

Oh, muh bad. Didn't realize you were a seer.

[Katzenstaat]

Middle Easterners who live in the States are usually pretty good. They work hard, study and earn money. Hence they mostly have no idea about the ghetto problem.

I'm not from the Middle East nor are my ethnic roots anywhere near there. I grew up in a moderately bad town, in a bad part of it. I used to walk by the projects every day. I regularly visit and love the large cities nearby me despite their reputation for crime by nostalgic paranoiacs.

There is a problem with poverty, crime, and de facto segregation in the States. It is not the kind of problem you make it out to be.

De facto segregation. Yeah. So why the heck aren't Arabs or Koreans segregated? Furthermore why is segregation even a problem? I was in a suburb of Philadelphia mostly populated by Koreans. Everything looks good and is good. We can easily say that the English and Germans are mostly segregated. So what?

[Katzenstaat]

Of course the Yakuza exists. How many deaths they cause to ordinary Japanese every year?

They assault around 5,000 civilians a year. Some, notably the Dojin-kai, are heavily involved in the drug trade. There's also the human trafficking of girls from poor Japan, the Philippines, and Thailand.

Compared to the States is that a comparable problem?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I'm not from the Middle East nor are my ethnic roots anywhere near there. I grew up in a moderately bad town, in a bad part of it. I used to walk by the projects every day. I regularly visit and love the large cities nearby me despite their reputation for crime by nostalgic paranoiacs.

There is a problem with poverty, crime, and de facto segregation in the States. It is not the kind of problem you make it out to be.

De facto segregation. Yeah. So why the heck aren't Arabs or Koreans segregated? Furthermore why is segregation even a problem? I was in a suburb of Philadelphia mostly populated by Koreans. Everything looks good and is good.

At this point, I don't even know what your point is. It just seems like thinly veiled racism now.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

They assault around 5,000 civilians a year. Some, notably the Dojin-kai, are heavily involved in the drug trade. There's also the human trafficking of girls from poor Japan, the Philippines, and Thailand.

Compared to the States is that a comparable problem?

Yeah...

[Katzenstaat]

De facto segregation. Yeah. So why the heck aren't Arabs or Koreans segregated? Furthermore why is segregation even a problem? I was in a suburb of Philadelphia mostly populated by Koreans. Everything looks good and is good.

At this point, I don't even know what your point is. It just seems like thinly veiled racism now.

LOL. Most Japanese live in Japan and most British people live in Britain. National borders are basically segregation but they don't always cause problems in terms of living standards.

Why not address the real problems (WTF are some people poor? What can we do to help them?) instead?

[Conserative Morality]

De facto segregation. Yeah. So why the heck aren't Arabs or Koreans segregated?

Perhaps it has something to do with a lack of history of oppression and being primarily (comparatively) recent arrivals distributed throughout the country often getting into the country based on family or work visas which guarantee a minimum standard of support as they start their lives and raise their families allowing their children to follow in their footsteps?

Nah. That makes too much sense.

At this point, I don't even know what your point is. It just seems like thinly veiled racism now.

Is it thinly veiled? I thought it was pretty blatant myself.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

At this point, I don't even know what your point is. It just seems like thinly veiled racism now.

LOL. Most Japanese live in Japan and most British people live in Britain. National borders are basically segregation but they don't always cause problems in terms of living standards.

Why not address the real problems (WTF are some people poor? What can we do to help them?) instead?

I mean, yeah. By definition, most Japanese would live in Japan and most British would live in Britain. They're not ethnicities or races. They're nationalities. Now, do you mean Yamato and Anglo-Saxons?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Is it thinly veiled? I thought it was pretty blatant myself.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt.

[Katzenstaat]

De facto segregation. Yeah. So why the heck aren't Arabs or Koreans segregated?

Perhaps it has something to do with a lack of history of oppression and being primarily (comparatively) recent arrivals distributed throughout the country often getting into the country based on family or work visas which guarantee a minimum standard of support as they start their lives and raise their families allowing their children to follow in their footsteps?

Nah. That makes too much sense.

At this point, I don't even know what your point is. It just seems like thinly veiled racism now.

Is it thinly veiled? I thought it was pretty blatant myself.

Yeah as if pogroms against ethnic Chinese or Irish weren't a thing. Japanese folks were put in internment camps and many died.

The Japanese American crime rate was so low in 1960s despite racist policing..lol. They arrived. They thrived despite persecution. They were interned and lost everything. They thrived again. LOL. Just like Jews.

[Conserative Morality]

Yeah as if pogroms against ethnic Chinese or Irish weren't a thing. Japanese folks were put in internment camps and many died.

Nowhere near the same scale. Nice try though.

[Katzenstaat]

Yeah as if pogroms against ethnic Chinese or Irish weren't a thing. Japanese folks were put in internment camps and many died.

Nowhere near the same scale. Nice try though.

What about pogroms against Jews or the Holocaust? Ashkenazis just rebuilt everything in Israel.

Or shall we get started on the fact that massacres of Chinese happened in the Philippines and Indonesia. Guess who are running their economy through hard work and wonderful business skills.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Nowhere near the same scale. Nice try though.

What about pogroms against Jews or the Holocaust? Ashkenazis just rebuilt everything in Israel.

*cough* off the backs of Arabs *cough*

[Katzenstaat]

What about pogroms against Jews or the Holocaust? Ashkenazis just rebuilt everything in Israel.

*cough* off the backs of Arabs *cough*

Arabs are awesome. They just need to get rid of some obsolete practices.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

*cough* off the backs of Arabs *cough*

Arabs are awesome. They just need to get rid of some obsolete practices.

Like? *waits in anticipation*

[Conserative Morality]

What about pogroms against Jews or the Holocaust? Ashkenazis just rebuilt everything in Israel.

And were fucking wiped out in Europe. Jewish settlers had been buying land in the area since the start of the Zionist movement, and Jews, furthermore, were not historically enslaved and used for manual labor. Historically, they were used in trades good 'Christians' wouldn't take up - like moneylending, which doesn't exactly lend itself to poverty. On top of all of that, there *were* Jewish ghettos - Jewish ghettos were the original ghettos, for Christ's sake.

[Katzenstaat]

LOL. Most Japanese live in Japan and most British people live in Britain. National borders are basically segregation but they don't always cause problems in terms of living standards.

Why not address the real problems (WTF are some people poor? What can we do to help them?) instead?

I mean, yeah. By definition, most Japanese would live in Japan and most British would live in Britain. They're not ethnicities or races. They're nationalities. Now, do you mean Yamato and Anglo-Saxons?

Sure. They are still fairly segregated.

[Katzenstaat]

What about pogroms against Jews or the Holocaust? Ashkenazis just rebuilt everything in Israel.

And were fucking wiped out in Europe. Jewish settlers had been buying land in the area since the start of the Zionist movement, and Jews, furthermore, were not historically enslaved and used for manual labor. Historically, they were used in trades good 'Christians' wouldn't take up - like moneylending, which doesn't exactly lend itself to poverty. On top of all of that, there *were* Jewish ghettos - Jewish ghettos were the original ghettos, for Christ's sake.

I think you know what I mean by a ghetto. It does not include the original ones.

The devil is in the details. Shall we get started on the fact that children of indentured servants from China and India still do pretty well?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I mean, yeah. By definition, most Japanese would live in Japan and most British would live in Britain. They're not ethnicities or races. They're nationalities. Now, do you mean Yamato and Anglo-Saxons?

Sure. They are still fairly segregated.

Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.

[Katzenstaat]

Sure. They are still fairly segregated.

Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.

In the sense that most Yamatos and Anglo-Saxons don't fully mix due to national borders.

[Conserative Morality]

I think you know what I mean by a ghetto. It does not include the original ones.

The devil is in the details. Shall we get started on the fact that children of indentured servants from China and India still do pretty well?

Because that would be inconvenient, eh?

Tell me more about how the lower castes and casteless in India are doing just... so great.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Britain is segregated? Damn. My white British friends must be doing something wrong then.

In the sense that most Yamatos and Anglo-Saxons don't fully mix due to national borders.

Elaborate more. What is "fully mix"?