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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:19 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Evidence?

Because nothing can't make anything.

LOL. Can stuff just emerge? Like atoms naturally combine and make molecules. Quarks combine and become neutrons, protons etc.

You don't need an agent to have a pool of water. Merely having liquid water and gravity is sufficient.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:20 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who created that need? Also, I don't think animals have a 'need' to change their genes.

Biology.

Specifically the need to not die and produce offspring, thus continuing the species.

Who created that?
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:20 pm

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New haven america wrote:The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

And what told the genes to develop the alleles to be able to withstand that natural hardship?

Nothing, those who got lucky lived, those who didn't die off.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:21 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:Biology.

Specifically the need to not die and produce offspring, thus continuing the species.

Who created that?

Chemistry.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:21 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Because nothing can't make anything.

LOL. Can stuff just emerge? Like atoms naturally combine and make molecules. Quarks combine and become neutrons, protons etc.

Exactly. Molecules came from something. Neutrons and protons came from something.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:21 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:Biology.

Specifically the need to not die and produce offspring, thus continuing the species.

Who created that?

Nobody has to fucking create biology.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who created that?

Chemistry.

Who created that?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:22 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:And what told the genes to develop the alleles to be able to withstand that natural hardship?

Nothing, those who got lucky lived, those who didn't die off.

So, you are more likely to believe in a concept like luck than Allah? Why?
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:22 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:LOL. Can stuff just emerge? Like atoms naturally combine and make molecules. Quarks combine and become neutrons, protons etc.

Exactly. Molecules came from something. Neutrons and protons came from something.

Yes. So what? Nobody knows what happened before the Big Bang but there is probably no Allah there.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Albrenia wrote:Wow, I love the idea of someone saying 'and who made that... and that... and that?' but the question magically stops at God. Who made God? Who made the next step?

As said above, not everything has an agency behind it. Natural processes occur naturally, strangely enough.

It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:Chemistry.

Who created that?

No agency has to be involved.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:Chemistry.

Who created that?

No one, no agency was involved.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:23 pm

Katzenstaat wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who created that?

Nobody has to fucking create biology.

Nobody has to create life?
And technically, biology is the study of life, not life itself.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:24 pm

Still not getting why 'God' is excused from the 'who made that?' question if Chemistry and Biology are not.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who created that?

No one, no agency was involved.

Chemistry came from something. It didn't just appear.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Wow, I love the idea of someone saying 'and who made that... and that... and that?' but the question magically stops at God. Who made God? Who made the next step?

As said above, not everything has an agency behind it. Natural processes occur naturally, strangely enough.

It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.

Agreed. Some ideas by scholars during the Islamic Golden Age can be applied to modern Islamic and Christian lunacy.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:24 pm

New haven america wrote:
Albrenia wrote:Wow, I love the idea of someone saying 'and who made that... and that... and that?' but the question magically stops at God. Who made God? Who made the next step?

As said above, not everything has an agency behind it. Natural processes occur naturally, strangely enough.

It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.

I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.
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Postby San Lumen » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:25 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.

I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.

How did this become a discussion about evolution and the Big Bang?

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:25 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.

I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.

Same here.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:27 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:It also has another level of hilarity, considering that most people who discovered a large chunk of our scientific and mathematical information where Christians and Muslims.

They're literally arguing against something their ancestors accepted as fact.

I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.

Except no one had to make it happen, natural processes are just that, natural.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:27 pm

San Lumen wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.

How did this become a discussion about evolution and the Big Bang?

Someone called Abrahamic religions idiotic. They then told me to prove Islam. It devolved (Get it? XD) from there.

That joke was funny. Shut up.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:29 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How did this become a discussion about evolution and the Big Bang?

Someone called Abrahamic religions idiotic. They then told me to prove Islam. It devolved (Get it? XD) from there.

That joke was funny. Shut up.

No, it evolved. This is much healthier than a racial debate. When we discuss the origins of the universe we are together as humans.

I wish all race arguments evolve into arguments on Abrahamic idiocy since the Abrahamic God is so unlikely to exist. There is no such thing as a correct race but there is such thing as a correct religious stance.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:30 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:Nothing, those who got lucky lived, those who didn't die off.

So, you are more likely to believe in a concept like luck than Allah? Why?

I actually am Christian, but that just gives me more reason too believe in the processes that Christianity and Islam discovered.

Some of those processes, didn't really involve God, and the Church was completely accepting of that fact. (Until a certain point...)
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:30 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:I am? I accept that evolution was a thing. I accept that the Big Bang happened. I accept that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. All that other good shit, too. I just am making the assertion that something had to make it happen.

Except no one had to make it happen, natural processes are just that, natural.

Physicists far more qualified than you or me don't even know what caused the Big Bang. I believe that Allah caused it. You believe whatever it is you believe.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:30 pm

Katzenstaat wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Someone called Abrahamic religions idiotic. They then told me to prove Islam. It devolved (Get it? XD) from there.

That joke was funny. Shut up.

No, it evolved. This is much healthier than a racial debate. When we discuss the origins of the universe we are together as humans.

It devolved because it is not the topic of the thread.
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