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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:08 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, those genes and the abnormalities that gave those animals the advantage just appeared?

No, they developed over millions upon millions of years.

However, even still, if they couldn't adapt as fast or faster then the others around them, they would most likely die.

And who were they developed by?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:08 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:So, those genes and the abnormalities that gave those animals the advantage just appeared?

No, they developed over millions upon millions of years.

However, even still, if they couldn't adapt as fast or faster then the others around them, they would most likely die.

And what caused them to develop over those millions upon millions of years?
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Postby War Gears » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:09 pm

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Down Syndrome isn't.

It isn't? People with Down's Syndrome tend to not reproduce. It's just another way of keeping the population down. As is every other disease, ailment, malady, etc.


There are other ways of ensuring population control than a random mutation which results in children suffering developmental and intellectual impairment, and if there is an all-powerful being, then they would just be able to create a system where there was no need for culling human beings like they were herd animals. We've overcome numerous diseases and Down Syndrome doesn't affect nearly enough people to effect population growth.

Honestly God would be a complete piece of shit if he gave children Down Syndrome. Such a being would only deserve to be scorned and derided as the pathetic sadist he is.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:10 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:No, they developed over millions upon millions of years.

However, even still, if they couldn't adapt as fast or faster then the others around them, they would most likely die.

And who were they developed by?

The lucky ones who didn't get killed off over that period spanning millions of years.

I know you're trying to disprove the established principles of evolution, but a clergyman was the one who discovered those principles. So when someone in such a devoted profession can look at the facts and say "Yeah, no, creationism is false", then what chance do you think you have?
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:11 pm

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New haven america wrote:No, they developed over millions upon millions of years.

However, even still, if they couldn't adapt as fast or faster then the others around them, they would most likely die.

And who were they developed by?

Why the hell does everything have to be caused by some agent?

Biological phenomena is caused by physical and chemical phenomena and chemical phenomena are caused by physical phenomena.
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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:11 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:No, they developed over millions upon millions of years.

However, even still, if they couldn't adapt as fast or faster then the others around them, they would most likely die.

And what caused them to develop over those millions upon millions of years?

The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:12 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:It isn't? People with Down's Syndrome tend to not reproduce. It's just another way of keeping the population down. As is every other disease, ailment, malady, etc.


There are other ways of ensuring population control than a random mutation which results in children suffering developmental and intellectual impairment, and if there is an all-powerful being, then they would just be able to create a system where there was no need for culling human beings like they were herd animals. We've overcome numerous diseases and Down Syndrome doesn't affect nearly enough people to effect population growth.

Honestly God would be a complete piece of shit if he gave children Down Syndrome. Such a being would only deserve to be scorned and derided as the pathetic sadist he is.

How would you rather he control it? Another Black Death? Another World War? Plucking the ovaries from millions of women? Snipping the balls of millions of men?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:12 pm

War Gears wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:It isn't? People with Down's Syndrome tend to not reproduce. It's just another way of keeping the population down. As is every other disease, ailment, malady, etc.


There are other ways of ensuring population control than a random mutation which results in children suffering developmental and intellectual impairment, and if there is an all-powerful being, then they would just be able to create a system where there was no need for culling human beings like they were herd animals. We've overcome numerous diseases and Down Syndrome doesn't affect nearly enough people to effect population growth.

Honestly God would be a complete piece of shit if he gave children Down Syndrome. Such a being would only deserve to be scorned and derided as the pathetic sadist he is.

http://legacy.quran.com/24/16
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:13 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:And what caused them to develop over those millions upon millions of years?

The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

Who created that need? Also, I don't think animals have a 'need' to change their genes.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:13 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
War Gears wrote:
There are other ways of ensuring population control than a random mutation which results in children suffering developmental and intellectual impairment, and if there is an all-powerful being, then they would just be able to create a system where there was no need for culling human beings like they were herd animals. We've overcome numerous diseases and Down Syndrome doesn't affect nearly enough people to effect population growth.

Honestly God would be a complete piece of shit if he gave children Down Syndrome. Such a being would only deserve to be scorned and derided as the pathetic sadist he is.

How would you rather he control it? Another Black Death? Another World War? Plucking the ovaries from millions of women? Snipping the balls of millions of men?

Infertility.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:14 pm

New haven america wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:And what caused them to develop over those millions upon millions of years?

The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

And what told the genes to develop the alleles to be able to withstand that natural hardship?
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:14 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

Who created that need? Also, I don't think animals have a 'need' to change their genes.

Not everything is caused by an agent.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:How would you rather he control it? Another Black Death? Another World War? Plucking the ovaries from millions of women? Snipping the balls of millions of men?

Infertility.

How? You would want God to just spontaneously make a huge segment of the population infertile?
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
New haven america wrote:The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

And what told the genes to develop the alleles to be able to withstand that natural hardship?


Nobody. It just occasionally evolves into existence through random mutations.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

Wow, I love the idea of someone saying 'and who made that... and that... and that?' but the question magically stops at God. Who made God? Who made the next step?

As said above, not everything has an agency behind it. Natural processes occur naturally, strangely enough.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:Who created that need? Also, I don't think animals have a 'need' to change their genes.

Not everything is caused by an agent.

It is created by one tho.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:15 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Infertility.

How? You would want God to just spontaneously make a huge segment of the population infertile?

More benign than deaths.
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Postby Katzenstaat » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:16 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Not everything is caused by an agent.

It is created by one tho.

Evidence?
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:16 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:How? You would want God to just spontaneously make a huge segment of the population infertile?

More benign than deaths.

How? I'm sure there are people who have committed suicide or gone into a depression over not being able to reproduce.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:17 pm

Albrenia wrote:Wow, I love the idea of someone saying 'and who made that... and that... and that?' but the question magically stops at God. Who made God? Who made the next step?

Nothing has to "make God". There has to be a beginning somewhere. I don't believe that God is an actual thing that could be created or made.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:18 pm

Katzenstaat wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It is created by one tho.

Evidence?

Because nothing can't make anything.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:18 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:More benign than deaths.

How? I'm sure there are people who have committed suicide or gone into a depression over not being able to reproduce.


I'm sure more people have died of death than of suicide over lack of being able to reproduce.

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Postby New haven america » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:19 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
New haven america wrote:The need to adapt to their environment or surroundings, or die and fail to produce offspring.

Who created that need? Also, I don't think animals have a 'need' to change their genes.

Biology.

Specifically the need to not die and produce offspring, thus continuing the species.
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Postby Albrenia » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:19 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Katzenstaat wrote:Evidence?

Because nothing can't make anything.


Look into negative energy, antimatter and things like that. It is actually very possible for something to come from nothing, in certain circumstances.

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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:19 pm

Albrenia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:How? I'm sure there are people who have committed suicide or gone into a depression over not being able to reproduce.


I'm sure more people have died of death than of suicide over lack of being able to reproduce.

That's not the point of the conversation, Albrenia. Read back before jumping in.
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