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Postby Israel peace » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:26 am

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Israel peace wrote:I don't have a problem with diversity unless it's shoved down out eye holes by liberal extremists

and how is it being shoved down your eyeholes as you put it?

well the liberals keep on saying that all whites are evil and racist and tell us that black lives mater is a good group of people when it act that's not true
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:26 am

Israel peace wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and how is it being shoved down your eyeholes as you put it?

well the liberals keep on saying that all whites are evil and racist and tell us that black lives mater is a good group of people when it act that's not true

No one is saying all whites are evil.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:28 am

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Israel peace wrote:well the liberals keep on saying that all whites are evil and racist and tell us that black lives mater is a good group of people when it act that's not true

No one is saying all whites are evil.

Well, statistically, someone has to be, somewhere.

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Postby Israel peace » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:28 am

plus I don't think screaming what do we want dead cops when do we want them now is not very good for racial equality because that will just ignite the flames even more
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:29 am

Israel peace wrote:plus I don't think screaming what do we want dead cops when do we want them now is not very good for racial equality because that will just ignite the flames even more

Very few of them have actually said that if any. labelling everyone with the actions of a few is wrong.
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Postby Israel peace » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:30 am

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Israel peace wrote:well the liberals keep on saying that all whites are evil and racist and tell us that black lives mater is a good group of people when it act that's not true

No one is saying all whites are evil.

umm have you listened to what those leaders of blm are saying they belive that if your white you must be racist because oh blacks can't be racist for some reason :blink:
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:35 am

War Gears wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:What about all the food, languages, dances, cultural centers, etc.? Don'tchall like that?

Not really. Quite the opposite.

Why not?
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Postby Tekeristan » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:54 am

"Well the liberals"

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 10:59 am

Israel peace wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No one is saying all whites are evil.

umm have you listened to what those leaders of blm are saying they belive that if your white you must be racist because oh blacks can't be racist for some reason :blink:

None of them have called for killing cops and that all whites are racist.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:01 am

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Diversity and Multiculturalism provides access to exotic foods, of which I heartily approve. The greatest part of human development, I find, is my ability to chose between French, Thai, and Lebanese food at any given moment. Bliss!

Lol you just reminded me while I was in Australia. My fam was walking down some bridge and my brother said something about "lesbian restaurant" :lol2: He meant to say Lebanese.

Anyhoo, yeah, that's what I don't understand about anti-multiculturalists. What about all the food, languages, dances, cultural centers, etc.? Don'tchall like that?


In the day and age of the internet, you don't need to have a bunch of Somalians in your town to enjoy Somalian food. People in other countries still eat hamburgers even if no Americans live there.

Also, food and dance aren't worth the increase in crime and terrorism.
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Postby Israel peace » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:03 am

San Lumen wrote:
Israel peace wrote:umm have you listened to what those leaders of blm are saying they belive that if your white you must be racist because oh blacks can't be racist for some reason :blink:

None of them have called for killing cops and that all whites are racist.

yes they have watch the news
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:06 am

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War Gears wrote:Not really. Quite the opposite.

Why not?


In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:20 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why not?


In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.

That's not authentic, that's poison. Authentic is the real thing something. Also, hygiene is not a 'Western notion', that's a world notion.
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Postby The Sauganash Union » Tue Sep 19, 2017 11:22 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.

That's not authentic, that's poison. Authentic is the real thing something. Also, hygiene is not a 'Western notion', that's a world notion.


The way that Halal meat is "authentically" made is already outlawed in some Western countries for its cruelty to animals.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Israel peace wrote:umm have you listened to what those leaders of blm are saying they belive that if your white you must be racist because oh blacks can't be racist for some reason :blink:

None of them have called for killing cops and that all whites are racist.

The only way this is true is if you exclude the people who say those things from being in BLM, which is intellectually dishonest.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:29 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's not authentic, that's poison. Authentic is the real thing something. Also, hygiene is not a 'Western notion', that's a world notion.


The way that Halal meat is "authentically" made is already outlawed in some Western countries for its cruelty to animals.

Halal slaughter? As opposed to this?
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Postby Kernen » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:42 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Why not?


In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.

Coleslaw and turkey is pretty bland. I like the spice blends of Indian food. The more authentic, the better. Americanized food tends to be too sweet, especially in Chinese food. >.<
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Sep 19, 2017 12:44 pm

Kernen wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.

Coleslaw and turkey is pretty bland. I like the spice blends of Indian food. The more authentic, the better. Americanized food tends to be too sweet, especially in Chinese food. >.<

True that. I'd rather have authentic foreign food than the watered down Americanized version. AlHamdulillah my masjid does the former.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Sanctissima » Tue Sep 19, 2017 1:17 pm

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Maybe minor cultural integration, but for a country or society to be multicultural, there has to be the presence of several distinct cultural groups that are more or less allowed to do their own thing.

Pizzerias don't really cut it.


How do you define that, though? Is New England it's own distinct cultural group? I've lived there vs. in the U.S. South, and its every bit as distinct as Germany from the US writ large.

Its easy to subdivide or blur the lines between cultural groups, which is where my confusion often lies as to what qualifies as multicultural.


Eh, while the distinction of what is and isn't a cultural group is open to debate, pizzerias alone are not cultural groups, they're elements of a culture. Hence, not enough for a society to be multicultural.

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Kernen wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:
In my experience, the only good foreign food I've had has been the heavily Americanized version of a dish, and they're mediocre at best. Nothing beats coleslaw, turkey, and fruit.

If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.

Coleslaw and turkey is pretty bland. I like the spice blends of Indian food. The more authentic, the better. Americanized food tends to be too sweet, especially in Chinese food. >.<


The implication that traditional Western/American food is "bland" is old and tiresome.
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Postby Kernen » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:54 am

The Sauganash Union wrote:
Kernen wrote: Coleslaw and turkey is pretty bland. I like the spice blends of Indian food. The more authentic, the better. Americanized food tends to be too sweet, especially in Chinese food. >.<


The implication that traditional Western/American food is "bland" is old and tiresome.

Good thing I didn't say that. I merely said coleslaw and turkey are bland. Which is clearly an opinion and not a statement of fact.

I like raucous spice blends and strong spice flavors. That isn't something I encounter in turkey dishes, nor either in coleslaw.
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Postby Tekeristan » Wed Sep 20, 2017 8:04 am

Break all nations and empires into their cultural parts, eh?

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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Wed Sep 20, 2017 5:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Israel peace wrote:well the liberals keep on saying that all whites are evil and racist and tell us that black lives mater is a good group of people when it act that's not true

No one is saying all whites are evil.

The fashionable opinion seems to be that of the Pope: Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.
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Postby Free Tristania » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:21 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No one is saying all whites are evil.

The fashionable opinion seems to be that of the Pope: Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.

Pretty much. Just read Salon (and put it next to Julius Streicher's Der Stürmer while substituting the word "Jude" (Jew) for "white man" for a much needed added effect.)

Some examples: http://www.salon.com/topic/white_men/
http://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/white_m ... t_partner/

And of course Michael Moore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stupid_White_Men

And I quote him:

Moore is heartened by the changing demographics of the United States. “Nearly 70% of the country is either female, people of color, or young adults between 18 and 35, or a combination of the three. The angry white guy is dying out, and the Census Bureau has already told us that by 2050, white people are going to be the minority, and I’m not sad to say I can’t wait for that day to happen. I hope I live long enough to see it because it will be a better country.”


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Let's not even begin to talk about Gysi who equated all Germans with Nazi's and celebrate the fact that they were replacing them or about Stefanie von Berg of the Greens who celebrated the fact that Germans were becoming a minority in Hamburg. I will quote both:

„Ich bin der Auffassung, dass wir in 20, 30 Jahren gar keine ethnischen Mehrheiten mehr haben in unserer Stadt.“ und nahm damit Bezug auf Ergebnisse der Migrationsforschung. In Richtung AfD fügte Sie noch an: „Das ist gut so!


("I am of the sentiment, that we in 20, 30 years we will no longer have the ethnic majority in our city." (She was refering to the migration rate) "and it's good that way")


Or to quote Gysi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRUL0m9IlFk
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Postby NeoOasis » Wed Sep 20, 2017 6:36 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:
If we tried replicating authentic™ food from the third world, we'd have outbreaks of deadly diseases and tons of cases of animal cruelty. Thank goodness for Western notions of hygiene.



The way that Halal meat is "authentically" made is already outlawed in some Western countries for its cruelty to animals.[/quote]


Same went for kosher I recall. Huge issues with some butchers in the EU after it was deemed that kosher slaughter is actually cruel to animals.

Not sure about outbreaks of deadly diseases from authentic foreign restaurants. But I do keep hearing about shit going down at Chipotle... which is very much westernized I recall... so much for that vaunted "Western notions of hygiene." I'd rather try the Indian curry shop down the road than chance Taco Bell again honestly. (Taco Bell... another gloriously Americanized chain with excellent hygiene practices such as licking taco shells.)
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