Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[San Lumen]

It's only "good" when there's a dominant culture that benefits everyone. Different values and beliefs do not mix well.

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

[Trumptonium]

Canada will not get any more diverse in certain suburbia (like Lawrence Park) or rural communities, so there's plenty of places to 'run away'. And there's a reasonable chance of a political paradigm shift in Canada to prevent this 'more and more' in the first place.

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There were 1,300,330 white persons living in Toronto CMA in 2006 census. The population of Toronto CMA at this time was 2,503,281.

There were 1,292,365 white persons living in Toronto in 2011 census. The population of Toronto CMA at this time was 2,615,060.

To clarify, just in case it is unclear, the population of Toronto as a whole has risen in the five year period of 2006-2011 substantially (4.4% rise), however the white population has fallen in the same period. Whites have went down from 52.5% of the population to 50.2% of the population.

Unfortunately Toronto being in a country with no ethnicity of it's own, it does not provide something akin to a "White Canadian", since of course there's many white Europeans moving to Canada and bumping up what would be an otherwise much larger fall in the native white Canadian population of Toronto.

This is just the effect of diversity. People who have the money buy their way out of it. People who do not, vote their way out of it. That's the way life works, and unless you're very left-wing or liberal, that's the way you will behave.

Toronto is no exception to the rule. The same is happening in metropolia all over the Western world. Take Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Vienna, Sydney, Melbourne, Arlington, Los Angeles, Marseilles, Manchester, Birmingham and especially Paris and London, where there's almost a two-for-one swap for a white and a non-white.*

It's just the way it is mate. The more non-natives move in, the more natives move out. People want to not only be safe but be around people similar to them.

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The white population of London was
1991: 5,333,580
2001: 4,287,861
2011: 3,669,284

As you can see, a dramatic fall of almost two million White British people moving out of London, or one third.

You'd expect a dramatic fall in the population, right?

Wrong, London's population is at a record high. (That's plus four million immigrants, for context.)
(1991: 6,679,699. 2011: 8,173,941)

What has changed is that white British people went down from 79% of the population to 45%, and those who stayed made their constituencies strongholds of Leave and of UKIP.

Its extremely unlikely that the trend of increasing diversity in Canada slows down or reverses. Places like Like London, Frankfurt and others you mentioned area going to become majority white again anytime soon. Its seems very racist to say people want to be safe and be around people like them.

I've never seen a larger and funnier ignoring of an entire post debunking your very incorrect theory then you randomly pulling "it'll become white again anyway" out of your backside

I think it's fair to say we disagree enough to the point where replying to each other on this thread is too pointless.

and i don't see how that's racist but ok.

[Flying Freedom]

It's only "good" when there's a dominant culture that benefits everyone. Different values and beliefs do not mix well.

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

I'm sure those terrorist attacks and rape had nothing to do with different cultural customs and beliefs.

[San Lumen]

Its extremely unlikely that the trend of increasing diversity in Canada slows down or reverses. Places like Like London, Frankfurt and others you mentioned area going to become majority white again anytime soon. Its seems very racist to say people want to be safe and be around people like them.

I've never seen a larger and funnier ignoring of an entire post debunking your very incorrect theory then you randomly pulling "it'll become white again anyway" out of your backside

I think it's fair to say we disagree enough to the point where replying to each other on this thread is too pointless.

How did i ignore it? You gave no evidence to back up your claims.

[Trumptonium]

It's only "good" when there's a dominant culture that benefits everyone. Different values and beliefs do not mix well.

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

i hope this is an ironic joke you're pulling on your beliefs in a form of self-depreciation?

London is the literal epitome of a failed diversity experiment in every measurement

[Taihei Tengoku]

It's only "good" when there's a dominant culture that benefits everyone. Different values and beliefs do not mix well.

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

Jersey City is a shithole

[Trumptonium]

You gave no evidence to back up your claims.

oh fuck me are you srs rn

[San Lumen]

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

i hope this is an ironic joke you're pulling on your beliefs in a form of self-depreciation?

London is the literal epitome of a failed diversity experiment in every measurement

How is London proof of that? And your claim that people vote their way of diversity or buy their way out is kinda ridiculous.

[San Lumen]

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

Jersey City is a shithole

No its not. I reside across the river from it.

[The Rich Port]

In what way? How does having Muslims in England, Canada or Germany for example dangerous to society?

Because some sects of Islam preach a morality radically different than those accepted in the West. One that can be considered illegal in some cases.

That is patently ridiculous. There are millions of Muslims outside of the Middle East. Very few of them are violent, nor has Islam spread to any law-changing degree to parts of the world where it isn't as prominent as in the Middle East.

ever been to Frankfurt, London, Jersey City, New York, Toronto. Perfect evidence that they do.

I'm sure those terrorist attacks and rape had nothing to do with different cultural customs and beliefs.

Considering that rapes and terrorist attacks are performed by non-Muslims as well, and not all Muslims are rapists and terrorists, then no, it isn't just a cultural difference.

[Blessed Empire of Xacilia]

i hope this is an ironic joke you're pulling on your beliefs in a form of self-depreciation?

London is the literal epitome of a failed diversity experiment in every measurement

How is London proof of that? And your claim that people vote their way of diversity or buy their way out is kinda ridiculous.

Their mayor literally said that terrorism is “part and parcel of living in a big city”. It's sickening how people fail to see the obvious.

[Trumptonium]

i hope this is an ironic joke you're pulling on your beliefs in a form of self-depreciation?

London is the literal epitome of a failed diversity experiment in every measurement

How is London proof of that? And your claim that people vote their way of diversity or buy their way out is kinda ridiculous.

find out yourself because i cba to re-quote what i already posted

[Blessed Empire of Xacilia]

Because some sects of Islam preach a morality radically different than those accepted in the West. One that can be considered illegal in some cases.

That is patently ridiculous. There are millions of Muslims outside of the Middle East. Very few of them are violent, nor has Islam spread to any law-changing degree to parts of the world where it isn't as prominent as in the Middle East.

I'm sure those terrorist attacks and rape had nothing to do with different cultural customs and beliefs.

Considering that rapes and terrorist attacks are performed by non-Muslims as well, and not all Muslims are rapists and terrorists, then no, it isn't just a cultural difference.

Except you don't see the govt and police covering up rape committed by natives. Sweden and Germany are doomed.

[San Lumen]

That is patently ridiculous. There are millions of Muslims outside of the Middle East. Very few of them are violent, nor has Islam spread to any law-changing degree to parts of the world where it isn't as prominent as in the Middle East.



Considering that rapes and terrorist attacks are performed by non-Muslims as well, and not all Muslims are rapists and terrorists, then no, it isn't just a cultural difference.

Except you don't see the govt and police covering up rape committed by natives. Sweden and Germany are doomed.

Sweden and Germany are far from doomed.

[The Rich Port]

That is patently ridiculous. There are millions of Muslims outside of the Middle East. Very few of them are violent, nor has Islam spread to any law-changing degree to parts of the world where it isn't as prominent as in the Middle East.



Considering that rapes and terrorist attacks are performed by non-Muslims as well, and not all Muslims are rapists and terrorists, then no, it isn't just a cultural difference.

Except you don't see the govt and police covering up rape committed by natives. Sweden and Germany are doomed.

If they're covered up, how do you know about them? Also, they're not doomed. They have right-wing insurgencies that are feeding into their basest fears.

America has had those for decades and they're only relevant now, because nobody understands the phrase "When we become afraid, the terrorists win".

[Taihei Tengoku]

Jersey City is a shithole

No its not. I reside across the river from it.

Its murder rate is twice the national average.

[The Rich Port]

No its not. I reside across the river from it.

Its murder rate is twice the national average.

And yet it's not even in the top 30 of cities with the highest murder rates per capita.

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/nation ... e3d.html#2

[Taihei Tengoku]

Its murder rate is twice the national average.

And yet it's not even in the top 30 of cities with the highest murder rates per capita.

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/nation ... e3d.html#2

Its murder rate is still twice (10.2) the national average (5.1).

[The Rich Port]

And yet it's not even in the top 30 of cities with the highest murder rates per capita.

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/nation ... e3d.html#2

Its murder rate is still twice (10.2) the national average (5.1).

... And? Nowhere near a shithole compared to the other cities.

The murder rate of St. Louis is TEN times the national average.

I suck at math.

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[Socialist Czechia]

Why in these debates people so much tend to mix racism with everything else?

Can people complaining all the time about racism even comprehend the idea of completely rational concerns about immigration?

btw.Patriotism/nationalism is also the entirely different thing you can't mix up, just like that. It makes some sense in post-imperial countries with history of conquests, slavery or colonialism, but it's very confusing with other nations, especially those who fought and lost so much for independence, be it Irishmen or Finns.
Do you know how insulting it can be, to put all patriots in one basket and call them racist and xenophobic and supremacists?

Some people could show more empathy in such cases, especially when there were bloody liberation wars, uprisings and genocides - of course, they are now more concerned about newcomers.

[Proctopeo]

Except you don't see the govt and police covering up rape committed by natives. Sweden and Germany are doomed.

If they're covered up, how do you know about them?

Because the cover-up was imperfect, obviously.

[Taihei Tengoku]

Its murder rate is still twice (10.2) the national average (5.1).

... And? Nowhere near a shithole compared to the other cities.

The murder rate of St. Louis is TEN times the national average.

I suck at math.

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Cool, they can be shitholes together.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Its seems very racist to say people want to be safe and be around people like them.

Of course, racist people exist.
Also, can someone explain to me how a non-white increase in an white area is bad, whether we become the majority or not?

[Grand Britannia]

You gave no evidence to back up your claims.

oh fuck me are you srs rn

Some people just pull an ostrich and just their heads in a hole when face with things they dislike.

[The Sauganash Union]

The US did this to half of the world for about 90 years.

What are you talking about?

Our immigration laws from the 1870s to the 1960s literally barred half the world from entering.