Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

Disappointed in your faith in how we wouldn't win a second time.

Also, we have the Commonwealth and Mommy UK backing us up.

>win again
>the War Of 1812 was a military stalemate

Also, as much as I like to think that an average Australian soldier, pilot or sailor could match any American one — I certain that we (the Commonwealth) would lose; merely because of numbers.

I thought the Commonwealth has the world's second largest country on its' side. In a contest of who could recover best from the attrition of the biggest barrage of flying sticks, with India it would be victorious.

[Taihei Tengoku]

solow curve qed

Japan and South Korea follow trend (Japan basically at the Western rate, South Korea on a slight lag), and the PRC is approaching the elbow as its labor pool begins to shrink. None of the three has had any appreciable increase in diversity--in fact the PRC is probably more homogenous now than in 1917 due to Simplified Chinese and Han colonization of the hinterlands. Singapore is far and away the wealthiest "real" (non-rentier) economy in the world and it was diverse before it was wealthy.

In a spergiastic sense yes the anticorrelation still exists but is the anticorrelation useful at all? I dunno really economic growth after the subsistence income bands depends on cities now which are 1) diverse 2) more productive than homogenous hinterlands 3) also outperform on other social indices

It is just... nothing.

Given the low level of productivity growth, some degree of immigration seems essential in developed countries which also have shrinking populations. But there doesn't seem to be any economic reason why guest workers cannot or should not be considered as an option to alleviate those shortages as opposed to more permanent migrants. And the recent tendency for western countries to give priority to undocumented, humanitarian and family class immigrants is downright irrational because these migrants tend to lack the skills to perform anything but the most menial jobs if they can work at all.

Canada, for example, has been unable to offset its ageing population at all despite constant, high immigration levels because of the extremely loose family reunification policies. So we have willingly deprived ourselves of one of the principal economic benefits of high immigration. Similarly, for most of the 20th-century, immigration levels in Canada were strongly procyclical in the 21st century linkage was broken and immigration simply remains high at all times, regardless of economic conditions.

A guest worker program works in the Gulf states since it's very cheap to jet over some Indians and it is much harder to get to Europe or the states than the UAE. One in the West makes no sense because it faces policy competition from other Western states--Japan has one and it still has a labor shortage even with a million of them. Why go to one that treats you like dirt while you can bear the same costs to go to one that treats you better?

Furthermore I suspect the political economy of guest workers (though this is just sophistry atm) limits productivity growth of the workers themselves. Most countries, especially since 1900, develop within one human lifetime and more recently one working lifetime. The productivity growth of the individual workers themselves matter, and by shutting them out of productivity-increasing institutions (i.e. the rest of society). Trying to sustain the current level of economic life by just mining tax revenue out of people misses the point on how we got here in the first place.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

I thought the Commonwealth has the world's second largest country on its' side. In a contest of who could recover best from the attrition of the biggest barrage of flying sticks, with India it would be victorious.

I don't have much faith in India, nor do I believe that we'd be throwing "flying sticks" at one another — I suspect it would be a more conventional war, with a particular focus upon aircraft. That's an uneducated guess though.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Disappointed in your faith in how we wouldn't win a second time.

Also, we have the Commonwealth and Mommy UK backing us up.

>win again
>the War Of 1812 was a military stalemate

Also, as much as I like to think that an average Australian soldier, pilot or sailor could match any American one — I certain that we (the Commonwealth) would lose; merely because of numbers.

Did the US annex us? No?

Then Canada won.

On the Commonwealth, South African National Defence Force and the Indian Armed Forces would be big forces at work.

[Austrasien]

DNA studies do not indicate that separate classifiable subspecies (races) exist within modern humans. While different genes for physical traits such as skin and hair color can be identified between individuals, no consistent patterns of genes across the human genome exist to distinguish one race from another. There also is no genetic basis for divisions of human ethnicity.

Species are not defined genetically. There is no single absolute definition of species. You would think the Human Genome Project would know this (well they do, but acknowledging it would undermine their attempt to make a political point). This has not caused taxonomy to collapse in a heap of existential confusion.

For centuries, scholars have sought to comprehend patterns in nature by classifying living things. The only living species in the human family, Homo sapiens, has become a highly diversified global array of populations. The geographic pattern of genetic variation within this array is complex, and presents no major discontinuity. Humanity cannot be classified into discrete geographic categories with absolute boundaries. Furthermore, the complexities of human history make it difficult to determine the position of certain groups in classifications. Multiplying subcategories cannot correct the inadequacies of these classifications.

This is also true of say, fish. Truer actually because fish are a highly diverse group with no common ancestor and great physical diversity. But it is easy to talk about fish and to recognize fish when you see them and there is no controversy about the existence of fish.

With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

Scientific Consensus follows the above. If you do not follow it, and you're most certainly not a scientist in that field, than your idea of such is increasingly invalid.

It is a meaningless point. In a population with one million traits a subpopulation can be defined by just one trait, if that trait is significant. I could for example talk coherently of every human with more than ten fingers, devise tests for them, search for common factors that might cause extra fingers and so on. Even though they may share no single common trait at all and share far more traits with the rest of the human population.

"While cranial capacity is an accurate measure of brain size, the fallacy was in assuming that a larger cranial capacity (and brain) correlates with higher intelligence. The size of the brain itself is not a measure of intelligence."

"Increasingly, evidence has been suggesting that environment plays a large role in IQ. This started with the discovery of the Flynn effect — the realization that national average IQ scores were increasing over time at a rate much faster than could be explained by genetics (and, interestingly, ethnic minorities were often making the biggest leaps)." http://www.intelltheory.com/flynneffect.shtml - http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/st ... /flynn.pdf

"Essentially, some degree of genetically-determined IQ exists, but the degree to which it develops is dependent on how intellectually-stimulating their environment as children is." - https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u ... _2003_.pdf - " ther explanations, such as the stereotype threat, racial discrimination in the education system, lack of funding for schools in poor areas, more talented teachers avoiding teaching at schools in poor areas, and even differences in diet have been offered."

In the end: Adaption doesn't work like that. But on with the show!

Stereotype threat is discredited junk science.

And the Flynn effect is halting.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Disappointed in your faith in how you think we wouldn't win a second time.

Also, we have the Commonwealth and Mommy UK backing us up.

The US was much, much weaker back then.

And even then, they came awfully close to occupying Upper Canada.

Nowadays, with the sheer size and strength of the US military, I doubt we'd last a week.

We could always do a Stalingrad.

Retreat north, let the cold defeat them for us.

[Sanctissima]

The US was much, much weaker back then.

And even then, they came awfully close to occupying Upper Canada.

Nowadays, with the sheer size and strength of the US military, I doubt we'd last a week.

We could always do a Stalingrad.

Retreat north, let the cold defeat them for us.

True.

We'd lose almost all our major cities though, considering where they are in relation to the border.

Either way, I guess guerrilla warfare and scorched earth are our only real options.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Did the US annex us? No?

Then Canada won.[...]

Neither side, to my knowledge, achieved their objectives — the invasion conducted by the USA failed, and the invasion conducted by Canada failed. The war resulted in a 'Status quo ante bellum' for the USA.

[...]On the Commonwealth, South African National Defence Force and the Indian Armed Forces would be big forces at work.

Like I said before, I have little faith in the Indian Armed Forces. South Africa is the only one, out of those two, that I have any faith in.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

We could always do a Stalingrad.

Retreat north, let the cold defeat them for us.

True.

We'd lose almost all our major cities though, considering where they are in relation to the border.

Either way, I guess guerrilla warfare and scorched earth are our only real options.

I mean, we could maintain our peaceful relationship we have had with the US for over a hundred years, that is always an option.

Besides, we get to kick there ass at hockey every winter Olympics, so it's a fair trade.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Did the US annex us? No?

Then Canada won.[...]

Neither side, to my knowledge, achieved their objectives — the invasion conducted by the USA failed, and the invasion conducted by Canada failed. The war resulted in a 'Status quo ante bellum' for the USA.

[...]On the Commonwealth, South African National Defence Force and the Indian Armed Forces would be big forces at work.

Like I said before, I have little faith in the Indian Armed Forces. South Africa is the only one, out of those two, that I have any faith in.

They failed to annex us, so we win.

India has nukes and the second biggest active Military personal

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

It works in Canada.

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

What are you talking about?

We are not compromised.

[New haven america]

The US was much, much weaker back then.

And even then, they came awfully close to occupying Upper Canada.

Nowadays, with the sheer size and strength of the US military, I doubt we'd last a week.

We could always do a Stalingrad.

Retreat north, let the cold defeat them for us.

You act as if we don't understand the cold when that is far from the truth.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

They failed to annex us, so we win.[...]

Do you know what a stalemate is? The 'Treaty Of Ghent', signed by both the US of A, and the UK, ended the war by restoring the borders to their original positions — neither side gained anything, nor did any side lose anything (besides the men, ammunition and funds used in the war); both invasions, conducted by each respective party, failed.

[...]India has nukes and the second biggest active Military personal

It isn't their numbers that I lack faith in. It is their training, equipment, willingness to fight the USA and willingness to fight for the Commonwealth that I suspect.

[Tekeristan]

Species are not defined genetically. There is no single absolute definition of species. You would think the Human Genome Project would know this (well they do, but acknowledging it would undermine their attempt to make a political point). This has not caused taxonomy to collapse in a heap of existential confusion.

Species: a group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding.
Can a black person have a fertile child easily with a non-black person? Yes.
There is no absolute definition, but the ability to produce fertile young is an integral part of such.
In genetic definition? Genes play a part, as do behaviors and physical appearances, they can have effect on judgement if they are radical enough. But reproduction is based on genetics, and if the combination of such can produce fertile young.

"Humans are not split into subspecies" = Making a Political point, apparently. To "Racialists", I suppose it is.

This is also true of say, fish. Truer actually because fish are a highly diverse group with no common ancestor and great physical diversity. But it is easy to talk about fish and to recognize fish when you see them and there is no controversy about the existence of fish.

What does this have to deal with this? There are different kinds of fish, yes, but they can't reproduce like I said above, and they have differing organs, features, and instincts..

Scientific Consensus follows the above. If you do not follow it, and you're most certainly not a scientist in that field, than your idea of such is increasingly invalid.

It is a meaningless point. In a population with one million traits a subpopulation can be defined by just one trait, if that trait is significant. I could for example talk coherently of every human with more than ten fingers, devise tests for them, search for common factors that might cause extra fingers and so on. Even though they may share no single common trait at all and share far more traits with the rest of the human population.

Specific categories like such can and do exist, yes, but the over-all terms of what details people often give to vague concepts such as race, are too broad to be specific, and often isn't even useful medically.

Here's another quote from the Genome Project.
"'Race' and 'ethnicity' are poorly defined terms that serve as flawed surrogates for multiple environmental and genetic factors in disease causation, including ancestral geographic origins, socioeconomic status, education and access to health care."
In addition, the various definitions for what people considered to be what race has changed, often times in accordance to wars and so forth, but in total broadening views.

"While cranial capacity is an accurate measure of brain size, the fallacy was in assuming that a larger cranial capacity (and brain) correlates with higher intelligence. The size of the brain itself is not a measure of intelligence."

"Increasingly, evidence has been suggesting that environment plays a large role in IQ. This started with the discovery of the Flynn effect — the realization that national average IQ scores were increasing over time at a rate much faster than could be explained by genetics (and, interestingly, ethnic minorities were often making the biggest leaps)." http://www.intelltheory.com/flynneffect.shtml - http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/st ... /flynn.pdf

"Essentially, some degree of genetically-determined IQ exists, but the degree to which it develops is dependent on how intellectually-stimulating their environment as children is." - https://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u ... _2003_.pdf - " ther explanations, such as the stereotype threat, racial discrimination in the education system, lack of funding for schools in poor areas, more talented teachers avoiding teaching at schools in poor areas, and even differences in diet have been offered."

In the end: Adaption doesn't work like that. But on with the show!

Stereotype threat is discredited junk science.

And the Flynn effect is halting.

This isn't about stereotypes as it is about literal, actual inequalities in things such as schooling and oppertunity.
For example: Black people are tall and play basketball.
Counter: The Dutch are actually the tallest nationality.
I do not care for that. Recognize it? Sure.

Flynn's effect, even if haulting, still occured and is occuring. But largely, it's halting in native populations.
In addition, it touches on different reasonings.

"Flynn argues that the abnormal drop in British teenage IQ could be due to youth culture having "stagnated" or even dumbed down."
"Lynn and Harvey have argued that the causes of the above are difficult to interpret since these countries have had significant recent immigration from countries with lower average national IQs." - Takes time to grow.
Educational changes, even cuts, also have factors. Hell, even the amount of exposure to lead and pollution has effect.

In addition, this is literally right under it.

"Also, if the Flynn effect has ended for the majority in developed nations, it may still continue for minorities, especially for groups like immigrants where many may have received poor nutrition during early childhood or have had other disadvantages. A study in the Netherlands found that children of non-Western immigrants had improvements for g, educational achievements, and work proficiency compared to their parents, although there were still remaining differences compared to ethnic Dutch."

My end point?
"Race as biology is fiction, racism as a social problem is real."
—Smedley and Smedley 2005

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

We could always do a Stalingrad.

Retreat north, let the cold defeat them for us.

You act as if we don't understand the cold, but that is far from the truth.

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

[Tekeristan]

You act as if we don't understand the cold, but that is far from the truth.

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

"Send in the Minnesotan Brigade.."

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

"Send in the Minnesotan Brigade.."

"There guns are frozen. And they are pined down by a sniper three clicks away."

[New haven america]

You act as if we don't understand the cold, but that is far from the truth.

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

You seem to forget this, this, and this exists...

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

They failed to annex us, so we win.[...]

Do you know what a stalemate is? The 'Treaty Of Ghent', signed by both the US of A, and the UK, ended the war by restoring the borders to their original positions — neither side gained anything, nor did any side lose anything (besides the men, ammunition and funds used in the war); both invasions, conducted by each respective party, failed.

[...]India has nukes and the second biggest active Military personal

It isn't their numbers that I lack faith in. It is their training, equipment, willingness to fight the USA and willingness to fight for the Commonwealth that I suspect.

I know what it is. But they failed an objective and where put into a stalemate beacuse there ass got kicked across the St. Laurence.

They seem to be fairly well equipped, there ships look really cool.

[Proctopeo]

You act as if we don't understand the cold, but that is far from the truth.

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

Our lowest-recorded temperature is barely warmer than Canada's.
We also have many cold states, and many states that become cold when it's winter.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

I thought the Commonwealth has the world's second largest country on its' side. In a contest of who could recover best from the attrition of the biggest barrage of flying sticks, with India it would be victorious.

I don't have much faith in India, nor do I believe that we'd be throwing "flying sticks" at one another — I suspect it would be a more conventional war, with a particular focus upon aircraft. That's an uneducated guess though.

Well, that was just a hypothetical type of combat in which having more people to lose to flying stick attacks might be helpful.
Otherwise then yes, in this "who would win" assuming we're not all instafucked by nuclear weapons the US might be able to unify the English-speaking world.

[New haven america]

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

Our lowest-recorded temperature is barely warmer than Canada's.
We also have many cold states, and many states that become cold when it's winter.

We also hold the world record for most extreme temperature changes.

[Minzerland II]

Do you know what a stalemate is? The 'Treaty Of Ghent', signed by both the US of A, and the UK, ended the war by restoring the borders to their original positions — neither side gained anything, nor did any side lose anything (besides the men, ammunition and funds used in the war); both invasions, conducted by each respective party, failed.



It isn't their numbers that I lack faith in. It is their training, equipment, willingness to fight the USA and willingness to fight for the Commonwealth that I suspect.

I know what it is. But they failed an objective and where put into a stalemate because there ass got kicked across the St. Laurence.

They seem to be fairly well equipped, there ships look really cool.

If I'm not mistaken, the British were also repulsed.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

You seem to forget this, this, and this exists...

About the same as Montana Right next door to Alaska so about the same.

Both of them beat anything Minnesota can throw at them.

So, you can handle -40 temperatures?

Our lowest-recorded temperature is barely warmer than Canada's.
We also have many cold states, and many states that become cold when it's winter.

Yeah, but how often is that temperature going to come up?

And statistically, solders from the southern warmer states would show up, not Montana or Alaska.

Someone from Washington would get frozen in the colder areas of Saskatchewan before they got anywhere near the NWT.

Also Saskatchewan is flat, so all we need to do is put up snipers on buildings and just win.

But of course, you guys know I like the US right? I don't want to declare war on it.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Our lowest-recorded temperature is barely warmer than Canada's.
We also have many cold states, and many states that become cold when it's winter.

We also hold the world record for most extreme temperature changes.

The north is contently cold.

The WR means nothing if it isn't consistent.