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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:35 pm

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San Lumen wrote:Why should it go down? You've failed to explain how immigration is a threat to you.

Systematic replacement and making the locals be outnumbered is bad. I will not live in Africa or the middle east. Doesn't mean immigrants are bad many are nice many are bad its the amount they are coming in and from bad parts of the world largely. Not all cultures are equal I would rather say loads of Tibetans come than Somalians as well for example hence the points I made however in either case Britain is for Britain so I want a Japan style policy on immigration


again why should weather you get to immigrate be based on your job skills or education. My Great Grandfather immigrated to the US with uncle from Romania to escape the pogroms. He wasn;'t supremely educated and didn't have mega job skills. Under a merit based system like what Japan he wouldn't have been allowed in and I would not be typing this.

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A regional and middle power, Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, being the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector, and a growing services sector. The Pakistani economy is the 24th-largest in the world in terms of purchasing power and the 41st-largest in terms of nominal GDP (World Bank). It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world, and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle classes.

The armed forces of Pakistan are the eighth largest in the world

In recent years, after decades of social instability, as of 2013, serious deficiencies in macromanagement and unbalanced macroeconomics in basic services such as rail transportation and electrical energy generation have developed. The economy is considered to be semi-industrialized, with centres of growth along the Indus River. The diversified economies of Karachi and Punjab's urban centres coexist with less-developed areas in other parts of the country, particularly in Balochistan. According to the Economic complexity index, Pakistan is the 67th-largest export economy in the world and the 106th most complex economy. During the fiscal year 2015–16, Pakistan's exports stood at US$20.81 billion and imports at US$44.76 billion, resulting in a negative trade balance of US$23.96 billion.

As of 2016 Pakistan's estimated nominal GDP is US$271 billion. The GDP by PPP is US$946,667 million. The estimated nominal per capita GDP is US$1,561, the GDP (PPP)/capita is US$5,010 (international dollars), and the debt-to-GDP ratio is 66.50%. According to the World Bank, Pakistan has important strategic endowments and development potential. The increasing proportion of Pakistan's youth provides the country with both a potential demographic dividend and a challenge to provide adequate services and employment. 21.04% of the population live below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day. The unemployment rate among the aged 15 and over population is 5.5%. Pakistan has an estimated 40 million middle class citizens, projected to increase to 100 million by 2050. A 2015 report published by the World Bank ranked Pakistan's economy at 24th-largest in the world by purchasing power and 41st-largest in absolute terms. It is South Asia's second-largest economy, representing about 15.0% of regional GDP.

Pakistan's economic growth since its inception has been varied. It has been slow during periods of democratic transition, but robust during the three periods of martial law, although the foundation for sustainable and equitable growth was not formed. The early to middle 2000s was a period of rapid economic reforms; the government raised development spending, which reduced poverty levels by 10% and increased GDP by 3%. The economy cooled again from 2007. Inflation reached 25.0% in 2008, and Pakistan had to depend on a fiscal policy backed by the International Monetary Fund to avoid possible bankruptcy. A year later, the Asian Development Bank reported that Pakistan's economic crisis was easing. The inflation rate for the fiscal year 2010–11 was 14.1%. Since 2013, as part of an International Monetary Fund program, Pakistan's economic growth has picked up. In 2014 Goldman Sachs predicted that Pakistan's economy would grow 15 times in the next 35 years to become the 18th-largest economy in the world by 2050. In his 2016 book, The Rise and Fall of Nations, Ruchir Sharma termed Pakistan's economy as at a 'take-off' stage and the future outlook until 2020 has been termed 'Very Good'. Sharma termed it possible to transform Pakistan from a "low-income to a middle-income country during the next five years".

Developments in science and technology have played an important role in Pakistan's infrastructure and helped the country connect to the rest of the world. Every year, scientists from around the world are invited by the Pakistan Academy of Sciences and the Pakistan Government to participate in the International Nathiagali Summer College on Physics. Pakistan hosted an international seminar on "Physics in Developing Countries" for the International Year of Physics 2005. Pakistani theoretical physicist Abdus Salam won a Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the electroweak interaction. Influential publications and critical scientific work in the advancement of mathematics, biology, economics, computer science, and genetics have been produced by Pakistani scientists at both the domestic and international levels.

In chemistry, Salimuzzaman Siddiqui was the first Pakistani scientist to bring the therapeutic constituents of the neem tree to the attention of natural products chemists. Pakistani neurosurgeon Ayub Ommaya invented the Ommaya reservoir, a system for treatment of brain tumours and other brain conditions. Scientific research and development plays a pivotal role in Pakistani universities, government- sponsored national laboratories, science parks, and the industry. Abdul Qadeer Khan, regarded as the founder of the HEU-based gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment program for Pakistan's integrated atomic bomb project. He founded and established the Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) in 1976, serving as both its senior scientist and the Director-General until his retirement in 2001, and he was an early and vital figure in other science projects. Apart from participating in Pakistan's atomic bomb project, he made major contributions in molecular morphology, physical martensite, and its integrated applications in condensed and material physics.

In 2010 Pakistan was ranked 43rd in the world in terms of published scientific papers. The Pakistan Academy of Sciences, a strong scientific community, plays an influential and vital role in formulating recommendations regarding science policies for the government.

The 1960s saw the emergence of an active space program led by SUPARCO that produced advances in domestic rocketry, electronics, and aeronomy. The space program recorded a few notable feats and achievements. The successful launch of its first rocket into space made Pakistan the first South Asian country to have achieved such a task. Successfully producing and launching the nation's first space satellite in 1990, Pakistan became the first Muslim country and second South Asian country to put a satellite into space.

At the time of the establishment of Pakistan as a state, the country had only one university, Punjab University in Lahore. Very soon the Pakistan government established public universities in each of the four provinces, including Sindh University (1949), Peshawar University (1950), Karachi University (1953), and Balochistan University (1970). Pakistan has a large network of both public and private universities, which includes collaboration between the universities aimed at providing research and higher education opportunities in the country, although there is concern about the low quality of teaching in many of the newer schools. It is estimated that there are 3,193 technical and vocational institutions in Pakistan, and there are also madrassahs that provide free Islamic education and offer free board and lodging to students, who come mainly from the poorer strata of society. Strong public pressure and popular criticism over extremists' usage of madrassahs for recruitment, the Pakistan government has made repeated efforts to regulate and monitor the quality of education in the madrassahs.

Education in Pakistan is divided into six main levels: nursery (preparatory classes); primary (grades one through five); middle (grades six through eight); matriculation (grades nine and ten, leading to the secondary certificate); intermediate (grades eleven and twelve, leading to a higher secondary certificate); and university programmes leading to graduate and postgraduate degrees. There is a network of private schools that constitutes a parallel secondary education system based on a curriculum set and administered by the Cambridge International Examinations of the United Kingdom. Some students choose to take the O-level and A level exams conducted by the British Council. According to the International Schools Consultancy, Pakistan has 439 international schools.

As a result of initiatives taken in 2007, the English medium education has been made compulsory in all schools across the country. Additional reforms enacted in 2013 required all educational institutions in Sindh to begin offering Chinese language courses, reflecting China's growing role as a superpower and its increasing influence in Pakistan. The literacy rate of the population is ~58 %. The rate of male literacy is ~70.2% while the rate of female literacy is 46.3%. Literacy rates vary by region and particularly by sex; as one example, female literacy in tribal areas is 3.0%. With the advent of computer literacy in 1995, the government launched a nationwide initiative in 1998 with the aim of eradicating illiteracy and providing a basic education to all children. Through various educational reforms, by 2015 the Ministry of Education expected to attain 100.00% enrolment levels among children of primary school age and a literacy rate of ~86% among people aged over 10. Pakistan is currently spending 2.2 percent of its GDP on education; which according to the Institute of Social and Policy Sciences is one of the lowest in South Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan
Pakistan doesn't seem to be doing all that bad to me imo. Yes, there are problems that need to be fixed, but to call Pakistan a "sh*thole" is a stretch imo.
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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:43 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
A regional and middle power, Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, being the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector, and a growing services sector. The Pakistani economy is the 24th-largest in the world in terms of purchasing power and the 41st-largest in terms of nominal GDP (World Bank). It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world, and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle classes.

The armed forces of Pakistan are the eighth largest in the world

In recent years, after decades of social instability, as of 2013, serious deficiencies in macromanagement and unbalanced macroeconomics in basic services such as rail transportation and electrical energy generation have developed. The economy is considered to be semi-industrialized, with centres of growth along the Indus River. The diversified economies of Karachi and Punjab's urban centres coexist with less-developed areas in other parts of the country, particularly in Balochistan. According to the Economic complexity index, Pakistan is the 67th-largest export economy in the world and the 106th most complex economy. During the fiscal year 2015–16, Pakistan's exports stood at US$20.81 billion and imports at US$44.76 billion, resulting in a negative trade balance of US$23.96 billion.

As of 2016 Pakistan's estimated nominal GDP is US$271 billion. The GDP by PPP is US$946,667 million. The estimated nominal per capita GDP is US$1,561, the GDP (PPP)/capita is US$5,010 (international dollars), and the debt-to-GDP ratio is 66.50%. According to the World Bank, Pakistan has important strategic endowments and development potential. The increasing proportion of Pakistan's youth provides the country with both a potential demographic dividend and a challenge to provide adequate services and employment. 21.04% of the population live below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day. The unemployment rate among the aged 15 and over population is 5.5%. Pakistan has an estimated 40 million middle class citizens, projected to increase to 100 million by 2050. A 2015 report published by the World Bank ranked Pakistan's economy at 24th-largest in the world by purchasing power and 41st-largest in absolute terms. It is South Asia's second-largest economy, representing about 15.0% of regional GDP.

Pakistan's economic growth since its inception has been varied. It has been slow during periods of democratic transition, but robust during the three periods of martial law, although the foundation for sustainable and equitable growth was not formed. The early to middle 2000s was a period of rapid economic reforms; the government raised development spending, which reduced poverty levels by 10% and increased GDP by 3%. The economy cooled again from 2007. Inflation reached 25.0% in 2008, and Pakistan had to depend on a fiscal policy backed by the International Monetary Fund to avoid possible bankruptcy. A year later, the Asian Development Bank reported that Pakistan's economic crisis was easing. The inflation rate for the fiscal year 2010–11 was 14.1%. Since 2013, as part of an International Monetary Fund program, Pakistan's economic growth has picked up. In 2014 Goldman Sachs predicted that Pakistan's economy would grow 15 times in the next 35 years to become the 18th-largest economy in the world by 2050. In his 2016 book, The Rise and Fall of Nations, Ruchir Sharma termed Pakistan's economy as at a 'take-off' stage and the future outlook until 2020 has been termed 'Very Good'. Sharma termed it possible to transform Pakistan from a "low-income to a middle-income country during the next five years".

Developments in science and technology have played an important role in Pakistan's infrastructure and helped the country connect to the rest of the world. Every year, scientists from around the world are invited by the Pakistan Academy of Sciences and the Pakistan Government to participate in the International Nathiagali Summer College on Physics. Pakistan hosted an international seminar on "Physics in Developing Countries" for the International Year of Physics 2005. Pakistani theoretical physicist Abdus Salam won a Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the electroweak interaction. Influential publications and critical scientific work in the advancement of mathematics, biology, economics, computer science, and genetics have been produced by Pakistani scientists at both the domestic and international levels.

In chemistry, Salimuzzaman Siddiqui was the first Pakistani scientist to bring the therapeutic constituents of the neem tree to the attention of natural products chemists. Pakistani neurosurgeon Ayub Ommaya invented the Ommaya reservoir, a system for treatment of brain tumours and other brain conditions. Scientific research and development plays a pivotal role in Pakistani universities, government- sponsored national laboratories, science parks, and the industry. Abdul Qadeer Khan, regarded as the founder of the HEU-based gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment program for Pakistan's integrated atomic bomb project. He founded and established the Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) in 1976, serving as both its senior scientist and the Director-General until his retirement in 2001, and he was an early and vital figure in other science projects. Apart from participating in Pakistan's atomic bomb project, he made major contributions in molecular morphology, physical martensite, and its integrated applications in condensed and material physics.

In 2010 Pakistan was ranked 43rd in the world in terms of published scientific papers. The Pakistan Academy of Sciences, a strong scientific community, plays an influential and vital role in formulating recommendations regarding science policies for the government.

The 1960s saw the emergence of an active space program led by SUPARCO that produced advances in domestic rocketry, electronics, and aeronomy. The space program recorded a few notable feats and achievements. The successful launch of its first rocket into space made Pakistan the first South Asian country to have achieved such a task. Successfully producing and launching the nation's first space satellite in 1990, Pakistan became the first Muslim country and second South Asian country to put a satellite into space.

At the time of the establishment of Pakistan as a state, the country had only one university, Punjab University in Lahore. Very soon the Pakistan government established public universities in each of the four provinces, including Sindh University (1949), Peshawar University (1950), Karachi University (1953), and Balochistan University (1970). Pakistan has a large network of both public and private universities, which includes collaboration between the universities aimed at providing research and higher education opportunities in the country, although there is concern about the low quality of teaching in many of the newer schools. It is estimated that there are 3,193 technical and vocational institutions in Pakistan, and there are also madrassahs that provide free Islamic education and offer free board and lodging to students, who come mainly from the poorer strata of society. Strong public pressure and popular criticism over extremists' usage of madrassahs for recruitment, the Pakistan government has made repeated efforts to regulate and monitor the quality of education in the madrassahs.

Education in Pakistan is divided into six main levels: nursery (preparatory classes); primary (grades one through five); middle (grades six through eight); matriculation (grades nine and ten, leading to the secondary certificate); intermediate (grades eleven and twelve, leading to a higher secondary certificate); and university programmes leading to graduate and postgraduate degrees. There is a network of private schools that constitutes a parallel secondary education system based on a curriculum set and administered by the Cambridge International Examinations of the United Kingdom. Some students choose to take the O-level and A level exams conducted by the British Council. According to the International Schools Consultancy, Pakistan has 439 international schools.

As a result of initiatives taken in 2007, the English medium education has been made compulsory in all schools across the country. Additional reforms enacted in 2013 required all educational institutions in Sindh to begin offering Chinese language courses, reflecting China's growing role as a superpower and its increasing influence in Pakistan. The literacy rate of the population is ~58 %. The rate of male literacy is ~70.2% while the rate of female literacy is 46.3%. Literacy rates vary by region and particularly by sex; as one example, female literacy in tribal areas is 3.0%. With the advent of computer literacy in 1995, the government launched a nationwide initiative in 1998 with the aim of eradicating illiteracy and providing a basic education to all children. Through various educational reforms, by 2015 the Ministry of Education expected to attain 100.00% enrolment levels among children of primary school age and a literacy rate of ~86% among people aged over 10. Pakistan is currently spending 2.2 percent of its GDP on education; which according to the Institute of Social and Policy Sciences is one of the lowest in South Asia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan
Pakistan doesn't seem to be doing all that bad to me imo. Yes, there are problems that need to be fixed, but to call Pakistan a "sh*thole" is a stretch imo.

Pakistan is a backwards dictatorship that stones rape victims to death and persecutes religious minorities include other Muslims they consider heretics with a big army. They are like a slightly improved North Korea. Its also poverty ridden and they have messed up systems such as revenge rapes where if someone rapes some then they rape the guy and his whole family for example. You don't see many people desperate to migrate to Pakistan

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Systematic replacement and making the locals be outnumbered is bad. I will not live in Africa or the middle east. Doesn't mean immigrants are bad many are nice many are bad its the amount they are coming in and from bad parts of the world largely. Not all cultures are equal I would rather say loads of Tibetans come than Somalians as well for example hence the points I made however in either case Britain is for Britain so I want a Japan style policy on immigration


again why should weather you get to immigrate be based on your job skills or education. My Great Grandfather immigrated to the US with uncle from Romania to escape the pogroms. He wasn;'t supremely educated and didn't have mega job skills. Under a merit based system like what Japan he wouldn't have been allowed in and I would not be typing this.

The USA is huge we are a tiny Island with our own issues. The NHS is underfunded, we have homeless people, homeless soldiers betrayed by the government who happily give many to migrants with loads of kids but abandon heroes that did everything for their country, we have unemployment and so on charity starts at home and one or 2 Romanians is not the same as mass migration from the 3rd world which is imported with an agenda and many noble people are fighting or fixing their country back in the troubled places like all those brave Syrians and Lebanese fighting ISIS and Israel.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:48 pm

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San Lumen wrote:
again why should weather you get to immigrate be based on your job skills or education. My Great Grandfather immigrated to the US with uncle from Romania to escape the pogroms. He wasn;'t supremely educated and didn't have mega job skills. Under a merit based system like what Japan he wouldn't have been allowed in and I would not be typing this.

The USA is huge we are a tiny Island with our own issues. The NHS is underfunded, we have homeless people, homeless soldiers betrayed by the government who happily give many to migrants with loads of kids but abandon heroes that did everything for their country, we have unemployment and so on charity starts at home and one or 2 Romanians is not the same as mass migration from the 3rd world which is imported with an agenda and many noble people are fighting or fixing their country back in the troubled places like all those brave Syrians and Lebanese fighting ISIS and Israel.

and what's that agenda? to eliminate white people?

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:49 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:The USA is huge we are a tiny Island with our own issues. The NHS is underfunded, we have homeless people, homeless soldiers betrayed by the government who happily give many to migrants with loads of kids but abandon heroes that did everything for their country, we have unemployment and so on charity starts at home and one or 2 Romanians is not the same as mass migration from the 3rd world which is imported with an agenda and many noble people are fighting or fixing their country back in the troubled places like all those brave Syrians and Lebanese fighting ISIS and Israel.

and what's that agenda? to eliminate white people?

The agenda seems to be to bomb and destroy the middle east and then send the 3rd world into destroy the west all by a certain group of people that want to expand Isreal

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:50 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:and what's that agenda? to eliminate white people?

The agenda seems to be to bomb and destroy the middle east and then send the 3rd world into destroy the west all by a certain group of people that want to expand Isreal

so your one of the people who believes in the white genocide nonsense and diversity is code for anti white?

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:The agenda seems to be to bomb and destroy the middle east and then send the 3rd world into destroy the west all by a certain group of people that want to expand Isreal

so your one of the people who believes in the white genocide nonsense and diversity is code for anti white?

I never said white genocide. I believe they are plans for gentile genocide evnetually

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:52 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:so your one of the people who believes in the white genocide nonsense and diversity is code for anti white?

I never said white genocide. I believe they are plans for gentile genocide evnetually

O RLY? What's your evidence? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:I never said white genocide. I believe they are plans for gentile genocide evnetually

O RLY? What's your evidence? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Their sustained attack on western people, their cold blooded mass murder of Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, and in the past in ww2 against the Germans and Japanese as well as the countries forced into fighting them that they coldly killed millions as well as all the people killed by the Soviets and communist Chinese they put in power. This is my guess and speculation based on what they did and how us gentiles are viewed as subhuman by them under their religion and culture
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:55 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:so your one of the people who believes in the white genocide nonsense and diversity is code for anti white?

I never said white genocide. I believe they are plans for gentile genocide evnetually

gentile genocide do you even know what a gentile is? What's your evidence?

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San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:I never said white genocide. I believe they are plans for gentile genocide evnetually

gentile genocide do you even know what a gentile is? What's your evidence?

A gentile is a non Jew

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:56 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:
A regional and middle power, Pakistan has the sixth-largest standing armed forces in the world and is also a nuclear power as well as a declared nuclear-weapons state, being the second in South Asia and the only nation in the Muslim world to have that status. Pakistan has a semi-industrialised economy with a well-integrated agriculture sector, and a growing services sector. The Pakistani economy is the 24th-largest in the world in terms of purchasing power and the 41st-largest in terms of nominal GDP (World Bank). It is ranked among the emerging and growth-leading economies of the world, and is backed by one of the world's largest and fastest-growing middle classes.

The armed forces of Pakistan are the eighth largest in the world

In recent years, after decades of social instability, as of 2013, serious deficiencies in macromanagement and unbalanced macroeconomics in basic services such as rail transportation and electrical energy generation have developed. The economy is considered to be semi-industrialized, with centres of growth along the Indus River. The diversified economies of Karachi and Punjab's urban centres coexist with less-developed areas in other parts of the country, particularly in Balochistan. According to the Economic complexity index, Pakistan is the 67th-largest export economy in the world and the 106th most complex economy. During the fiscal year 2015–16, Pakistan's exports stood at US$20.81 billion and imports at US$44.76 billion, resulting in a negative trade balance of US$23.96 billion.

As of 2016 Pakistan's estimated nominal GDP is US$271 billion. The GDP by PPP is US$946,667 million. The estimated nominal per capita GDP is US$1,561, the GDP (PPP)/capita is US$5,010 (international dollars), and the debt-to-GDP ratio is 66.50%. According to the World Bank, Pakistan has important strategic endowments and development potential. The increasing proportion of Pakistan's youth provides the country with both a potential demographic dividend and a challenge to provide adequate services and employment. 21.04% of the population live below the international poverty line of US$1.25 a day. The unemployment rate among the aged 15 and over population is 5.5%. Pakistan has an estimated 40 million middle class citizens, projected to increase to 100 million by 2050. A 2015 report published by the World Bank ranked Pakistan's economy at 24th-largest in the world by purchasing power and 41st-largest in absolute terms. It is South Asia's second-largest economy, representing about 15.0% of regional GDP.

Pakistan's economic growth since its inception has been varied. It has been slow during periods of democratic transition, but robust during the three periods of martial law, although the foundation for sustainable and equitable growth was not formed. The early to middle 2000s was a period of rapid economic reforms; the government raised development spending, which reduced poverty levels by 10% and increased GDP by 3%. The economy cooled again from 2007. Inflation reached 25.0% in 2008, and Pakistan had to depend on a fiscal policy backed by the International Monetary Fund to avoid possible bankruptcy. A year later, the Asian Development Bank reported that Pakistan's economic crisis was easing. The inflation rate for the fiscal year 2010–11 was 14.1%. Since 2013, as part of an International Monetary Fund program, Pakistan's economic growth has picked up. In 2014 Goldman Sachs predicted that Pakistan's economy would grow 15 times in the next 35 years to become the 18th-largest economy in the world by 2050. In his 2016 book, The Rise and Fall of Nations, Ruchir Sharma termed Pakistan's economy as at a 'take-off' stage and the future outlook until 2020 has been termed 'Very Good'. Sharma termed it possible to transform Pakistan from a "low-income to a middle-income country during the next five years".

Developments in science and technology have played an important role in Pakistan's infrastructure and helped the country connect to the rest of the world. Every year, scientists from around the world are invited by the Pakistan Academy of Sciences and the Pakistan Government to participate in the International Nathiagali Summer College on Physics. Pakistan hosted an international seminar on "Physics in Developing Countries" for the International Year of Physics 2005. Pakistani theoretical physicist Abdus Salam won a Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on the electroweak interaction. Influential publications and critical scientific work in the advancement of mathematics, biology, economics, computer science, and genetics have been produced by Pakistani scientists at both the domestic and international levels.

In chemistry, Salimuzzaman Siddiqui was the first Pakistani scientist to bring the therapeutic constituents of the neem tree to the attention of natural products chemists. Pakistani neurosurgeon Ayub Ommaya invented the Ommaya reservoir, a system for treatment of brain tumours and other brain conditions. Scientific research and development plays a pivotal role in Pakistani universities, government- sponsored national laboratories, science parks, and the industry. Abdul Qadeer Khan, regarded as the founder of the HEU-based gas-centrifuge uranium enrichment program for Pakistan's integrated atomic bomb project. He founded and established the Kahuta Research Laboratories (KRL) in 1976, serving as both its senior scientist and the Director-General until his retirement in 2001, and he was an early and vital figure in other science projects. Apart from participating in Pakistan's atomic bomb project, he made major contributions in molecular morphology, physical martensite, and its integrated applications in condensed and material physics.

In 2010 Pakistan was ranked 43rd in the world in terms of published scientific papers. The Pakistan Academy of Sciences, a strong scientific community, plays an influential and vital role in formulating recommendations regarding science policies for the government.

The 1960s saw the emergence of an active space program led by SUPARCO that produced advances in domestic rocketry, electronics, and aeronomy. The space program recorded a few notable feats and achievements. The successful launch of its first rocket into space made Pakistan the first South Asian country to have achieved such a task. Successfully producing and launching the nation's first space satellite in 1990, Pakistan became the first Muslim country and second South Asian country to put a satellite into space.

At the time of the establishment of Pakistan as a state, the country had only one university, Punjab University in Lahore. Very soon the Pakistan government established public universities in each of the four provinces, including Sindh University (1949), Peshawar University (1950), Karachi University (1953), and Balochistan University (1970). Pakistan has a large network of both public and private universities, which includes collaboration between the universities aimed at providing research and higher education opportunities in the country, although there is concern about the low quality of teaching in many of the newer schools. It is estimated that there are 3,193 technical and vocational institutions in Pakistan, and there are also madrassahs that provide free Islamic education and offer free board and lodging to students, who come mainly from the poorer strata of society. Strong public pressure and popular criticism over extremists' usage of madrassahs for recruitment, the Pakistan government has made repeated efforts to regulate and monitor the quality of education in the madrassahs.

Education in Pakistan is divided into six main levels: nursery (preparatory classes); primary (grades one through five); middle (grades six through eight); matriculation (grades nine and ten, leading to the secondary certificate); intermediate (grades eleven and twelve, leading to a higher secondary certificate); and university programmes leading to graduate and postgraduate degrees. There is a network of private schools that constitutes a parallel secondary education system based on a curriculum set and administered by the Cambridge International Examinations of the United Kingdom. Some students choose to take the O-level and A level exams conducted by the British Council. According to the International Schools Consultancy, Pakistan has 439 international schools.

As a result of initiatives taken in 2007, the English medium education has been made compulsory in all schools across the country. Additional reforms enacted in 2013 required all educational institutions in Sindh to begin offering Chinese language courses, reflecting China's growing role as a superpower and its increasing influence in Pakistan. The literacy rate of the population is ~58 %. The rate of male literacy is ~70.2% while the rate of female literacy is 46.3%. Literacy rates vary by region and particularly by sex; as one example, female literacy in tribal areas is 3.0%. With the advent of computer literacy in 1995, the government launched a nationwide initiative in 1998 with the aim of eradicating illiteracy and providing a basic education to all children. Through various educational reforms, by 2015 the Ministry of Education expected to attain 100.00% enrolment levels among children of primary school age and a literacy rate of ~86% among people aged over 10. Pakistan is currently spending 2.2 percent of its GDP on education; which according to the Institute of Social and Policy Sciences is one of the lowest in South Asia

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Pakistan doesn't seem to be doing all that bad to me imo. Yes, there are problems that need to be fixed, but to call Pakistan a "sh*thole" is a stretch imo.

Pakistan is a backwards dictatorship that stones rape victims to death and persecutes religious minorities include other Muslims they consider heretics with a big army. They are like a slightly improved North Korea. Its also poverty ridden and they have messed up systems such as revenge rapes where if someone rapes some then they rape the guy and his whole family for example. You don't see many people desperate to migrate to Pakistan

All of what you just said is illegal in Pakistan (except the religious persecution, that happens unfortunately), and most Pakistani oppose and have protested against this. Also, Pakistan has the 2nd highest number of refugees after Turkey: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Pakistan, "Pakistan hosts the second largest refugee population globally after Turkey." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan
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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:58 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Pakistan is a backwards dictatorship that stones rape victims to death and persecutes religious minorities include other Muslims they consider heretics with a big army. They are like a slightly improved North Korea. Its also poverty ridden and they have messed up systems such as revenge rapes where if someone rapes some then they rape the guy and his whole family for example. You don't see many people desperate to migrate to Pakistan

All of what you just said is illegal in Pakistan (except the religious persecution, that happens unfortunately), and most Pakistani oppose and have protested against this. Also, Pakistan has the 2nd highest number of refugees after Turkey: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Pakistan, "Pakistan hosts the second largest refugee population globally after Turkey." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

Their government despite protests did make some pretty oppressed laws and have persecuted Hindus, Buddhists and Christians and "heretic" Muslims and when a moderate member of the government improves the law they are often assassinated by radicals.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:59 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:How?

In the case of Japan, the minorities "don't cause problems" is because the Japanese gov persecuted them. Which is usually what happens to minorities by a gov at some point

Thats just not true I grew up in Japan for 8 and a half years and they do not persecute minorities.

I said "persecuted", not persecute
Ultramarr wrote:You also say "Which is usually what happens to minorities by a gov at some point" which means that becoming a minority because of immigration is bad by your point too

Not in the case of Europeans coming to the Americas it wasn't. Same in the case of colonizing Africa and Asia.
But yes, you have a point. Minorities who become majorities shouldn't persecute the majority-turned-minority
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San Lumen wrote:Why should it go down? You've failed to explain how immigration is a threat to you.

Systematic replacement and making the locals be outnumbered is bad. I will not live in Africa or the middle east. Doesn't mean immigrants are bad many are nice many are bad its the amount they are coming in and from bad parts of the world largely. Not all cultures are equal I would rather say loads of Tibetans come than Somalians as well for example hence the points I made however in either case Britain is for Britain so I want a Japan style policy on immigration

The amount of people moving into an area doesn't make crime go up.
Also, about the culture of Somalia: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_of_Somalia
I don't see anything wrong from what I've read
And no one's being systematically replaced
Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:What are you talking about. What hypocrisy did I make?

In the next few decades, they are projected to be the majority of the US population.
Personally, I find that interesting.

Islamism =/= authoritarianism
Also, source?

There's only one kind of Al-Islam.

Vaguely. it was founded upon the invasion and subjegation of certain groups of people for the benefit of others.

Rape is not Islamic

Wtf Ultrmarr, Genivaria didn't say that

BLM's not a black nationalist group, nor are they a group.

Says who? Why are you looking at Native American life from a European perspective?

Except no one said that. Immigration =/= colonialism

Oh really?
Then provide proof of rape gangs and provide roof of how Genivaria supports them.

Refugees aren't being transported to the West by Western nations.

I mean, well, it could.
The UN has donated billions of dollars to help Iraq rebuild, for example.

Prove it

Destruction?

They aren't fleeing their culture per se, they're fleeing war.

Alright when I said Islamic rape gangs I meant rape gangs from Muslim countries perhaps migrant rape gangs is a better term. Also the UN "donated" money to Iraq after they lied about them and destroyed them because they opposed free masonary and Zionism and had their own centralised banks under the government so Israel and the USA wanted them gone

The UN for real donated money to Iraq pretty recently: http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/mid ... /140220182, http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/b ... 14406.html
And you have to answer those questions in that post of mine
Ultramarr wrote:mass migration from the 3rd world which is imported with an agenda

Not it's not
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:O RLY? What's your evidence? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Their sustained attack on western people, their cold blooded mass murder of Palestinians, Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, and in the past in ww2 against the Germans and Japanese as well as the countries forced into fighting them that they coldly killed millions as well as all the people killed by the Soviets and communist Chinese they put in power. This is my guess and speculation based on what they did and how us gentiles are viewed as subhuman by them under their religion and culture

1. Israel does not represent Jews in general
2. Jews did not put the Soviet and Communist Chinese leaders into power
3. WTF have you been smoking!?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:00 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:All of what you just said is illegal in Pakistan (except the religious persecution, that happens unfortunately), and most Pakistani oppose and have protested against this. Also, Pakistan has the 2nd highest number of refugees after Turkey: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Pakistan, "Pakistan hosts the second largest refugee population globally after Turkey." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

Their government despite protests did make some pretty oppressed laws and have persecuted Hindus, Buddhists and Christians and "heretic" Muslims and when a moderate member of the government improves the law they are often assassinated by radicals.

Yes, I know about the religious persecution in Pakistan. Also, I said that Pakistan wasn't perfect and needed lots of reforms.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ultramarr » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:01 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Their government despite protests did make some pretty oppressed laws and have persecuted Hindus, Buddhists and Christians and "heretic" Muslims and when a moderate member of the government improves the law they are often assassinated by radicals.

Yes, I know about the religious persecution in Pakistan. Also, I said that Pakistan wasn't perfect and needed lots of reforms.

Sadly the reformers are often assassinated and it goes back to square one

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:14 pm

Ultrmarr: Where did you look that makes you think Genivaria supports rape gangs?
Flaxxony: What hypocrisy statement did I say here?:
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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That's not a part of Shari'ah.

False. If that was the case, the Arab world would be doing ok.
The reason tyranny exists is because tyrants rule with an iron fist.


So why not "export" Americanism/Westernism out instead of in? See the hypocrisy here?

Trumptonium: What proof do you have that most Euro Muslims vote Islamist?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Borinsa » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:50 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Red Party wrote:Yes, just come in a massive fucking hord and destroy British or any other culture. I drink, the Brits drink, the Muslims don't. I'll be damned if just because 4 million muslims decided to immigrate from their gay hating countries to another, not gay hating country, they think that their policies can be enforced. Stay in your own damn home if you don't want to see men having sex with other men, and drinking. Simple, init? It doesn't belong.

You are so melodramatic.
"OH Look at me! I'm in your country destroying British culture!"
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He kind of is...saying that terror attacks have to be accepted as a normal risk of life than something that can be stopped
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:52 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You are so melodramatic.
"OH Look at me! I'm in your country destroying British culture!"
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He kind of is...saying that terror attacks have to be accepted as a normal risk of life than something that can be stopped


Unless you want a police state you cannot stop all terror attacks. Lone wolves are nearly impossible to stop.

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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:54 pm

Borinsa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You are so melodramatic.
"OH Look at me! I'm in your country destroying British culture!"
Image


He kind of is...saying that terror attacks have to be accepted as a normal risk of life than something that can be stopped

There is no simple solution to terrorism. Making back doors in millions of phones and Orwellian mass surveillance won't stop some dickheads from building a bomb in their basement.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:55 pm

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Borinsa wrote:
He kind of is...saying that terror attacks have to be accepted as a normal risk of life than something that can be stopped

There is no simple solution to terrorism. Making back doors in millions of phones and Orwellian mass surveillance won't stop some dickheads from building a bomb in their basement.

Exactly and not grounds to label an entire group of people and bar them from the country.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:58 pm

Btw, about you calling Pakistan a "dictatorship", here's an article about the Pakistani gov: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_of_Pakistan
Borinsa wrote:
Genivaria wrote:You are so melodramatic.
"OH Look at me! I'm in your country destroying British culture!"
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He kind of is...saying that terror attacks have to be accepted as a normal risk of life than something that can be stopped

Except he never said that attacks have to be accepted as normal
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