Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[The Rich Port]

Multiculturalism is a revolt against nature, that alienates us from who we truly are, like all other Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo. Ironically, would you suggest an en-masse migration of Greeks or Armenians to their former lands in what is now called Turkey, the Turks would be the first to object to that, Islamists and secularists alike.

Gee, kinda like you?

Nationalist racists think alike, I guess.

[Ultramarr]

I am talking here in the UK not America, America is up to the Americans. When I say money I mean give money to the poor families or build a school or hospital or something with a charity. You can help them in their country

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

And I oppose that because I love my country and oppose its destruction.

[San Lumen]

because its an absurd statement to make.

And with that, I have accepted that you have zero argument.

i have an argument im just not going to debate ridiculous statements like what you made.

[San Lumen]

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

And I oppose that because I love my country and oppose its destruction.

do tell me how your country is being destroyed by immigrants

[Genivaria]

Ah and now insulting my intelligence, variation is good.

Because you are a liar yes.

Denialist instead of skeptic implies that you have some shred of evidence for me to deny, instead I am skeptical of your repeated bullshit.

You might be a liar I get that and with your agenda. However Rotherham and Cologne are real cases. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/n ... -shameful/
Here you go bullshitter I get it your pro rape of Europe

You might be a liar I get that and with your agenda.

My agenda? Okey dokie.
Oh look a blog with absolutely no citations or sources.

[Ultramarr]

And I oppose that because I love my country and oppose its destruction.

do tell me how your country is being destroyed by immigrants

Not indivisual migrants but by the collective amounts of them especially from shitholes taking over swathes of the cities with their backwater culture they supposedly fled from.In parts of London British people are a minoirty

[San Lumen]

do tell me how your country is being destroyed by immigrants

Not indivisual migrants but by the collective amounts of them especially from shitholes taking over swathes of the cities with their backwater culture they supposedly fled from.In parts of London British people are a minoirty

How is their culture backwater to you? Because its not like yours? What defines British to you, white people?

[Ultramarr]

Not indivisual migrants but by the collective amounts of them especially from shitholes taking over swathes of the cities with their backwater culture they supposedly fled from.In parts of London British people are a minoirty

How is their culture backwater to you? Because its not like yours? What defines British to you, white people?

Native British people tend to be white(unless they are mixed race then it depends what their other side is) yes same way Nigerians are blacks apart from Albinos but you get the point. Doesn't mean foreign people cant became British but only a few should like what they do in Japan. Also not all white people are British the French are white but a separate nationality for example.

[San Lumen]

How is their culture backwater to you? Because its not like yours? What defines British to you, white people?

Native British people tend to be white(unless they are mixed race then it depends what their other side is) yes same way Nigerians are blacks apart from Albinos but you get the point. Doesn't mean foreign people cant became British but only a few should like what they do in Japan. Also not all white people are British the French are white but a separate nationality for example.

Why should it be limited to only a few? How is London being majority non white British a threat to you?

[Flaxxony]

Native British people tend to be white(unless they are mixed race then it depends what their other side is) yes same way Nigerians are blacks apart from Albinos but you get the point. Doesn't mean foreign people cant became British but only a few should like what they do in Japan. Also not all white people are British the French are white but a separate nationality for example.

Why should it be limited to only a few? How is London being majority non white British a threat to you?

Visit a native American reservation and ask them

[Ultramarr]

Native British people tend to be white(unless they are mixed race then it depends what their other side is) yes same way Nigerians are blacks apart from Albinos but you get the point. Doesn't mean foreign people cant became British but only a few should like what they do in Japan. Also not all white people are British the French are white but a separate nationality for example.

Why should it be limited to only a few? How is London being majority non white British a threat to you?

If I want to live in Africa or Pakistan I would have chose to live there. If you import the 3rd world you get the 3rd world. Some 3rd world people are nice but as a whole you mass import them then you bring the same thing as their crap countries like Somalia or Pakistan. I also believe every people deserve their own nation and that it should 95 percent more less native for a country unless they are those anomaly countries like in the new world or something. Any group of people that are outnumbering the locals are a threat. That's why most people don't have problems with Japanese or Austrians for example because they don't cause trouble and come in very small numbers

[Kubumba Tribe]

That's not a part of Shari'ah.

False. If that was the case, the Arab world would be doing ok.
The reason tyranny exists is because tyrants rule with an iron fist.

So why not "export" Americanism/Westernism out instead of in? See the hypocrisy here?

What are you talking about. What hypocrisy did I make?

Also, to drive one last nail into that pile of crap, Latinos were a vanishingly small percent of the total population even as recent as the 70s. They are now on track to plurality in the US.

In the next few decades, they are projected to be the majority of the US population.
Personally, I find that interesting.

Also, you're seriously questioning that they would want to live under authoritarianism when they have the liberties and freedoms afforded to them by the current government that ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION?

Going by the evidence of Muslims in Europe voting for parties such as Islamists in Belgium and Denk in Netherlands, yes an alarmingly high portion are fine with authoritarianism if it's in their advantage.

Islamism =/= authoritarianism
Also, source?

Also, yeah, they're free to practice the LOCAL version of Islam. Muslims who practice any other kind of Islam are fucked, and a major reason why so many people are fleeing ISIS and the wars in general is that they're worried they won't chalk up to their insane ideas of Muslimhood.

There's only one kind of Al-Islam.

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

Vaguely. it was founded upon the invasion and subjegation of certain groups of people for the benefit of others.

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Rape is not Islamic

Telling a lie a hundred times does not magically make it true.

Ok you might be a liar but I speak the truth. I am opposed to rape gangs unlike you

Wtf Ultrmarr, Genivaria didn't say that

Thank you! And yes... well... ironically, they seem to be okay with, if a bit unable to control, ethnic nationalism among blacks (BLM) and other minorities.

BLM's not a black nationalist group, nor are they a group.

So what you're saying is we should ban white people from immigrating.

They went after the Native Americans, and now they're coming after us.



Sounds like someone is an SJW who is overly sensitive and doesn't know what jokes are.

The natives lost too late they didn't build any proper nations end of story.

Says who? Why are you looking at Native American life from a European perspective?

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

Except no one said that. Immigration =/= colonialism

Ah doubling down on the lie, refusing to provide support for it, AND deploying a strawman.

You keep creeping in making stupid accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser

Oh really?
Then provide proof of rape gangs and provide roof of how Genivaria supports them.

FINALLY some fucking support.

No I do- oh wait you were just being rhetorical, goddamnit. *sigh*

Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer the west be colonizing the rest of the world than getting overrun by the world in their own countries.

The problem is that the western elite doesn't actually develop other parts of the world anymore, they just blow them to smithereens then transport in the refugees to the west

Refugees aren't being transported to the West by Western nations.

I am talking here in the UK not America, America is up to the Americans. When I say money I mean give money to the poor families or build a school or hospital or something with a charity. You can help them in their country

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

I mean, well, it could.
The UN has donated billions of dollars to help Iraq rebuild, for example.

your pro rape of Europe

Prove it

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

And I oppose that because I love my country and oppose its destruction.

Destruction?

do tell me how your country is being destroyed by immigrants

Not indivisual migrants but by the collective amounts of them especially from shitholes taking over swathes of the cities with their backwater culture they supposedly fled from.

They aren't fleeing their culture per se, they're fleeing war.

[San Lumen]

Why should it be limited to only a few? How is London being majority non white British a threat to you?

If I want to live in Africa or Pakistan I would have chose to live there. If you import the 3rd world you get the 3rd world. Some 3rd world people are nice but as a whole you mass import them then you bring the same thing as their crap countries like Somalia or Pakistan. I also believe every people deserve their own nation and that it should 95 percent more less native for a country unless they are those anomaly countries like in the new world or something. Any group of people that are outnumbering the locals are a threat. That's why most people don't have problems with Japanese or Austrians for example because they don't cause trouble and come in very small numbers

So only native people should be allowed to live in a country? Are African Americans or Black Britons who have been in the country hundreds of years not natives or less of a citizen to you?

And by calling people from certain countries trouble makers just because of what they look like is racism pure and simple

Should only those of the native ethnic majority be allowed to serve in elected office or be in public service jobs like firefighter or police officer?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Any group of people that are outnumbering the locals are a threat.

How?

That's why most people don't have problems with Japanese or Austrians for example because they don't cause trouble and come in very small numbers

In the case of Japan, the minorities "don't cause problems" is because the Japanese gov persecuted them. Which is usually what happens to minorities by a gov at some point

[Ultramarr]

If I want to live in Africa or Pakistan I would have chose to live there. If you import the 3rd world you get the 3rd world. Some 3rd world people are nice but as a whole you mass import them then you bring the same thing as their crap countries like Somalia or Pakistan. I also believe every people deserve their own nation and that it should 95 percent more less native for a country unless they are those anomaly countries like in the new world or something. Any group of people that are outnumbering the locals are a threat. That's why most people don't have problems with Japanese or Austrians for example because they don't cause trouble and come in very small numbers

So only native people should be allowed to live in a country? Are African Americans or Black Britons who have been in the country hundreds of years not natives or less of a citizen to you?

And by calling people from certain countries trouble makers just because of what they look like is racism pure and simple

Should only those of the native ethnic majority be allowed to serve in elected office or be in public service jobs like firefighter or police officer?

In America the situation is completely different and yes black Americans are American the same way the white South Africans are South Africans. As for Britain until recently they werent that many black Britons and yes the ones that lived for centuries are certainly citizens. Also they arent called trouble makers for their looks they do have very different crime rates. The Japanese or Tibetans they arent white and look different but very few people have a problem with them because they are well beahved and come in small numbers.

[San Lumen]

So only native people should be allowed to live in a country? Are African Americans or Black Britons who have been in the country hundreds of years not natives or less of a citizen to you?

And by calling people from certain countries trouble makers just because of what they look like is racism pure and simple

Should only those of the native ethnic majority be allowed to serve in elected office or be in public service jobs like firefighter or police officer?

In America the situation is completely different and yes black Americans are American the same way the white South Africans are South Africans. As for Britain until recently they werent that many black Britons and yes the ones that lived for centuries are certainly citizens. Also they arent called trouble makers for their looks they do have very different crime rates. The Japanese or Tibetans they arent white and look different but very few people have a problem with them because they are well beahved and come in small numbers.

and what's wrong with more Black Britons? How does that threaten you?

and you have a source for your claims about crime rates and being well behaved?

[Ultramarr]

Any group of people that are outnumbering the locals are a threat.

How?

That's why most people don't have problems with Japanese or Austrians for example because they don't cause trouble and come in very small numbers

In the case of Japan, the minorities "don't cause problems" is because the Japanese gov persecuted them. Which is usually what happens to minorities by a gov at some point

Thats just not true I grew up in Japan for 8 and a half years and they do not persecute minorities. I was also talking about how most people here dont have a problem with Japanese or Austrians as an example because they are small in number and well behaved.
You also say "Which is usually what happens to minorities by a gov at some point" which means that becoming a minority because of immigration is bad by your point too

[Ultramarr]

In America the situation is completely different and yes black Americans are American the same way the white South Africans are South Africans. As for Britain until recently they werent that many black Britons and yes the ones that lived for centuries are certainly citizens. Also they arent called trouble makers for their looks they do have very different crime rates. The Japanese or Tibetans they arent white and look different but very few people have a problem with them because they are well beahved and come in small numbers.

and what's wrong with more Black Britons? How does that threaten you?

and you have a source for your claims about crime rates and being well behaved?

I never said I oppose black Brtions only that immigration should go down and the black Brtions that lived for centuries are citizens but they are really rare as most immigration happened recetly

[San Lumen]

and what's wrong with more Black Britons? How does that threaten you?

and you have a source for your claims about crime rates and being well behaved?

I never said I oppose black Brtions only that immigration should go down and the black Brtions that lived for centuries are citizens but they are really rare as most immigration happened recetly

Why should it go down? You've failed to explain how immigration is a threat to you.

[Ultramarr]

In America the situation is completely different and yes black Americans are American the same way the white South Africans are South Africans. As for Britain until recently they werent that many black Britons and yes the ones that lived for centuries are certainly citizens. Also they arent called trouble makers for their looks they do have very different crime rates. The Japanese or Tibetans they arent white and look different but very few people have a problem with them because they are well beahved and come in small numbers.

and what's wrong with more Black Britons? How does that threaten you?

and you have a source for your claims about crime rates and being well behaved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ed_Kingdom different crime rates by race.

[San Lumen]

and what's wrong with more Black Britons? How does that threaten you?

and you have a source for your claims about crime rates and being well behaved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ ... ed_Kingdom different crime rates by race.

So that's grounds for limiting immigration of a certain groups because of the actions of a certain percent?

[Europa et Americae]

Bad thing. No debate. All you marxists heck off.

[San Lumen]

Bad thing. No debate. All you marxists heck off.

That's not an answer. elaborate

[Ultramarr]

I never said I oppose black Brtions only that immigration should go down and the black Brtions that lived for centuries are citizens but they are really rare as most immigration happened recetly

Why should it go down? You've failed to explain how immigration is a threat to you.

Systematic replacement and making the locals be outnumbered is bad. I will not live in Africa or the middle east. Doesn't mean immigrants are bad many are nice many are bad its the amount they are coming in and from bad parts of the world largely. Not all cultures are equal I would rather say loads of Tibetans come than Somalians as well for example hence the points I made however in either case Britain is for Britain so I want a Japan style policy on immigration

[Ultramarr]

So why not "export" Americanism/Westernism out instead of in? See the hypocrisy here?

What are you talking about. What hypocrisy did I make?

Also, to drive one last nail into that pile of crap, Latinos were a vanishingly small percent of the total population even as recent as the 70s. They are now on track to plurality in the US.

In the next few decades, they are projected to be the majority of the US population.
Personally, I find that interesting.

Going by the evidence of Muslims in Europe voting for parties such as Islamists in Belgium and Denk in Netherlands, yes an alarmingly high portion are fine with authoritarianism if it's in their advantage.

Islamism =/= authoritarianism
Also, source?

Also, yeah, they're free to practice the LOCAL version of Islam. Muslims who practice any other kind of Islam are fucked, and a major reason why so many people are fleeing ISIS and the wars in general is that they're worried they won't chalk up to their insane ideas of Muslimhood.

There's only one kind of Al-Islam.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

Vaguely. it was founded upon the invasion and subjegation of certain groups of people for the benefit of others.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Rape is not Islamic

Ok you might be a liar but I speak the truth. I am opposed to rape gangs unlike you

Wtf Ultrmarr, Genivaria didn't say that

Thank you! And yes... well... ironically, they seem to be okay with, if a bit unable to control, ethnic nationalism among blacks (BLM) and other minorities.

BLM's not a black nationalist group, nor are they a group.

The natives lost too late they didn't build any proper nations end of story.

Says who? Why are you looking at Native American life from a European perspective?

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

Except no one said that. Immigration =/= colonialism

You keep creeping in making stupid accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser

Oh really?
Then provide proof of rape gangs and provide roof of how Genivaria supports them.

Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer the west be colonizing the rest of the world than getting overrun by the world in their own countries.

The problem is that the western elite doesn't actually develop other parts of the world anymore, they just blow them to smithereens then transport in the refugees to the west

Refugees aren't being transported to the West by Western nations.

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

I mean, well, it could.
The UN has donated billions of dollars to help Iraq rebuild, for example.

your pro rape of Europe

Prove it

And I oppose that because I love my country and oppose its destruction.

Destruction?

Not indivisual migrants but by the collective amounts of them especially from shitholes taking over swathes of the cities with their backwater culture they supposedly fled from.

They aren't fleeing their culture per se, they're fleeing war.

Alright when I said Islamic rape gangs I meant rape gangs from Muslim countries perhaps migrant rape gangs is a better term. Also the UN "donated" money to Iraq after they lied about them and destroyed them because they opposed free masonary and Zionism and had their own centralised banks under the government so Israel and the USA wanted them gone