Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Flaxxony]

You're just playing word games at this point.

Anywhere in the world outside of the west, if you ask any layman on the street what image "Westerner" conjures up, it will almost certainly be a white person from America, Canada, Australia, or Western Europe.

Still doesn't negate the fact that people of color can't be Westerners

Well firstly no one is persecuted in the western world such as France apart from some right wing activists as thought criminals, secondly as for the tribe I gave you a very good clue when I mentioned Israel, they are responsible for crimes against the world from westerners to Palestinians.

The Zionist state doesn't commit crimes against any Western countries.

It is possible, but not considered the standard.

[Ultramarr]

You're just playing word games at this point.

Anywhere in the world outside of the west, if you ask any layman on the street what image "Westerner" conjures up, it will almost certainly be a white person from America, Canada, Australia, or Western Europe.

Still doesn't negate the fact that people of color can't be Westerners

Well firstly no one is persecuted in the western world such as France apart from some right wing activists as thought criminals, secondly as for the tribe I gave you a very good clue when I mentioned Israel, they are responsible for crimes against the world from westerners to Palestinians.

The Zionist state doesn't commit crimes against any Western countries.

They do. They run our banks and our governments and bring millions of people from the 3rd world as weapons to invade western nations while at the same time they murder Palestinian children, fund ISIS and have a really racist Jewish supremacist state that is deporting nearly all Africans and actively have a system to stop Jews "mixing" with other races yet they push for "multiculturalism" on other people while they are actively actual racists that they accuse western people of being. 6 Jewish companies also run 96 percent of the worlds media and they are destabilising, attacking or demonising or raging financial warfare against sovereign nations with their own fair government and banking systems. That's why they attacked Libya, Syria, Iraq and more in the past Japan, Germany, Italy and Napoleonic France for it. They also have racist laws like Jews with the surname "Cohen" can only marry pure Jews and said Israel is for Jews only yet demonise western nationalists as "racist" when they are the racist ones and most nationalists don't believe in the kind of racist stuff the Jewish supremacists Zionists believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moa3noIKg8g

[Kubumba Tribe]

And more important than the raw numbers is the political motivation. It is quite obvious that many Muslim migrants, terrorists and otherwise, see migration to the west as a means of subjugation of the "immoral" or "decadent" west. Just because most Muslims aren't deploying pipe bombs in subways doesn't mean there isn't some sort of sympathy present.

What are you saying here?

The west is based broadly on: Empiricism, Scientific/Technological Development, Rationalism, Supremacy of Law, Popular Governance, etc. Muslim nations are largely based on the opposites: Religious Superstition, Anti-Modernism, Dogmatism, Divinely-Ordained Rule, and Religious Autocracy.

Yes, based on. Doesn't mean they haven't deviated from it.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Still doesn't negate the fact that people of color can't be Westerners

The Zionist state doesn't commit crimes against any Western countries.

They do. They run our banks and our governments and bring millions of people from the 3rd world as weapons to invade western nations while at the same time they murder Palestinian children, fund ISIS and have a really racist Jewish supremacist state that is deporting nearly all Africans and actively have a system to stop Jews "mixing" with other races yet they push for "multiculturalism" on other people while they are actively actual racists that they accuse western people of being. 6 Jewish companies also run 96 percent of the worlds media and they are destabilising, attacking or demonising or raging financial warfare against sovereign nations with their own fair government and banking systems. That's why they attacked Libya, Syria, Iraq and more in the past Japan, Germany, Italy and Napoleonic France for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moa3noIKg8g

Conspiracy theories aren't always reliable.
Some of what you said is true, but other bits aren't.
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?

[Ultramarr]

They do. They run our banks and our governments and bring millions of people from the 3rd world as weapons to invade western nations while at the same time they murder Palestinian children, fund ISIS and have a really racist Jewish supremacist state that is deporting nearly all Africans and actively have a system to stop Jews "mixing" with other races yet they push for "multiculturalism" on other people while they are actively actual racists that they accuse western people of being. 6 Jewish companies also run 96 percent of the worlds media and they are destabilising, attacking or demonising or raging financial warfare against sovereign nations with their own fair government and banking systems. That's why they attacked Libya, Syria, Iraq and more in the past Japan, Germany, Italy and Napoleonic France for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moa3noIKg8g

Conspiracy theories aren't always reliable.

Look at the link. Also look up the nationalist solution to money and google and they expose why the Jews attacked the countries I mentioned for having fair systems where their people were incharge of their economy and banking and how much better it was. I dont support Hitler's racial ideas but simply look at the miracle economically the national socialists pulled off. Or look at in 30s Japan where the government broke free of the shackles of the rochschilds an manufacturing went up by 140 percent and the economy by 250 percent during the great depression, or look up Gaddafi's amazing reforms where he did the biggest irrigration and farming project in history and made the desert farmable and all of his amazing policies where anyone can start a farm or business and everyone had their own fair system or Napoleon's reforms where the governemnt created the money not the parasitic international finance. That is why they were all attacked and provacked they had to go or organised Jewry would have lost their grip in other countries

[Flaxxony]

And more important than the raw numbers is the political motivation. It is quite obvious that many Muslim migrants, terrorists and otherwise, see migration to the west as a means of subjugation of the "immoral" or "decadent" west. Just because most Muslims aren't deploying pipe bombs in subways doesn't mean there isn't some sort of sympathy present.

What are you saying here?

The west is based broadly on: Empiricism, Scientific/Technological Development, Rationalism, Supremacy of Law, Popular Governance, etc. Muslim nations are largely based on the opposites: Religious Superstition, Anti-Modernism, Dogmatism, Divinely-Ordained Rule, and Religious Autocracy.

Yes, based on. Doesn't mean they haven't deviated from it.

How was that confusing? I am blatantly saying that many Muslim migrants aren't remotely outraged by the terrorist attacks, and are actually quite likely to view them favorably, or at least look the other way.

The deviations from the mores are mostly limited to high-performing, well-educated, high-income, westernized intellectual or professional class Muslims who largely worship as a formalism. These type of people are the most likely to put the science, logic and data first and make the religion fit, not the other way around.

[Ultramarr]

They do. They run our banks and our governments and bring millions of people from the 3rd world as weapons to invade western nations while at the same time they murder Palestinian children, fund ISIS and have a really racist Jewish supremacist state that is deporting nearly all Africans and actively have a system to stop Jews "mixing" with other races yet they push for "multiculturalism" on other people while they are actively actual racists that they accuse western people of being. 6 Jewish companies also run 96 percent of the worlds media and they are destabilising, attacking or demonising or raging financial warfare against sovereign nations with their own fair government and banking systems. That's why they attacked Libya, Syria, Iraq and more in the past Japan, Germany, Italy and Napoleonic France for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moa3noIKg8g

Conspiracy theories aren't always reliable.
Some of what you said is true, but other bits aren't.
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZAqaEH280 Heres another one

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Conspiracy theories aren't always reliable.
Some of what you said is true, but other bits aren't.
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZAqaEH280 Heres another one

I repeat:
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency/person or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?
This question goes the previous video you linked and this one.

What are you saying here?


Yes, based on. Doesn't mean they haven't deviated from it.

How was that confusing? I am blatantly saying that many Muslim migrants aren't remotely outraged by the terrorist attacks, and are actually quite likely to view them favorably, or at least look the other way.

Somone likes stereotyping people

[Flaxxony]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZAqaEH280 Heres another one

I repeat:
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency/person or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?
This question goes the previous video you linked and this one.

How was that confusing? I am blatantly saying that many Muslim migrants aren't remotely outraged by the terrorist attacks, and are actually quite likely to view them favorably, or at least look the other way.

Somone likes stereotyping people

Stereotypes more often than not contain multiple grains of truth.

[Ultramarr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZAqaEH280 Heres another one

I repeat:
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency/person or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?
This question goes the previous video you linked and this one.

How was that confusing? I am blatantly saying that many Muslim migrants aren't remotely outraged by the terrorist attacks, and are actually quite likely to view them favorably, or at least look the other way.

Somone likes stereotyping people

You brother Nathaniel and a commentator. They do use facts and stats and have a look really if you had a look then you still don't believe the truth that's your call

[El-Amin Caliphate]

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... the-world/
http://www.pewforum.org/2017/07/26/terr ... extremism/

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I repeat:
And who's the youtuber you linked? A reputable agency/person or some dude/dudette talking partial sense and partial nonsense?
This question goes the previous video you linked and this one.

Somone likes stereotyping people

You brother Nathaniel and a commentator. They do use facts and stats and have a look really if you had a look then you still don't believe the truth that's your call

I can't look, I'm using my school computer and youtube's pretty much blocked

[The Rich Port]

Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?

this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

Show me the fucking statistics then. Show me the millions of Muslims in America yearning for Okie Mecca where they can get their fucking hands chopped off for not paying their religious tax on time.

Yeah, because for the most part, secular courts DON'T NEED REFORM. That's why nobody wants to take them down.

Corruption doesn't exist in secular courts? Things always go as planned?

It is also why you're the only Muslim I've met who wants to live under shariah law.

According to Pew, many Muslims support Shari'ah: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

I was referring to AMERICAN Muslims that live in AMERICA.

Also, compared to courts where the judges are said to speak the infallible word of God, I would think that yes, they would be LESS corrupt, which is what I said. That's why nobody makes a huge stink about MOST COURTS. They DO work most of the time, because there's a system of checks and balances in place.

[Ultramarr]

You brother Nathaniel and a commentator. They do use facts and stats and have a look really if you had a look then you still don't believe the truth that's your call

I can't look, I'm using my school computer and youtube's pretty much blocked

Fair enough. Look it up later on the link or google nationalist solution to money they have articles and websites based on it I think. Or if you want the right one click on my link outside of school really enlightening stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBZAqaEH280

[Flaxxony]

this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

Show me the fucking statistics then. Show me the millions of Muslims in America yearning for Okie Mecca where they can get their fucking hands chopped off for not paying their religious tax on time.

Corruption doesn't exist in secular courts? Things always go as planned?

According to Pew, many Muslims support Shari'ah: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

I was referring to AMERICAN Muslims that live in AMERICA.

Also, compared to courts where the judges are said to speak the infallible word of God, I would think that yes, they would be LESS corrupt, which is what I said. That's why nobody makes a huge stink about MOST COURTS. They DO work most of the time, because there's a system of checks and balances in place.

And the magic dirt of America is gonna make people change as soon as they step on US soil?

A common leftist argument is that the government is some sort of external entity that shows up in a vacuum. Governments take the shape of the average person in their country. Muslim countries often have tyrannies because the average citizen of that country is sympathetic to it. If everyone hated the government, it wouldn't be long til it was gone.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

Show me the fucking statistics then. Show me the millions of Muslims in America yearning for Okie Mecca where they can get their fucking hands chopped off for not paying their religious tax on time.

That's not a part of Shari'ah.

Muslim countries often have tyrannies because the average citizen of that country is sympathetic to it. If everyone hated the government, it wouldn't be long til it was gone.

False. If that was the case, the Arab world would be doing ok.
The reason tyranny exists is because tyrants rule with an iron fist.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

And the magic dirt of America is gonna make people change as soon as they step on US soil?

Magic dirt?

[Flaxxony]

Show me the fucking statistics then. Show me the millions of Muslims in America yearning for Okie Mecca where they can get their fucking hands chopped off for not paying their religious tax on time.

That's not a part of Shari'ah.

Muslim countries often have tyrannies because the average citizen of that country is sympathetic to it. If everyone hated the government, it wouldn't be long til it was gone.

False. If that was the case, the Arab world would be doing ok.
The reason tyranny exists is because tyrants rule with an iron fist.

So why not "export" Americanism/Westernism out instead of in? See the hypocrisy here?

[The Rich Port]

Show me the fucking statistics then. Show me the millions of Muslims in America yearning for Okie Mecca where they can get their fucking hands chopped off for not paying their religious tax on time.



I was referring to AMERICAN Muslims that live in AMERICA.

Also, compared to courts where the judges are said to speak the infallible word of God, I would think that yes, they would be LESS corrupt, which is what I said. That's why nobody makes a huge stink about MOST COURTS. They DO work most of the time, because there's a system of checks and balances in place.

And the magic dirt of America is gonna make people change as soon as they step on US soil?

A common leftist argument is that the government is some sort of external entity that shows up in a vacuum. Governments take the shape of the average person in their country. Muslim countries often have tyrannies because the average citizen of that country is sympathetic to it. If everyone hated the government, it wouldn't be long til it was gone.

Yeah, because America is just so close to being overrun by Muslims.

What's that. They're only 0.9% of the population?

Also, you're seriously questioning that they would want to live under authoritarianism when they have the liberties and freedoms afforded to them by the current government that ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION?

I think you're just projecting onto them. :D

[Flaxxony]

And the magic dirt of America is gonna make people change as soon as they step on US soil?

A common leftist argument is that the government is some sort of external entity that shows up in a vacuum. Governments take the shape of the average person in their country. Muslim countries often have tyrannies because the average citizen of that country is sympathetic to it. If everyone hated the government, it wouldn't be long til it was gone.

Yeah, because America is just so close to being overrun by Muslims.

What's that. They're only 0.9% of the population?

Also, you're seriously questioning that they would want to live under authoritarianism when they have the liberties and freedoms afforded to them by the current government that ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION?

I think you're just projecting onto them.

Another sassylib red herring.

In the US, the population is small. In Europe, it is not. I am obviously referring to the West as a whole. The birthrates are astronomical in Europe and the migration shows no signs of slowing down.

Also, they are more than free to practice Islam in the Islamic world, yet that has no bearing on the support for religious freedom. How do you even manage to equivocate the two?

Also, to drive one last nail into that pile of crap, Latinos were a vanishingly small percent of the total population even as recent as the 70s. They are now on track to plurality in the US.

[Trumptonium]

>not reading the article they're posting when they're literally the only thing in their message
And you're seriously expecting us to take you seriously?
Also Western isn't a geographic group, it's a cultural one. Japan and False Korea are considered Western by quite some standards and yet they haven't moved to Europe last time I checked.

They are from oriental civilisation while Europeans are western civilisation. Both western and oriental have many sub groups like Japanese and Korea or English and Italian

A lot of people would consider Japan and False Korea "Western", though.

[Trumptonium]

Also, you're seriously questioning that they would want to live under authoritarianism when they have the liberties and freedoms afforded to them by the current government that ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION?

Going by the evidence of Muslims in Europe voting for parties such as Islamists in Belgium and Denk in Netherlands, yes an alarmingly high portion are fine with authoritarianism if it's in their advantage.

[The Rich Port]

Yeah, because America is just so close to being overrun by Muslims.

What's that. They're only 0.9% of the population?

Also, you're seriously questioning that they would want to live under authoritarianism when they have the liberties and freedoms afforded to them by the current government that ALLOWS THEM TO PRACTICE THEIR RELIGION?

I think you're just projecting onto them.

Another sassylib red herring.

In the US, the population is small. In Europe, it is not. I am obviously referring to the West as a whole. The birthrates are astronomical in Europe and the migration shows no signs of slowing down.

Also, they are more than free to practice Islam in the Islamic world, yet that has no bearing on the support for religious freedom. How do you even manage to equivocate the two?

Also, to drive one last nail into that pile of crap, Latinos were a vanishingly small percent of the total population even as recent as the 70s. They are now on track to plurality in the US.

It's not being sassy, it's called basic fucking facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Muslims are spread extremely thin throughout "Europe" and their being about 6% of the population means nothing when analyzed closely.

Also, yeah, they're free to practice the LOCAL version of Islam. Muslims who practice any other kind of Islam are fucked, and a major reason why so many people are fleeing ISIS and the wars in general is that they're worried they won't chalk up to their insane ideas of Muslimhood.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Another paranoid conservative who is afraid of foreigners because they steal the white women.

[Flaxxony]

Another sassylib red herring.

In the US, the population is small. In Europe, it is not. I am obviously referring to the West as a whole. The birthrates are astronomical in Europe and the migration shows no signs of slowing down.

Also, they are more than free to practice Islam in the Islamic world, yet that has no bearing on the support for religious freedom. How do you even manage to equivocate the two?

Also, to drive one last nail into that pile of crap, Latinos were a vanishingly small percent of the total population even as recent as the 70s. They are now on track to plurality in the US.

It's not being sassy, it's called basic fucking facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Muslims are spread extremely thin throughout "Europe" and their being about 6% of the population means nothing when analyzed closely.

Also, yeah, they're free to practice the LOCAL version of Islam. Muslims who practice any other kind of Islam are fucked, and a major reason why so many people are fleeing ISIS and the wars in general is that they're worried they won't chalk up to their insane ideas of Muslimhood.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Another paranoid conservative who is afraid of foreigners because they steal the white women.

Another liberal who doesn't know the definition of birth rate or migration.

Can you seriously not conceptualize that people outside of your ideological bubble may actually, wait for it, not give a rat's ass about other people's "freedoms" if it doesn't directly benefit them? And it doesn't take that many people in a minority to substantially worsen the quality of life for the native population.

The exact reason why different sects of Muslims regularly murder each other in the Muslim world is directly related to the fact that Islam doesn't value diversity of opinion. It is a dogma, and dogmas shut out other views by definition.

And I "say it like it's a bad thing" because if you had any notion of nationhood, you would see this as a bad thing as well.

I'm not even going to address the "White wimminz" meme comment. Liberals are demonstrably less attractive by a multitude of studies on the matter.

[The Feylands]

Multiculturalism is a revolt against nature, that alienates us from who we truly are, like all other Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo. Ironically, would you suggest an en-masse migration of Greeks or Armenians to their former lands in what is now called Turkey, the Turks would be the first to object to that, Islamists and secularists alike. They even object to it, and view it as an insult to their national pride, when its Christians living in Christian land that Turks might have a claim too due Atheist Marxist Stalin drawing their border there.

Or when Israelis living in a land they built up from nothing through the genius of the Jewish people, where the so called Palestinians subjected them to a pogrom years before Israel was reborn, in an area now seen as legitimately perpetually "Judenrein". Non-westerners do not surrender their national pride, their natural urge to protect their families and their communities. If I were pro-Palestine I'd be overjoyed. Gradually, they'd be able to overrun and murder the Israelis due the later western nativity, thinking that the Arabs only wanting to live in peace or sing kumbaya, if they get prosperous or educated enough.

Another consequence of this kind of thinking is of course, that women cannot naturally expect their men to feel a natural inclination protect them any longer, western men are devoid of any sense of identity or connection of who they are. Both men and women here in the west become individualistic, identityless consumerists, fixated with their own temporary urges for a new TV or whatever, and devoid of and often depressed over the lack of any meaning in their lives. It's the worst betrayal of everyone else one could think of. Very few non-western men will ever turn up like that. And thus, the west will lose, we will lose badly in the same way Western Rome did, because of ideologies like this.