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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:02 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:No I didn't say Muslims, I said YOU don't get to make people live under your religion.
If they call themselves Muslims and want to embrace secularism that's their business and if you have an issue with that then tough.

I'd say it depends, muslims living in a secular nation should live under secular law. I think in a muslim nation though, sharia should be law without exception. Having mixed legal systems is inefficient and difficult to implement.

I dream of a one-nation world and having this opinion would be dangerous assuming its either Sharia Law or secularism.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:03 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'd say it depends, muslims living in a secular nation should live under secular law. I think in a muslim nation though, sharia should be law without exception. Having mixed legal systems is inefficient and difficult to implement.

I dream of a one-nation world and having this opinion would be dangerous assuming its either Sharia Law or secularism.

How funny, me to.

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Postby Salus Maior » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:06 pm

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:I dream of a one-nation world and having this opinion would be dangerous assuming its either Sharia Law or secularism.

How funny, me to.


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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:07 pm

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Genivaria wrote:How funny, me to.


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Postby Aillyria » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:13 pm

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Aillyria wrote:I'd say it depends, muslims living in a secular nation should live under secular law. I think in a muslim nation though, sharia should be law without exception. Having mixed legal systems is inefficient and difficult to implement.

I dream of a one-nation world and having this opinion would be dangerous assuming its either Sharia Law or secularism.

I'm more concerned with a unified muslim nation, than a world nation. I'd rather have sharia only in muslim areas and allow non-believers to govern themselves according to their customs.
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Postby Genivaria » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:16 pm

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Genivaria wrote:How funny, me to.


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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:57 pm

Aillyria wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I dream of a one-nation world and having this opinion would be dangerous assuming its either Sharia Law or secularism.

I'm more concerned with a unified muslim nation, than a world nation. I'd rather have sharia only in muslim areas and allow non-believers to govern themselves according to their customs.

Different Muslims have different opinions, putting Shia and Sunni together could be a dangerous union for them.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:00 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Aillyria wrote:I'm more concerned with a unified muslim nation, than a world nation. I'd rather have sharia only in muslim areas and allow non-believers to govern themselves according to their customs.

Different Muslims have different opinions, putting Shia and Sunni together could be a dangerous union for them.

Funny how ideologies claiming to have the absolute truth tend to schism into factions arguing about what said truth actually is.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:45 am

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Holy Tedalonia wrote:Different Muslims have different opinions, putting Shia and Sunni together could be a dangerous union for them.

Funny how ideologies claiming to have the absolute truth tend to schism into factions arguing about what said truth actually is.

I wouldn't call religion "ideologies", isn't a accurate name for them, since while being under a religion doesn't guarantee their political leanings.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:02 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Funny how ideologies claiming to have the absolute truth tend to schism into factions arguing about what said truth actually is.

I wouldn't call religion "ideologies", isn't a accurate name for them, since while being under a religion doesn't guarantee their political leanings.

An ideology is a set of beliefs. A religion is a set of beliefs.

Being under a religion does come with certain political leanings.
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:20 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:I wouldn't call religion "ideologies", isn't a accurate name for them, since while being under a religion doesn't guarantee their political leanings.

An ideology is a set of beliefs. A religion is a set of beliefs.

Being under a religion does come with certain political leanings.

Not necessarily, Many Christians have differing views on abortions, regardless if it's right or wrong. While there is a larger and smaller groups it's still differing in beliefs.

Perhaps your right though, maybe ideology is a accurate word for it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:26 am

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Then they are not submitting to Allah (SWT).

It is extremely arrogant to try to tell people what is in their minds.

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:I asked "besides saying "secularism for everyone"". He either did not read the entirety of my post, or isn't willing to answer my question the it's supposed to be answered.

Too. Fucking. Bad.
to answer my question the it's supposed to be answered

You mean he refuses to follow your asinine script? Oh how horrible. :roll:
Geni i applaud your efforts but come on, he is a zealot.
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Postby Republic of Europe » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:28 am

It's a good thing, helps us realize that we are different but the same spiecies
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:35 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It is extremely arrogant to try to tell people what is in their minds.

Genivaria wrote:Too. Fucking. Bad.

You mean he refuses to follow your asinine script? Oh how horrible. :roll:
Geni i applaud your efforts but come on, he is a zealot.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:05 pm

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Genivaria wrote:You don't get to make people live by your religion, how horrible.

Just admit that this would create an administrative nightmare. Also, you have advocated taxing non-Muslims before (to counter religious taxes placed upon them) but surely under your system they would not be under the jurisdiction of the Islamic government. Furthermore, I would like to ask which government pays for public services (busses, trains, possibly health, etc.) when each government would have its own taxation and spending systems?

EDIT: Also, couldn't people change religion while in custody in order to evade prosecution?

I think I mentioned this before to him.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:10 pm

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Goverwal wrote:Just admit that this would create an administrative nightmare. Also, you have advocated taxing non-Muslims before (to counter religious taxes placed upon them) but surely under your system they would not be under the jurisdiction of the Islamic government. Furthermore, I would like to ask which government pays for public services (busses, trains, possibly health, etc.) when each government would have its own taxation and spending systems?

EDIT: Also, couldn't people change religion while in custody in order to evade prosecution?

I think I mentioned this before to him.

And IIRC he never addressed it.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 09, 2018 1:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Geni i applaud your efforts but come on, he is a zealot.

What?

He's saying you're a zealot.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:39 pm

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Like I mentioned, what Muslim that lives in America would willingly live under shariah law?


this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

I have a question for you Trumptonium and others like you. Is diversity in the Olympics a bad thing? Should only those of the ethnic majority be allowed to compete in the games for their country?

Don't misunderstand I firmly who gets to go to the Olympic Games should be based on athletic skills and if you are taking no performance enhancing drugs.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:42 pm

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this is such a kumbaya PC wool-over-eyes post I don't even know where to start

I have a question for you Trumptonium and others like you. Is diversity in the Olympics a bad thing? Should only those of the ethnic majority be allowed to compete in the games for their country?

Don't misunderstand I firmly who gets to go to the Olympic Games should be based on athletic skills and if you are taking no performance enhancing drugs.


Diversity for the sake of diversity would be bad, and certain people bitching about things and trying to use their skin color as reasons why they should have been picked for something should be kicked off our team.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:43 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I have a question for you Trumptonium and others like you. Is diversity in the Olympics a bad thing? Should only those of the ethnic majority be allowed to compete in the games for their country?

Don't misunderstand I firmly who gets to go to the Olympic Games should be based on athletic skills and if you are taking no performance enhancing drugs.


Diversity for the sake of diversity would be bad, and certain people bitching about things and trying to use their skin color as reasons why they should have been picked for something should be kicked off our team.

I agree diversity for the sake of diversity is bad especially in sports and film and tv awards but kicking them off the team is a bridge too far.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:44 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Diversity for the sake of diversity would be bad, and certain people bitching about things and trying to use their skin color as reasons why they should have been picked for something should be kicked off our team.

I agree diversity for the sake of diversity is bad especially in sports and film and tv awards but kicking them off the team is a bridge too far.


Na, that dumbass whose name I can't remember who threw a huge fit over not getting chosen for something and tried to sneak in some shit about black history month should be given the boot. He's an embarrasement to the nation and is incredibly unsportsmanlike.
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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:46 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Diversity for the sake of diversity would be bad, and certain people bitching about things and trying to use their skin color as reasons why they should have been picked for something should be kicked off our team.

I agree diversity for the sake of diversity is bad especially in sports and film and tv awards but kicking them off the team is a bridge too far.

Actions like that suggest future unsportsmanlike behavior. Good to remove them before they become more than just a major annoyance, and it lets you fill their spot with someone who's actually mature enough. Even if they're years younger.
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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:51 pm

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San Lumen wrote:I agree diversity for the sake of diversity is bad especially in sports and film and tv awards but kicking them off the team is a bridge too far.

Actions like that suggest future unsportsmanlike behavior. Good to remove them before they become more than just a major annoyance, and it lets you fill their spot with someone who's actually mature enough. Even if they're years younger.


I don't think are runners up to go to games.

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Postby Proctopeo » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:53 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Actions like that suggest future unsportsmanlike behavior. Good to remove them before they become more than just a major annoyance, and it lets you fill their spot with someone who's actually mature enough. Even if they're years younger.


I don't think are runners up to go to games.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 09, 2018 2:54 pm

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I don't think are runners up to go to games.

Speak English, please.


You dont know what a runner up is? I dont believe there are backup athletes to serve as replacements to Olympics should someone drop out or be removed. There are very few things you can be removed from the games for.

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