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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:18 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Which killed cultures would you say were killed "unjustly"?

Native American

They still exist. Their culture is hardly "killed", but attacked yes.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:19 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Native American

They still exist. Their culture is hardly "killed", but attacked yes.

It's on life support, albeit barely
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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:20 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:if your culture could be so easily destroyed by people with other cultures, then I don't think your culture deserves to keep on existing, to be honest.

Its about demographics if masses of other cultures come. Its quantity against quality.

talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:20 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:They still exist. Their culture is hardly "killed", but attacked yes.

It's on life support, albeit barely

Depends on which we're talking about, really.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:21 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Its basic maths then the country will end up losing swathes of land.

How? Is one country invading another?
Ultramarr wrote:If say Japan stopped being mostly Japanese its no longer Japan and they understand that

False. Japan still owns that island, and it isn't being colonized by another nation, so it's still Japan no matter who's in it

Its only Japan if its inhabited by mostly Japanese people. I get you like all this diversity stuff but it cant be pushed on other countries.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:22 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Over 90 percent died from disease and a lot of them like the Aztecs had such a savage culture like human sacrifice they deserved it while the other less bad ones they lost like a lion eating a sheep.

Are you justifying genocide?

Only the Spanish and the Americans really did a on purpose genocide. Most deaths came via desease. On a scale of genocide relatively quick and sudden term compared to others in history. The other deaths came via desease, and that killed most of them off.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:23 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:They still exist. Their culture is hardly "killed", but attacked yes.

It's on life support, albeit barely

They have their reservations which are basically like mini countries like Vatican city where their culture is very much alive

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:24 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:How? Is one country invading another?

False. Japan still owns that island, and it isn't being colonized by another nation, so it's still Japan no matter who's in it

Its only Japan if its inhabited by mostly Japanese people.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:24 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:They still exist. Their culture is hardly "killed", but attacked yes.

It's on life support, albeit barely

Honestly damage is already done. Merely holding onto their culture is backwards, since instead of joining the melting pot they decide to isolate themselves.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:24 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:It's on life support, albeit barely

They have their reservations which are basically like mini countries like Vatican city where their culture is very much alive

Stop using that excuse
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:29 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:They have their reservations which are basically like mini countries like Vatican city where their culture is very much alive

Stop using that excuse

*America the only country to bother making reservations*
*blames america for killing Native Americans*

"Excuses"
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:29 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:They have their reservations which are basically like mini countries like Vatican city where their culture is very much alive

Stop using that excuse

Not an excuse but a fact. Their culture is not extinct yet

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:36 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Stop using that excuse

*America the only country to bother making reservations*
*blames america for killing Native Americans*

"Excuses"

Yes, it is an excuse to use some of the poorest regions in the US and say "see? We didn't kill them all, and they still have some of their land!"
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Postby Aellex » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:False. Japan still owns that island, and it isn't being colonized by another nation, so it's still Japan no matter who's in it

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:*America the only country to bother making reservations*
*blames america for killing Native Americans*

"Excuses"

Yes, it is an excuse to use some of the poorest regions in the US and say "see? We didn't kill them all, and they still have some of their land!"


There's was a group advocating their destruction via politics. The guys giving them that land did all they could. I am actually happy that they risked their political careers instead of Oregon Trailing them.

It's not a excuse. You say that because your arguement is built on a over-generalization of American history.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:39 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:*America the only country to bother making reservations*
*blames america for killing Native Americans*

"Excuses"

Yes, it is an excuse to use some of the poorest regions in the US and say "see? We didn't kill them all, and they still have some of their land!"

They were given an opportunity to live amongst their people instead and many chose to while others chose not to live in the reservations. Not bad for the losing side to get

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:41 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes, it is an excuse to use some of the poorest regions in the US and say "see? We didn't kill them all, and they still have some of their land!"


There's was a group advocating their destruction via politics. The guys giving them that land did all they could. I am actually happy that they risked their political careers instead of Oregon Trailing them.

It's not a excuse. You say that because your arguement is built on a over-generalization of American history.

just to be fair, the fact that in a surprising twist, America did the the bare minimum (unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing) doesn't change the fact that they are to be blamed for killing Native Americans.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:42 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
There's was a group advocating their destruction via politics. The guys giving them that land did all they could. I am actually happy that they risked their political careers instead of Oregon Trailing them.

It's not a excuse. You say that because your arguement is built on a over-generalization of American history.

just to be fair, the fact that in a surprising twist, America did the the bare minimum (unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing) doesn't change the fact that they are to be blamed for killing Native Americans.

How is this relevant to today

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:44 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:
There's was a group advocating their destruction via politics. The guys giving them that land did all they could. I am actually happy that they risked their political careers instead of Oregon Trailing them.

It's not a excuse. You say that because your arguement is built on a over-generalization of American history.

just to be fair, the fact that in a surprising twist, America did the the bare minimum (unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing) doesn't change the fact that they are to be blamed for killing Native Americans.

You realize that Americans weren't the only ones genociding right? ''Twas a combined effort.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:44 am

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:45 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:just to be fair, the fact that in a surprising twist, America did the the bare minimum (unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing) doesn't change the fact that they are to be blamed for killing Native Americans.

You realize that Americans weren't the only ones genociding right? ''Twas a combined effort.


unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:47 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:You realize that Americans weren't the only ones genociding right? ''Twas a combined effort.


unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing

Then why is America the one to blame?
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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:48 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:
unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing

Then why is America the one to blame?

America isn't the only one to be blamed. All of them are. if anything, America can be blamed less than some of the other countries, but to claim America isn't to be blamed, or to claim that "but they slaughtered the natives" is an 'excuse' is incorrect and unjust.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:49 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:
unlike everyone else who did absolutely nothing

Then why is America the one to blame?

Because it's one of the many nations in the Americas that oppressed the indigenous population.
Tbh if it were possible, I'd want this back
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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:51 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Then why is America the one to blame?

Because it's one of the many nations in the Americas that oppressed the indigenous population.
Tbh if it were possible, I'd want this back

can we have this after that?
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