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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:46 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Proof?

Afghanistan is facing problems due to terrorism and a corrupt gov, not diversity nor multiculturalism
India is facing problems because of a prejudiced Hindu nationalist party
South Africa is still dealing with poverty-stricken areas and post-apartheid racism

Afghanistan is also ungovernable for the government due to all the different tribes

False
Ultramarr wrote:South Africa also has a lot of tension and dispute between the many people there including between the black tribes and white people are starting to get killed off in their farms hardly the apartheid now.

False:
https://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent ... us-1788464
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... afrophobic
http://theconversation.com/systemic-rac ... nomy-71499
Ultramarr wrote:India is suffering from a large Muslim fifth column and its hard to centralise and run such a country with so many groups.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... condemned/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_ ... s_in_India
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/glo ... b42bca7380
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Feb 05, 2018 3:47 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And what is the globalist agenda?

A push to destroy nation hood and culture by the globalists to turn us all into nihilistic cattle with no identity or morals.

Yeah, no. Even if everyone from everywhere was distributed in each country, we'd have a new identity and relatively the same morals. So to say "no identity or morals" is false.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:00 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Afghanistan is also ungovernable for the government due to all the different tribes

False
Ultramarr wrote:South Africa also has a lot of tension and dispute between the many people there including between the black tribes and white people are starting to get killed off in their farms hardly the apartheid now.

False:
https://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent ... us-1788464
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... afrophobic
http://theconversation.com/systemic-rac ... nomy-71499
Ultramarr wrote:India is suffering from a large Muslim fifth column and its hard to centralise and run such a country with so many groups.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/ ... condemned/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_ ... s_in_India
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/glo ... b42bca7380

Firstly what are the Muslims even doing in India they got Pakistan and as for South Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcNtdHOPfMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLJRVbaMyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOmQJC ... 9868899809
Many Muslims in India were also responsible for terror attacks and attacks against Hindus and Buddhists.

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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:02 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:A push to destroy nation hood and culture by the globalists to turn us all into nihilistic cattle with no identity or morals.

Yeah, no. Even if everyone from everywhere was distributed in each country, we'd have a new identity and relatively the same morals. So to say "no identity or morals" is false.

Our old identity and humanity and traditions are worth defending. Every civilisation has a right to defend itself and yes morals do die when tradition and culture die

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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:09 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yeah, no. Even if everyone from everywhere was distributed in each country, we'd have a new identity and relatively the same morals. So to say "no identity or morals" is false.

Our old identity and humanity and traditions are worth defending. Every civilisation has a right to defend itself and yes morals do die when tradition and culture die

Sorry but please explain how allowing non white people in your country is threatening your culture and traditions

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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:11 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Our old identity and humanity and traditions are worth defending. Every civilisation has a right to defend itself and yes morals do die when tradition and culture die

Sorry but please explain how allowing non white people in your country is threatening your culture and traditions

Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:16 am

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Sorry but please explain how allowing non white people in your country is threatening your culture and traditions

Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

if your culture could be so easily destroyed by people with other cultures, then I don't think your culture deserves to keep on existing, to be honest.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:20 am

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Sorry but please explain how allowing non white people in your country is threatening your culture and traditions

Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

How?

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 9:21 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

How?

apparently, your culture dies if it is in contact with other cultures. idk.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:04 am


1: Who are the youtubers who made the vids you linked? I can't go on youtube because I'm on my school computer
2: Research Islamic history in India.
3: What do you mean "what are the Muslims doing in India"? What's that supposed to mean?
4: How are youtube videos being used as your sources?
Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yeah, no. Even if everyone from everywhere was distributed in each country, we'd have a new identity and relatively the same morals. So to say "no identity or morals" is false.

Our old identity and humanity and traditions are worth defending. Every civilisation has a right to defend itself and yes morals do die when tradition and culture die

Yes, they can "die", but "morals" and "culture" never just "stop existing"
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:07 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Firstly what are the Muslims even doing in India they got Pakistan and as for South Africa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcNtdHOPfMM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLJRVbaMyQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMOmQJC ... 9868899809
Many Muslims in India were also responsible for terror attacks and attacks against Hindus and Buddhists.

1: Who are the youtubers who made the vids you linked? I can't go on youtube because I'm on my school computer
2: Research Islamic history in India.
3: What do you mean "what are the Muslims doing in India"? What's that supposed to mean?
4: How are youtube videos being used as your sources?
Ultramarr wrote:Our old identity and humanity and traditions are worth defending. Every civilisation has a right to defend itself and yes morals do die when tradition and culture die

Yes, they can "die", but "morals" and "culture" never just "stop existing"

Watch the videos at home and see for yourself when you have time. As for dead cultures and civilisations you can see ruins of them if you visit a museum especially if you look at the once great empires in places like the middle east

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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:09 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

if your culture could be so easily destroyed by people with other cultures, then I don't think your culture deserves to keep on existing, to be honest.

Its about demographics if masses of other cultures come. Its quantity against quality.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:10 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:1: Who are the youtubers who made the vids you linked? I can't go on youtube because I'm on my school computer
2: Research Islamic history in India.
3: What do you mean "what are the Muslims doing in India"? What's that supposed to mean?
4: How are youtube videos being used as your sources?

Yes, they can "die", but "morals" and "culture" never just "stop existing"

Watch the videos at home and see for yourself when you have time. As for dead cultures and civilisations you can see ruins of them if you visit a museum especially if you look at the once great empires in places like the middle east

I agreed with you that cultures can die.
And you didn't answer my 4 questions.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:11 am

And can you explain what you meant when you said Katganistan has "white guilt"?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:12 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:if your culture could be so easily destroyed by people with other cultures, then I don't think your culture deserves to keep on existing, to be honest.

Its about demographics if masses of other cultures come. Its quantity against quality.

talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?
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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:13 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Not just non whites but any country that allows in lots of foreigners is under threat.

if your culture could be so easily destroyed by people with other cultures, then I don't think your culture deserves to keep on existing, to be honest.

If it was a bad culture than it should've been destroyed. The bigger or more powerful culture was in the right then.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:13 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Its about demographics if masses of other cultures come. Its quantity against quality.

talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?

When birth rates are low its the worse time to let lots of people in Japan understands it and so does Poland and Hungary

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:15 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?

When birth rates are low its the worse time to let lots of people in

Why?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:15 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:Its about demographics if masses of other cultures come. Its quantity against quality.

talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?

Which killed cultures would you say were killed "unjustly"?
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:16 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:When birth rates are low its the worse time to let lots of people in

Why?

Its basic maths then the country will end up losing swathes of land. If say Japan stopped being mostly Japanese its no longer Japan and they understand that

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:16 am

Holy Tedalonia wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:talking Demographics, are we? Statistically, the only way the majority culture in a nation can "die" is if its people want it to die. Cultures changing happens (and has happened) all the time, while what you're referring to (which is irrelevant to the culture, actually, and more relevant to race) only "dies out" if the host population intentionally and of its sound mind stops breeding.
which, well in that case that's what the people of said culture wanted, who're you to call them out for it?

Which killed cultures would you say were killed "unjustly"?

Native American
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:17 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:When birth rates are low its the worse time to let lots of people in

Why?

Easier to overthrow the status quo. Such as policies, morals, and beliefs.
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Postby Ultramarr » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:17 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Which killed cultures would you say were killed "unjustly"?

Native American

Over 90 percent died from disease and a lot of them like the Aztecs had such a savage culture like human sacrifice they deserved it while the other less bad ones they lost like a lion eating a sheep.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:17 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Why?

Its basic maths then the country will end up losing swathes of land.

How? Is one country invading another?
Ultramarr wrote:If say Japan stopped being mostly Japanese its no longer Japan and they understand that

False. Japan still owns that island, and it isn't being colonized by another nation, so it's still Japan no matter who's in it
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Tue Feb 06, 2018 11:18 am

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Native American

Over 90 percent died from disease and a lot of them like the Aztecs had such a savage culture like human sacrifice they deserved it while the other less bad ones they lost like a lion eating a sheep.

Are you justifying genocide?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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