Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Korvale]

Once again the point I make goes sailing over the head of the person I am addressing. The point that I am making is NOT that white people are inherently genocidal monsters. It is that white folk are NOT inherently better than others in this respect.

White folks literally invented the concept of race. Further, at least a significant portion of white folks do believe exactly those things you say they don't believe in. This of course ignores the very people on this thread using "protecting European culture" as thinly veiled white supremacy.

Yes white people are much more peaceful than non-white people the simple fact there has not been a genocide in multicultural Europe proves this. Race has always existed since time memorial whites are the only humans who tried to categorize humans based on genetics. So what if some white believe that? Most whites dont believe in race they have no issue having their culture replaced by a non-white one like you. White supremacy? Thats stupid whites are superior to no one.

[Neu Leonstein]

Only white people dont believe in race all others do.

It's not that I don't believe in race. I'm just aware that the categories you speak of have a history, and we can trace that history. It starts relatively recently, historically speaking, and it has origins with particular people and with particular laws and government policies. It's not that ancient Romans didn't see the difference between someone with dark skin and someone with light skin. It's just that they didn't see those differences as politically or socially relevant. They cared about whether someone acted like a Roman (speaking Latin, ideally, though of course Greek became acceptable too later, so that wasn't set in stone either) and followed the body of laws that constituted Res Publica. The rest was secondary, and so you had black people popping up all over the Roman world and nobody seems to have minded, for example.

By the time that the US was founded as a project that was at least in some ways similar in principle (i.e. a claim to universality derived from acceptance of the right body of law), the treatment of people with African origins was obviously completely different. Same with Native Americans. So something changed somewhere between the Romans and the Americans. If race was something that was biologically derived and history could be understood as the interaction of well-defined races, then this would not have happened - the Romans would have been a state by Italians for Italians, and they would not have accepted anyone else as citizens, let alone rulers of their empire.

Or... I mean, to be blunt about it, you can literally look at US censuses (censi?) going back its entire history and watch racial categories emerge with time. Hell, you can watch people change what race they consider themselves to be from one census to the next. These categories are fluid, and they only become rigid once a government starts to make laws and policies that imply or result in different treatment depending on which one you belong to.

[San Lumen]

Once again the point I make goes sailing over the head of the person I am addressing. The point that I am making is NOT that white people are inherently genocidal monsters. It is that white folk are NOT inherently better than others in this respect.

White folks literally invented the concept of race. Further, at least a significant portion of white folks do believe exactly those things you say they don't believe in. This of course ignores the very people on this thread using "protecting European culture" as thinly veiled white supremacy.

Yes white people are much more peaceful than non-white people the simple fact there has not been a genocide in multicultural Europe proves this. Race has always existed since time memorial whites are the only humans who tried to categorize humans based on genetics. So what if some white believe that? Most whites dont believe in race they have no issue having their culture replaced by a non-white one like you. White supremacy? Thats stupid whites are superior to no one.

Then explain the rise in hate crime across Europe and North America. White Supremacy and Neo Nazism is a growing problem in the United States and Canada.

Saying that white people are more peaceful as opposed to others comes off as very racist. And not been a genocide? Ever heard of the Holocaust?

with your statements I wonder. Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city?

[Post War America]

Once again the point I make goes sailing over the head of the person I am addressing. The point that I am making is NOT that white people are inherently genocidal monsters. It is that white folk are NOT inherently better than others in this respect.

White folks literally invented the concept of race. Further, at least a significant portion of white folks do believe exactly those things you say they don't believe in. This of course ignores the very people on this thread using "protecting European culture" as thinly veiled white supremacy.

Yes white people are much more peaceful than non-white people the simple fact there has not been a genocide in multicultural Europe proves this. Race has always existed since time memorial whites are the only humans who tried to categorize humans based on genetics. So what if some white believe that? Most whites dont believe in race they have no issue having their culture replaced by a non-white one like you. White supremacy? Thats stupid whites are superior to no one.

Those are some awfully big claims to make without evidence.

[Korvale]

Then explain the rise in hate crime across Europe and North America. White Supremacy and Neo Nazism is a growing problem in the United States and Canada.

Saying that white people are more peaceful as opposed to others comes off as very racist. And not been a genocide? Ever heard of the Holocaust?

with your statements I wonder. Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city?

Then explain the rise in hate crime across Europe and North America. White Supremacy and Neo Nazism is a growing problem in the United States and Canada.

What hate crime? You must mean the ones done against white people by muslims and africans. Neo-Nazis are a boogeyman

Saying that white people are more peaceful as opposed to others comes off as very racist. And not been a genocide? Ever heard of the Holocaust?

Germans did the holocaust not all europeans so stop using it as way to vilify all europeans. White people are more peaceful than other races in the current multicultural Europe but I believe the east asians are even more peaceful than white people. If whites were not mostly peaceful dogooders then something like Christianity would have been rejected in Europe in favor of the more violent and dominating Islam.

with your statements I wonder. Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city

It depends on the race if black or muslim they will slowly through racial nepotism make the demands of their race the most important in that city as we see in London today where muslims are basically the master class due to London's muslim mayor calling the shots. In many african majority cities the needs of minorities like hispanics or asians are ignored in favor of blacks due a black majority cabinet.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Have either of you ever considered that maybe, just maybe, race is an exceptionally poor prism through which to look at history? I mean most of the races you speak of today weren't even recognised as meaningful political, cultural or social categories until pretty recently, and generally only as a result of legal or policy distinction imposed from the outside by governments. Races, as you understand them today, are a product of historical processes, not a driver of them. So it really makes no sense to speak of them in the way the two of you do.

Only white people dont believe in race all others do.

Like you said:

What stupidity

But if diversity is good why dont israelis accept muslim culture?

Some Israelis are Muslims, so you'll have to specify which Israelis you're talking about

What stupidity, you can even see today the only reason there is any racial equality is because of white people changing their ways meaning if they didnt change we would still in those times.

>Implying civil rights activists had no impact on hindering racism.

Lol what?

I see black people all the time going cracker this cracker that kill the white bitch kill that fucking honkie, mexicans call us gringos, muslims call us infidels showing they see race as they are attacking us racially with these comments.

And white people call black people "niggers, alligator babies, etc.", call Mexicans and other Hispanics "anchor babies, etc.", and call Muslims and other Middle Easterners "rag headed terrorists, sand niggers, etc."

See? Stereotypes can come back on you.

Once again the point I make goes sailing over the head of the person I am addressing. The point that I am making is NOT that white people are inherently genocidal monsters. It is that white folk are NOT inherently better than others in this respect.

White folks literally invented the concept of race. Further, at least a significant portion of white folks do believe exactly those things you say they don't believe in. This of course ignores the very people on this thread using "protecting European culture" as thinly veiled white supremacy.

Yes white people are much more peaceful than non-white people the simple fact there has not been a genocide in multicultural Europe proves this.

Someone doesn't know European history

Race has always existed since time memorial

Race doesn't exist. Ethnicity does

whites are the only humans who tried to categorize humans based on genetics.

Proof?

Most whites dont believe in race they have no issue having their culture replaced by a non-white one like you.

Tell that too all the white people on this thread who do have a problem with that

White supremacy?

Yes, that exists

[San Lumen]

Then explain the rise in hate crime across Europe and North America. White Supremacy and Neo Nazism is a growing problem in the United States and Canada.

Saying that white people are more peaceful as opposed to others comes off as very racist. And not been a genocide? Ever heard of the Holocaust?

with your statements I wonder. Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city?

Then explain the rise in hate crime across Europe and North America. White Supremacy and Neo Nazism is a growing problem in the United States and Canada.

What hate crime? You must mean the ones done against white people by muslims and africans. Neo-Nazis are a boogeyman

Saying that white people are more peaceful as opposed to others comes off as very racist. And not been a genocide? Ever heard of the Holocaust?

Germans did the holocaust not all europeans so stop using it as way to vilify all europeans. White people are more peaceful than other races in the current multicultural Europe but I believe the east asians are even more peaceful than white people. If whites were not mostly peaceful dogooders then something like Christianity would have been rejected in Europe in favor of the more violent and dominating Islam.

with your statements I wonder. Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city

It depends on the race if black or muslim they will slowly through racial nepotism make the demands of their race the most important in that city as we see in London today where muslims are basically the master class due to London's muslim mayor calling the shots. In many african majority cities the needs of minorities like hispanics or asians are ignored in favor of blacks due a black majority cabinet.

Most hate crimes are not done by non whites. There is no rise in hate crimes against whites. Plus give a statistic to back up your claim.

So you do have an issue with non white police officers and firefighters and other civil service jobs? Doctors too?

What in the world do you mean by racial neoptism and London's muslims mayor calling the shots? He was duly elected by people of London in a free and fair election.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamophobic_incidents
https://www.statista.com/statistics/737 ... rime-type/
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/h ... 01992.html

[Neu Leonstein]

[...] as we see in London today where muslims are basically the master class due to London's muslim mayor calling the shots. [...]

Look mate, what are you talking about? I live here and the closest thing I've seen to a Muslim master class is a bunch of Qatari-registered twin-turbo V12 limited edition SUVs, and they're sure as shit not here because of the mayor.

[Korvale]

Most hate crimes are not done by non whites. There is no rise in hate crimes against whites. Plus give a statistic to back up your claim.

So you do have an issue with non white police officers and firefighters and other civil service jobs? Doctors too?

What in the world do you mean by racial neoptism and London's muslims mayor calling the shots? He was duly elected by people of London in a free and fair election.

Of course there is no rise you clearly dont live anywhere near non-white immigrants as a majority, any white person that lives in a black majority area knows at some point in time black people will attack him/her for no reason only because they are white this doesnt count as hate crime in the US for some reason.

The only issue is if the non-white can change government policies or influence the media to shift into the demands of their race being a doctor is so so.

He was elected yes and now only muslims will matter in London, go ahead punch any muslim in London and watch you get a hate crime charge for just hitting them for no reason not even racial just hitting them. Its "islamophobic" to be against anything the muslim races do in the UK period thats an example of the legislation that will come into play as their numbers increase and you whites of the UK all die.

Look mate, what are you talking about? I live here and the closest thing I've seen to a Muslim master class is a bunch of Qatari-registered twin-turbo V12 limited edition SUVs, and they're sure as shit not here because of the mayor.

Criticize muslims I dare you and watch your police show up to your door.

>Implying civil rights activists had no impact on hindering racism.

They only worked because whites are docile people, if whites were violent evil racist they would actually mass murder any civil rights activist at all, the fact civil rights got to where it was shows how peaceful white people are.

[San Lumen]

Most hate crimes are not done by non whites. There is no rise in hate crimes against whites. Plus give a statistic to back up your claim.

So you do have an issue with non white police officers and firefighters and other civil service jobs? Doctors too?

What in the world do you mean by racial neoptism and London's muslims mayor calling the shots? He was duly elected by people of London in a free and fair election.

Of course there is no rise you clearly dont live anywhere near non-white immigrants as a majority, any white person that lives in a black majority area knows at some point in time black people will attack him/her for no reason only because they are white this doesnt count as hate crime in the US for some reason.

The only issue is if the non-white can change government policies or influence the media to shift into the demands of their race being a doctor is so so.

He was elected yes and now only muslims will matter in London, go ahead punch any muslim in London and watch you get a hate crime charge for just hitting them for no reason not even racial just hitting them. Its "islamophobic" to be against anything the muslim races do in the UK period thats an example of the legislation that will come into play as their numbers increase and you whites of the UK all die.

Look mate, what are you talking about? I live here and the closest thing I've seen to a Muslim master class is a bunch of Qatari-registered twin-turbo V12 limited edition SUVs, and they're sure as shit not here because of the mayor.

Criticize muslims I dare you and watch your police show up to your door.

I reside in a diverse multicultural city and I have not seen any rise in anti white crimes. So please provide some evidence for your ridiculous claim.

Your claims about London are just absurd. The same thing would happen no matter what the race.

There have been several hate crimes in my city of New York recently and the mayor condemned each and every one of them no matter the race.

A gentlemen I follow on Instagram is a officer for the New York City Sheriff's department. He's originally from Dominica. Should he not be allowed to be a cop because of his race?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Korvale, you haven't provided any sources for your claims, and there are lots of violent white people, just like there are lots of violent people of any race.

[Kubumba Tribe]

If all white people were docile, as Korvale claims, slavery would never have existed in the US.

[Korvale]

Korvale, you haven't provided any sources for your claims, and there are lots of violent white people, just like there are lots of violent people of any race.

Whites are softies compared to the non-white races, whites get beat up by blacks or muslims all the time in America or Europe, they have an aversion to violence as well thats why whites always look for a peaceful solution to a problem nowadays. You see these white people saying anything to stop other whites from getting violent at this diversity stuff like "its our strength" "it enrichs our culture" "its the right thing to do" and so on. So they are more peaceful nowadays is what I am saying. You are obviously a white person as only a white person views lack of violence is a thing to be proud of.

If all white people were docile, as Korvale claims, slavery would never have existed in the US.

Blacks are free so they are docile.

[Pilarcraft]

Korvale, you haven't provided any sources for your claims, and there are lots of violent white people, just like there are lots of violent people of any race.

Whites are softies compared to the non-white races, whites get beat up by blacks or muslims all the time in America or Europe, they have an aversion to violence as well thats why whites always look for a peaceful solution to a problem nowadays. You see these white people saying anything to stop other whites from getting violent at this diversity stuff like "its our strength" "it enrichs our culture" "its the right thing to do" and so on. So they are more peaceful nowadays is what I am saying. You are obviously a white person as only a white person views lack of violence is a thing to be proud of.

that is both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof? anything that isn't anecdotal and can be seen as a trend?

[Ifaltannia]

I'll state my opinion in a sentence or two:

If forced it rarely bodes good. If brought on naturally over time, there is less risk of a disaster or crisis.

[Korvale]

Whites are softies compared to the non-white races, whites get beat up by blacks or muslims all the time in America or Europe, they have an aversion to violence as well thats why whites always look for a peaceful solution to a problem nowadays. You see these white people saying anything to stop other whites from getting violent at this diversity stuff like "its our strength" "it enrichs our culture" "its the right thing to do" and so on. So they are more peaceful nowadays is what I am saying. You are obviously a white person as only a white person views lack of violence is a thing to be proud of.

that is both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof? anything that isn't anecdotal and can be seen as a trend?

Whites are wusses nowadays they were violent nutjobs like 300 years ago but nowadays its like they have been metaphorically castrated.

A gentlemen I follow on Instagram is a officer for the New York City Sheriff's department. He's originally from Dominica. Should he not be allowed to be a cop because of his race?

Its not a job that can influence media or government policies so its fine.

[Pilarcraft]

that is both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof? anything that isn't anecdotal and can be seen as a trend?

Whites are wusses nowadays they were violent nutjobs like 300 years ago but nowadays its like they have been metaphorically castrated.

that is also both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof for that?

[Korvale]

Whites are wusses nowadays they were violent nutjobs like 300 years ago but nowadays its like they have been metaphorically castrated.

that is also both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof for that?

How is it inaccurate? The fact white people let another race or many races tell them what to do show they are wusses with no spine for themselves. Notice diversity only really exists in white countries. Before you go and tell me Im wrong Latin America is made up of a mixed racial majority its not diverse at all, the majority of Brazil is a hybrid mixed race not diverse either, Africa is definitely not diverse, nor any area in East Asia,Middle east all one dominant ethnic majority barely any diversity at all, and India is made up of many ethnicities but really its a single brown skinned racial group a majority so not diverse either.

[Neu Leonstein]

Africa is definitely not diverse

At this stage you're just broadcasting your ignorance even in the thoroughly discredited field of Rassenkunde on which you base your arguments.

[Minoa]

With all due respect, I remain firm that xenophobia is unacceptable, especially with this incident in Italy. I believe that diversity and multiculturalism is simply the acceptance of people as equal human beings. It is not a code word for some far-right conspiracy theory out there.

[H W Bush]

With all due respect, I remain firm that xenophobia is unacceptable, especially with this incident in Italy.

merely an incident triggered by the behaviour of the people you are trying to force society to accept

same thing with the finsbury mosque attacker

[San Lumen]

that is both inaccurate, presumptuous, and irrefutably false. you have any statistical proof? anything that isn't anecdotal and can be seen as a trend?

Whites are wusses nowadays they were violent nutjobs like 300 years ago but nowadays its like they have been metaphorically castrated.

A gentlemen I follow on Instagram is a officer for the New York City Sheriff's department. He's originally from Dominica. Should he not be allowed to be a cop because of his race?

Its not a job that can influence media or government policies so its fine.

So there are certain jobs someone shouldn't be allowed to do because of their race? if so what are they?
That is the definition of racism

[Korvale]

Africa is definitely not diverse

At this stage you're just broadcasting your ignorance even in the thoroughly discredited field of Rassenkunde on which you base your arguments.

Africa is not a mixture of races thus not diverse its that simple. Most black african countries are 90% black african the ethnicities dont matter they are all one single black racial group.

So there are certain jobs someone shouldn't be allowed to do because of their race? if so what are they?
That is the definition of racism

Anything that can influence media or laws people who are not the natives of that region shouldnt be allowed to get those professions regardless of how they qualified they are as people care about their tribe their ethnicity and will stop at nothing to ensure their demands are met.

[Lysset]

At this stage you're just broadcasting your ignorance even in the thoroughly discredited field of Rassenkunde on which you base your arguments.

Africa is not a mixture of races thus not diverse its that simple. Most black african countries are 90% black african the ethnicities dont matter they are all one single black racial group.

Yeah, tell a someone from the Xhosa tribe that they're the exact same as the Zulus! See where that gets you.