Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Holy Tedalonia]

To be fair, the crusaders were excommunicated by the Pope for them attacking a catholic city, and pretty much became a merc army at that point. Then went to Constantinople where if they helped a dude becoming emperor he would pay them money. All was goo until that emperor got overthrown leaving a bunch of angry Catholics without pay.

Imagine being hired for a year, but since your employer was fired your also fired.

Yeah. When I get fired, I go burn down one of the greatest cities on earth and rape a nun. There was no "to be fair" about it.

Every feudal political marriage especially unhappy ones, often have sex without the women's consent. Also Constantinople was barely razed. It's ancient buildings are still standing as opposed the the great library of Alexandria which was. You'll also find medieval era to be very much filled with assholes from ottomans to catholic peasants.

[Ultramarr]

Then the Ottomans later committed the Greek genocide in all the Byzantine lands in Asia minor, castrated the boys and kidnapped women as sex slaves and kidnapped little boys as janissaries or child soldiers and during the Latin empire the city's inhabitants weren't all killed or forced to leave while modern day Constantinople/Istanbul when I went there(I liked Turkey now but when they invaded the Byzantines it was horrible) has no Byzantine/Greek left

Yeah, let me explain what the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey was. Greece and Turkey agreed to mutually deport citizens of each other's ethnicity. As for the Greek Genocide itself, that was horrible and definitely should be condemned. But that was, ya know, 500 years after the period we are discussing.

That was afterwards and the population exchange and all that was under the Ataturk era not the Ottomans I think. I think the Ottoman rulers were pretty horrible but I do admire Ataturk a great nationalist leader

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Yeah. When I get fired, I go burn down one of the greatest cities on earth and rape a nun. There was no "to be fair" about it.

Every feudal political marriage especially unhappy ones, often have sex without the women's consent. Also Constantinople was barely razed. It's ancient buildings are still standing as opposed the the great library of Alexandria which was. You'll also find medieval era to be very much filled with assholes from ottomans to catholic peasants.

What are you on about, Ted? Who said literally anything about political marriages? Are you defending raping nuns now? And lol @barely razed. Did you just not read anything I wrote? It's funny that you mention a great library, considering I specifically mentioned the Great Library of Constantinople which the Crusaders did raze.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Yeah, let me explain what the 1923 population exchange between Greece and Turkey was. Greece and Turkey agreed to mutually deport citizens of each other's ethnicity. As for the Greek Genocide itself, that was horrible and definitely should be condemned. But that was, ya know, 500 years after the period we are discussing.

That was afterwards and the population exchange and all that was under the Ataturk era not the Ottomans I think. I think the Ottoman rulers were pretty horrible but I do admire Ataturk a great nationalist leader

So, you're just going to ignore the last sentence about its irrelevance? Lol k.

[Ultramarr]

That was afterwards and the population exchange and all that was under the Ataturk era not the Ottomans I think. I think the Ottoman rulers were pretty horrible but I do admire Ataturk a great nationalist leader

So, you're just going to ignore the last sentence about its irrelevance? Lol k.

So the Ottoman conquest was worse since it will last for 500 years of brutality and Constantinople will fall out of East Roman/Byzantine hands forever unlike with the Venetians

[Al-Ismailiyya]

So, you're just going to ignore the last sentence about its irrelevance? Lol k.

So the Ottoman conquest was worse since it will last for 500 years of brutality and Constantinople will fall out of East Roman/Byzantine hands forever unlike with the Venetians

Yeah? How do you think the Latin Empire would have turned out? Greece probably wouldn't even be Orthodox today and Constantinople would have fallen into a backwater. This is based on the Latin Empire's 60 year rule during which the Empire was so poor that its emperors had to resort to selling holy relics for income.

[Holy Tedalonia]

Every feudal political marriage especially unhappy ones, often have sex without the women's consent. Also Constantinople was barely razed. It's ancient buildings are still standing as opposed the the great library of Alexandria which was. You'll also find medieval era to be very much filled with assholes from ottomans to catholic peasants.

What are you on about, Ted? Who said literally anything about political marriages? Are you defending raping nuns now?

Political marriages often ensued rape. To be frank you'll find midevil era to be filled with assholes left and right.

And lol @barely razed. Did you just not read anything I wrote? It's funny that you mention a great library, considering I specifically mentioned the Great Library of Constantinople which the Crusaders did raze.

With the level of theocratic assholes in that era I wouldn't doubt that the ottomans would've burnt the documents too. They wouldn't care much for documents none-Muslim, especially since they were undergoing a holy war.

[Fenriis]

So the Ottoman conquest was worse since it will last for 500 years of brutality and Constantinople will fall out of East Roman/Byzantine hands forever unlike with the Venetians

Yeah? How do you think the Latin Empire would have turned out? Greece probably wouldn't even be Orthodox today and Constantinople would have fallen into a backwater. This is based on the Latin Empire's 60 year rule during which the Empire was so poor that its emperors had to resort to selling holy relics for income.

If they remained Orthodox under the Turks they would have likely done the same under the Venetians. As for what the Empire would have been like I am not sure although the Latin empire might have stopped being so incompetent or maybe they wouldn't. Due to its location and size whoever owned Constantinople I doubt it would have ever been backwater

[Fenriis]

Every feudal political marriage especially unhappy ones, often have sex without the women's consent. Also Constantinople was barely razed. It's ancient buildings are still standing as opposed the the great library of Alexandria which was. You'll also find medieval era to be very much filled with assholes from ottomans to catholic peasants.

What are you on about, Ted? Who said literally anything about political marriages? Are you defending raping nuns now? And lol @barely razed. Did you just not read anything I wrote? It's funny that you mention a great library, considering I specifically mentioned the Great Library of Constantinople which the Crusaders did raze.

Well the Ottomans raped women and sometimes children as sex slaves by the Sultan while the 4th crusaders raped nuns neither were innocent of not raping

[Post War America]

So, you're just going to ignore the last sentence about its irrelevance? Lol k.

So the Ottoman conquest was worse since it will last for 500 years of brutality and Constantinople will fall out of East Roman/Byzantine hands forever unlike with the Venetians

Yes and? Empires aren't formed by kindness, and the Ottomans were far from exceptional in their brutality, and further to reiterate a point you seem to love to point out. The Byzantines lost, get over it.

[Ultramarr]

So the Ottoman conquest was worse since it will last for 500 years of brutality and Constantinople will fall out of East Roman/Byzantine hands forever unlike with the Venetians

Yes and? Empires aren't formed by kindness, and the Ottomans were far from exceptional in their brutality, and further to reiterate a point you seem to love to point out. The Byzantines lost, get over it.

Yes I know I personally like the Byzantines and I don't like the Ottomans much I don't claim to be impartial. I like some empires others I don't

[Al-Ismailiyya]

What are you on about, Ted? Who said literally anything about political marriages? Are you defending raping nuns now?

Political marriages often ensued rape. To be frank you'll find midevil era to be filled with assholes left and right.

And lol @barely razed. Did you just not read anything I wrote? It's funny that you mention a great library, considering I specifically mentioned the Great Library of Constantinople which the Crusaders did raze.

With the level of theocratic assholes in that era I wouldn't doubt that the ottomans would've burnt the documents too. They wouldn't care much for documents none-Muslim, especially since they were undergoing a holy war.

Again, what do political marriages have to do with raping nuns in their convents?

Uh... Have you never heard of the House of Wisdom? It was one of the greatest libraries in history, full of Greek, Latin, Arabic, Persian, etc. books and manuscripts? I'm not sure where you are getting this whole "Muslims destroy everything that isn't Muslim" way of thinking from.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

Yeah? How do you think the Latin Empire would have turned out? Greece probably wouldn't even be Orthodox today and Constantinople would have fallen into a backwater. This is based on the Latin Empire's 60 year rule during which the Empire was so poor that its emperors had to resort to selling holy relics for income.

If they remained Orthodox under the Turks they would have likely done the same under the Venetians. As for what the Empire would have been like I am not sure although the Latin empire might have stopped being so incompetent or maybe they wouldn't. Due to its location and size whoever owned Constantinople I doubt it would have ever been backwater

Well, the Venetians removed all of the Orthodox clergy. The Ottomans did no such thing.

And under the Latins, 1/3 of Constantinople was homeless. So...

[Al-Ismailiyya]

What are you on about, Ted? Who said literally anything about political marriages? Are you defending raping nuns now? And lol @barely razed. Did you just not read anything I wrote? It's funny that you mention a great library, considering I specifically mentioned the Great Library of Constantinople which the Crusaders did raze.

Well the Ottomans raped women and sometimes children as sex slaves by the Sultan while the 4th crusaders raped nuns neither were innocent of not raping

Of course. But the Ottoman conquest is not worse than the Crusaders', as our fellow poster would claim.

[Korvale]

Only if the cultures are compatible if not then it will eventually lead to conflict. America is peaceful atm due to its white majority but once that becomes a minority the ethnic former minorities such as african americans, hispanics, and even west asians will clash with eachother resulting in only of the above groups ending as the racial majority in America, and the group who will hold all the power in America. Diversity only works with white people it appears. In addition I have no doubts the west asians in Europe will one day conquer it whether through breeding or violence.

[Wahlid]

Only if the cultures are compatible if not then it will eventually lead to conflict. America is peaceful atm due to its white majority but once that becomes a minority the ethnic former minorities such as african americans, hispanics, and even west asians will clash with eachother resulting in only of the above groups ending as the racial majority in America, and the group who will hold all the power in America. Diversity only works with white people it appears. In addition I have no doubts the west asians in Europe will one day conquer it whether through breeding or violence.

1) Diversity isn't limited to race
2) Funny how you left out Eastern Asians and Subcontinental Asians

[Kubumba Tribe]

Only if the cultures are compatible if not then it will eventually lead to conflict. America is peaceful atm due to its white majority but once that becomes a minority the ethnic former minorities such as african americans, hispanics, and even west asians will clash with eachother resulting in only of the above groups ending as the racial majority in America, and the group who will hold all the power in America. Diversity only works with white people it appears. In addition I have no doubts the west asians in Europe will one day conquer it whether through breeding or violence.

White people being a majority has no bearing on the behavior of other races/ethnicities.

[Post War America]

Only if the cultures are compatible if not then it will eventually lead to conflict. America is peaceful atm due to its white majority but once that becomes a minority the ethnic former minorities such as african americans, hispanics, and even west asians will clash with eachother resulting in only of the above groups ending as the racial majority in America, and the group who will hold all the power in America. Diversity only works with white people it appears. In addition I have no doubts the west asians in Europe will one day conquer it whether through breeding or violence.

Ah so you're openly racist then.

[Korvale]

Only if the cultures are compatible if not then it will eventually lead to conflict. America is peaceful atm due to its white majority but once that becomes a minority the ethnic former minorities such as african americans, hispanics, and even west asians will clash with eachother resulting in only of the above groups ending as the racial majority in America, and the group who will hold all the power in America. Diversity only works with white people it appears. In addition I have no doubts the west asians in Europe will one day conquer it whether through breeding or violence.

White people being a majority has no bearing on the behavior of other races/ethnicities.

Whites are a docile group of humans so as long as they are a majority the country will be free of interracial conflict, once whites are too small to hold back the other races in these countries there shall be bloodshed its an inevitable result of multiculturalism turning into monoculturalism with America becoming another Mexico and Europe turning into an islamic continent all with a single dominant culture. The cultures of minorities will be trampled into irrelevance in these new diverse lands as I repeat only white people work with diversity, non white people dont as they like keeping their cultures no matter what. An example are african americans driving out white americans in cities this is an example of how a non-white race doesnt want its culture dominated by another. Of course there are too little blacks for them to begin a race war with white people like what happened in Haiti and Zimbabwe.

[Post War America]

White people being a majority has no bearing on the behavior of other races/ethnicities.

Whites are a docile group of humans so as long as they are a majority the country will be free of interracial conflict, once whites are too small to hold back the other races in these countries there shall be bloodshed its an inevitable result of multiculturalism turning into monoculturalism with America becoming another Mexico and Europe turning into an islamic continent all with a single dominant culture. The cultures of minorities will be trampled into irrelevance in these new diverse lands as I repeat only white people work with diversity, non white people dont as they like keeping their cultures no matter what. An example are african americans driving out white americans in cities this is an example of how a non-white race doesnt want its culture dominated by another. Of course there are too little blacks for them to begin a race war with white people like what happened in Haiti and Zimbabwe.

Yes, white folk are so docile, the most docile and peaceful people people in the world. Europeans, are outright pacifist when compared to those brown people. I mean even many Europeans would have a laugh at your absolutely insane notion that white people are any more peaceful than other races. Especially when people in Europe have fought wars over such ridiculous things as Cod fishing rights. But go ahead, do tell us how white folks are peaceful, especially when they've been fighting virtually nonstop wars for the past three thousand years.

I mean for fuck's sake, Europeans forged some of the largest empires in the world, and one doesn't get to form massive empires by being nice about it. Given that these not nice actions were located in Asia and Africa, you can guess that they were taken against people who were not white.

[San Lumen]

White people being a majority has no bearing on the behavior of other races/ethnicities.

Whites are a docile group of humans so as long as they are a majority the country will be free of interracial conflict, once whites are too small to hold back the other races in these countries there shall be bloodshed its an inevitable result of multiculturalism turning into monoculturalism with America becoming another Mexico and Europe turning into an islamic continent all with a single dominant culture. The cultures of minorities will be trampled into irrelevance in these new diverse lands as I repeat only white people work with diversity, non white people dont as they like keeping their cultures no matter what. An example are african americans driving out white americans in cities this is an example of how a non-white race doesnt want its culture dominated by another. Of course there are too little blacks for them to begin a race war with white people like what happened in Haiti and Zimbabwe.

Im sorry but this sounds very racist to me. Whose culture is being trampled? You ever been to London, Paris, Toronto, Frankfurt or New York. There is no cultural clashing or islamization there.

Do you have an issue with non white police officers or firefighters or say a black, Hispanic or asian person being elected mayor of a majority white city?

[Holy Tedalonia]

Political marriages often ensued rape. To be frank you'll find midevil era to be filled with assholes left and right.


With the level of theocratic assholes in that era I wouldn't doubt that the ottomans would've burnt the documents too. They wouldn't care much for documents none-Muslim, especially since they were undergoing a holy war.

Again, what do political marriages have to do with raping nuns in their convents?

Woman are raped by their husbands nearly all the time in this era, so it's hardly out of the cultural norm. The only difference is this band of crusaders are raping holy people. Normally any person in that era would be repulsed except the people who would bother to stop it is in the far west.

Uh... Have you never heard of the House of Wisdom? It was one of the greatest libraries in history, full of Greek, Latin, Arabic, Persian, etc. books and manuscripts? I'm not sure where you are getting this whole "Muslims destroy everything that isn't Muslim" way of thinking from.

I have specifically stated that whether they are Muslim, pagan, or christian, they're a bunch of assholes especially in this era regardless of faith. I could easily say that the Christians preserved a lot of Roman texts and pagan traditions (like Halloween), but there have been bad parts in my religions history that makes me want to defend my faith against those who point it out.

I however have gotten past that, and accepted that in every society, religion, or culture that there is no "perfect" only the imperfect. When I look at a immoral Christian I won't cover it up by saying this or that is "worse". I look at this "Ottoman vs Crusader which is worse" thing as a bragging contest for who didnt do the worst in history under which religion. In this scenario it would be which is the least awful bad Muslim or bad Christian. In the end it doesn't necessarily matter. Both did bad, and neither are forgivable.

[Aellex]

Im sorry but this sounds very racist to me. Whose culture is being trampled? You ever been to London, Paris, Toronto, Frankfurt or New York. There is no cultural clashing or islamization there.

"There is no cultural clashing or islamisation in Paris, Toronto, Frankfurt or London!"
>mfw he is actually serious

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/166/600/f4b.jpg

Did you ever actually went to any of those cities? Because it distinctly sounds like you never did.

[Aillyria]

Im sorry but this sounds very racist to me. Whose culture is being trampled? You ever been to London, Paris, Toronto, Frankfurt or New York. There is no cultural clashing or islamization there.

"There is no cultural clashing or islamisation in Paris, Toronto, Frankfurt or London!"
>mfw he is actually serious

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/166/600/f4b.jpg

Did you ever actually went to any of those cities? Because it distinctly sounds like you never did.

I've been to London recently (late 2017), and nothing was clashing, nor did I see any "islamization"..........

[Taihei Tengoku]

Whites are a docile group of humans so as long as they are a majority the country will be free of interracial conflict, once whites are too small to hold back the other races in these countries there shall be bloodshed its an inevitable result of multiculturalism turning into monoculturalism with America becoming another Mexico and Europe turning into an islamic continent all with a single dominant culture. The cultures of minorities will be trampled into irrelevance in these new diverse lands as I repeat only white people work with diversity, non white people dont as they like keeping their cultures no matter what. An example are african americans driving out white americans in cities this is an example of how a non-white race doesnt want its culture dominated by another. Of course there are too little blacks for them to begin a race war with white people like what happened in Haiti and Zimbabwe.

Yes, white folk are so docile, the most docile and peaceful people people in the world. Europeans, are outright pacifist when compared to those brown people. I mean even many Europeans would have a laugh at your absolutely insane notion that white people are any more peaceful than other races. Especially when people in Europe have fought wars over such ridiculous things as Cod fishing rights. But go ahead, do tell us how white folks are peaceful, especially when they've been fighting virtually nonstop wars for the past three thousand years.

I mean for fuck's sake, Europeans forged some of the largest empires in the world, and one doesn't get to form massive empires by being nice about it. Given that these not nice actions were located in Asia and Africa, you can guess that they were taken against people who were not white.

europeans are so warlike none of them want to fight