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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:58 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:If they want to tax Non-Muslims for the simple fact that they aren't Muslims, that's wrong.


You can keep playing the semantics game all you want but I'm not dumb enough to fall for it. That's what you want to do.

No I don't.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Washington Resistance Army
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:59 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
You can keep playing the semantics game all you want but I'm not dumb enough to fall for it. That's what you want to do.

No I don't.


Given how often you advocate for implementing a tax that only applies to non-Muslims, yeah, you do. Unless you've changed opinions recently and are no longer advocating all that nonsense.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:01 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:No I don't.


Given how often you advocate for implementing a tax that only applies to non-Muslims, yeah, you do. Unless you've changed opinions recently and are no longer advocating all that nonsense.

Don't forget the 100 lashes for any 'illegal sex'.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:02 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:No I don't.


Given how often you advocate for implementing a tax that only applies to non-Muslims, yeah, you do. Unless you've changed opinions recently and are no longer advocating all that.

Yes, there is a tax for Non-Muslims - jizyah - and a tax for Muslims: zakah
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:02 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given how often you advocate for implementing a tax that only applies to non-Muslims, yeah, you do. Unless you've changed opinions recently and are no longer advocating all that nonsense.

Don't forget the 100 lashes for any 'illegal sex'.


I for one can't wait to return to the dark ages. I can finally become a grand duke conquering all the places whilst taking concubines and burning heathens.
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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:04 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Don't forget the 100 lashes for any 'illegal sex'.


I for one can't wait to return to the dark ages. I can finally become a grand duke conquering all the places whilst taking concubines and burning heathens.

:blink:
I'll...just...>scurries away<
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Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
I'm a New Afrikan Muslim :) https://www.16personalities.com/isfj-personality Sister nation of El-Amin Caliphate
Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:05 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I for one can't wait to return to the dark ages. I can finally become a grand duke conquering all the places whilst taking concubines and burning heathens.

:blink:
I'll...just...>scurried away<


Oh worry not you'll fit right in, you're pretty much advocating a return to such times.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Given how often you advocate for implementing a tax that only applies to non-Muslims, yeah, you do. Unless you've changed opinions recently and are no longer advocating all that.

Yes, there is a tax for Non-Muslims - jizyah - and a tax for Muslims: zakah


Yeah, a tax for not being Muslim. Thanks but no thanks.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:06 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
I for one can't wait to return to the dark ages. I can finally become a grand duke conquering all the places whilst taking concubines and burning heathens.

:blink:
I'll...just...>scurries away<

It's scary when you look in the mirror isn't it?

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The Conez Imperium
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:06 pm

Kubrath wrote:There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?


We don't ignore these problems, we just acknowledge it's a different discussion. Is diversity good or bad is different to what happens when permanent residents commit crimes. Note I said commit crimes instead of advocacy. There's a difference if an immigrant commits FGM without consent compared to them advocating for FGM. When legal immigrants have successfully passed the process and obtained their permanent residency, then they're part of the community and we change perspective. We don't view them as outsiders but rather contributing members of our community.

The problem I think you find is the difference between advocating and implementing. (We're on the internet too so take with a grain of salt). These people in the thread advocating for Shari'ah law aren't actively breaking the law. Take "Kubumba Tribe" who wants Shariah law; has Kubumba broken the law yet or is conspiring to break the law? I personally don't bother with these types of posts because of that reason. If there was a serious movement dedicated to breaking the law then we would be having a different discussion.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh worry not you'll fit right in, you're pretty much advocating a return to such times.

I don't support that scary stuff.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah, a tax for not being Muslim. Thanks but no thanks.

Yeah, just like there's a tax for being Muslim
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:07 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote: :blink:
I'll...just...>scurried away<


Oh worry not you'll fit right in, you're pretty much advocating a return to such times.

Kubumba Tribe wrote:Yes, there is a tax for Non-Muslims - jizyah - and a tax for Muslims: zakah


Yeah, a tax for not being Muslim. Thanks but no thanks.

Top 10 Ways to get the tax collector shot.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:09 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote: :blink:
I'll...just...>scurries away<

It's scary when you look in the mirror isn't it?

Washington and I aren't the same person, so no.
And I'm pretty sure Washington doesn't look scary either.
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:09 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh worry not you'll fit right in, you're pretty much advocating a return to such times.

I don't support that scary stuff.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah, a tax for not being Muslim. Thanks but no thanks.

Yeah, just like there's a tax for being Muslim

Why in the hell would you want that?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:It's scary when you look in the mirror isn't it?

Washington and I aren't the same person, so no.
And I'm pretty sure Washington doesn't look scary either.

If you read back you'll see that was directed at Kubumba not you.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Washington and I aren't the same person, so no.
And I'm pretty sure Washington doesn't look scary either.

If you read back you'll see that was directed at Kubumba not you.


They're the same person lol
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El-Amin Caliphate
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:10 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I don't support that scary stuff.

Yeah, just like there's a tax for being Muslim

Why in the hell would you want that?

Because Muslims are obligated to pay zakah? Just like Non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizyah?
Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:11 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Why in the hell would you want that?

Because Muslims are obligated to pay zakah? Just like Non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizyah?

Again, fuck that noise.
"time to pay your heathen tax"
"What's the exchange rate in bullets?"
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:12 pm

Genivaria wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Because Muslims are obligated to pay zakah? Just like Non-Muslims are obligated to pay jizyah?

Again, fuck that noise.
"time to pay your heathen tax"
"What's the exchange rate in bullets?"

The ironic thing about that is that there's numerous ayat about (that word)s like you...
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Kubumba Tribe's sister nation. NOT A PUPPET! >w< In fact, this one came 1st.
Proud Full Member of the Council of Islamic Cooperation!^u^
I'm a (Pan) Islamist ;)
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https://americanvision.org/948/theonomy-vs-theocracy/ wrote:God’s law cannot govern a nation where God’s law does not rule in the hearts of the people

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Plaetopia wrote:Partly Free / Hybrid regime (score 4-6) El-Amin Caliphate (5.33)

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 5:13 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Again, fuck that noise.
"time to pay your heathen tax"
"What's the exchange rate in bullets?"

The ironic thing about that is that there's numerous what about (that word)s like you...

....huh?

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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:01 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Oh worry not you'll fit right in, you're pretty much advocating a return to such times.

I don't support that scary stuff.
Washington Resistance Army wrote:Yeah, a tax for not being Muslim. Thanks but no thanks.

Yeah, just like there's a tax for being Muslim


Where is there a tax on being Muslim.

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Postby The Sauganash Union » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:13 pm

When you have a shitty people, you get a shitty product.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:28 pm

The Sauganash Union wrote:When you have a shitty people, you get a shitty product.

Im sorry?

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Wed Jan 31, 2018 6:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:When you have a shitty people, you get a shitty product.

Im sorry?


The opposite is true as well. When you have good people, you have a good product.
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:51 pm

San Lumen wrote:
The Sauganash Union wrote:When you have a shitty people, you get a shitty product.

Im sorry?

Again, all cultures are not equal, some are good and some are shit.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jan 31, 2018 7:55 pm

The Lone Alliance wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Im sorry?

Again, all cultures are not equal, some are good and some are shit.

Truth.

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