Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Trumptonium]

Because neither the Conservative Party nor PiS is actively hostile towards Germany.

Oh, I'm sorry - the neverending Nazi comparisons, talks about a bajillion Euro in war reparations and general demonizing and bitching got me a bit confused there. I'm sure the PiS is in fact as pro-German as Merkel and Schulz are pro-Polish.

It's not their fault Germans tend to be highly gullible and sorry for their existence, hence making them an easy trolling target. Nobody has ever said that Poland needs 14 gazillion deutschemarks in war reparations with a straight face. It is tit-for-tat. Germans piss off Poland by meddling in domestic affairs, Poland meddles in German finances. C'est la vie.

The monopoly of German companies and draining of corporate profits from Poland into Frankfurt is a different matter entirely.

To be honest I wonder if this is as exaggerated in the German media as Erika Steinbach's importance in the Polish media, who is probably the most known German politician after Merkel and Schroder. I'd be willing to bet my car that more Poles know Erika Steinbach than Germans.

Similarly, no Brexit argument is focused on punishing Germany, or being hostile towards it. To the contrary, the argument is that Europe as a whole would be better off as a mere free trade zone.

That's what the pro-Europeanist argument is saying too, that's not really saying much.

[/quote]

People have different views about a means to the same end.

Shock horror.

[Bakery Hill]

It's the whole "economic migrants are bad apart from me" routine also known as "slamming the door shut behind you".

nothing wrong with that tbh

vast majority of immigrants ... don't want immigration. if this is a surprise to you, get out more. though knowing UK socialists, the most foreign people you know is probably the indian doctor down the road, if there's even any non-brits on your road at all

this political view is even larger among US immigrants, particularly chinese and indians, and particularly against amnesty of illegals

i'm fairly sure i saw a poll somewhere of indian americans about amnesty of illegal immigrants, to which the answer was a resounding >90% no (while daca is plurality supported by americans in general...)

Oh it's not surprising, you're a garden variety silver-spooned racist migrant. I've met more than a few of you before, there's no need to flail around trying to validate your opinion. It's hypocritical and actually bit funny no matter how many people are holding.

And although I've lived on a number of different roads, I am blessed enough not to hail from your cold and rain drenched isle.

[San Lumen]

I'm fine with diversity as long as it's not forced and quality is put before it.

Multiculturalism is stupid in my opinion. The whole point of it is to mix all the different culturals together. Nations lose their induvality. Everything becomes dull and bland. Everywhere is just the same.

Diversity=decent. Multiculturalism=bad.

I wouldn't call multiculturalism "bland", because different nations would have different cultures in their borders. Multculturalism isn't bland at all.

I agree its not bland at all. It makes many major cities the amazing places they are.

[Bla Dood]

Can anyone explain why it is a bad thing without sounding like a racial supremacist?

[Oil exporting People]

While the shift in religious demographics seems about right with the data presented, I'm having a hard time finding data on actual ethnicity and projections related to it, and Pew's data shows that the non-affiliated are also projected to rise as a percentage of the population, which leaves some room to interpret that the decline of Christianity is not necessarily synonymous with a decline in white Europeans.

Unless you're arguing there is mass conversions to Islam occurring among native Europeans and I do mean mass, then it's safe to say religious demographics track very closely with demographics. Further, Europeans being in demographic decline does not mean they can't become more irreligious at the same time.

[Baltenstein]

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It's not their fault Germans tend to be highly gullible and sorry for their existence, hence making them an easy trolling target.

And Poles tend to be petty xenophobes and car thieves, true story. Anyway, if you really think using the remembrance of WW2 and its victims as an instrument for trolling your neighbor is a good idea, that's your business.

Nobody has ever said that Poland needs 14 gazillion deutschemarks in war reparations with a straight face

Well this is the same government that also want to criminalize the usage of "Polish death camps" in order to "preserve Poland's good name" after all.

The monopoly of German companies and draining of corporate profits from Poland into Frankfurt is a different matter entirely.

Pretty sure that Poland's economic success that you like to emphasize every so often had to do with creating a foreign investor-friendly enviroment.

To be honest I wonder if this is as exaggerated in the German media as Erika Steinbach's importance in the Polish media, who is probably the most known German politician after Merkel and Schroder. I'd be willing to bet my car that more Poles know Erika Steinbach than Germans.

Maybe.

Anyways, I find it somewhat amusing that you constantly say that natives should be wary and dismissive towards foreigners as a matter of principle, but when it comes to Poles living in a country and supporting a Polish party that is hostile against said country, the natives apparently shouldn't mind. Would you say the same if Poland had a sizeable German community that supported a German party that talks about Poland the way PiS talks about Germany? I don't think so.

[The Conez Imperium]

Can anyone explain why it is a bad thing without sounding like a racial supremacist?

Not every argument presented here is one based on racial supremacy. It just seems like that because they're not very convincing arguments and it's difficult differentiating culture and "skin colour".

Simply put some people dislike diversity because it brings change - an attack on the status quo so to speak. On very simplistic terms, they argue that bringing in an immigrant is a net negative to society compared to the current level of society. These people may talk about culture and how they are "incompatible" but inherently hey make the assumption that "their culture is superior to other". This argument tends to fall apart as they change the goal post: They'd rather Norwegian immigrants rather than immigrants say from Syria. Or they prefer Christian Syrians rather than Muslim Syrians.

Fundamental and inherent to this argument is that they simply do not like difference and that is a valid argument in itself. I don't like diversity because they're different.

[San Lumen]

Can anyone explain why it is a bad thing without sounding like a racial supremacist?

Not every argument presented here is one based on racial supremacy. It just seems like that because they're not very convincing arguments and it's difficult differentiating culture and "skin colour".

Simply put some people dislike diversity because it brings change - an attack on the status quo so to speak. On very simplistic terms, they argue that bringing in an immigrant is a net negative to society compared to the current level of society. These people may talk about culture and how they are "incompatible" but inherently hey make the assumption that "their culture is superior to other". This argument tends to fall apart as they change the goal post: They'd rather Norwegian immigrants rather than immigrants say from Syria. Or they prefer Christian Syrians rather than Muslim Syrians.

Fundamental and inherent to this argument is that they simply do not like difference and that is a valid argument in itself. I don't like diversity because they're different.

I think thats fairly close to accurate.

[Kubrath]

Not every argument presented here is one based on racial supremacy. It just seems like that because they're not very convincing arguments and it's difficult differentiating culture and "skin colour".

Simply put some people dislike diversity because it brings change - an attack on the status quo so to speak. On very simplistic terms, they argue that bringing in an immigrant is a net negative to society compared to the current level of society. These people may talk about culture and how they are "incompatible" but inherently hey make the assumption that "their culture is superior to other". This argument tends to fall apart as they change the goal post: They'd rather Norwegian immigrants rather than immigrants say from Syria. Or they prefer Christian Syrians rather than Muslim Syrians.

Fundamental and inherent to this argument is that they simply do not like difference and that is a valid argument in itself. I don't like diversity because they're different.

I think thats fairly close to accurate.

There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?

[Petrasylvania]

I think thats fairly close to accurate.

There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?

Better to quarantine those savages out of sight, out of mind than give their people exposure to new ideas that may precipitate an evolution in cultural attitudes, clearly.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?

Better to quarantine those savages out of sight, out of mind than give their people exposure to new ideas that may precipitate an evolution in cultural attitudes, clearly.

"New ideas"

Yeah, we stopped whipping people for religious reasons a while ago. Maybe that's something you want to experiment with but I'm not down with my nation having such nonsense.

[San Lumen]

I think thats fairly close to accurate.

There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?

No one wants to establish Shariah law nor do a think lashes are acceptable for being gay. I wanted a debate about diversity and multiculturalism thats why i created this thread.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There's nothing accurate about that, and it's a flimsy strawman at best. For example, a culture which promulgates FGM is objectively inferior to one which does not. There are no ifs, ands or buts about it. I have to say, and don't take this too personally, but it's been pretty disappointing to see how you respond (or rather fail to respond) to some of the ideas promoted here, such as establishing Shari'ah law in the US or 100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity, or levying a non-Muslim tax. You keep ignoring these and just go for the low hanging fruit. Why exactly are you doing this, if you don't mind me asking?

No one wants to establish Shariah law nor do a think lashes are acceptable for being gay. I wanted a debate about diversity and multiculturalism thats why i created this thread.

There have been Muslims in this very thread saying we should do these things.

[Genivaria]

No one wants to establish Shariah law nor do a think lashes are acceptable for being gay. I wanted a debate about diversity and multiculturalism thats why i created this thread.

There have been Muslims in this very thread saying we should do these things.

Kumbumba just the other day actually.

I don't want Sharia.

You don't have a choice

[San Lumen]

No one wants to establish Shariah law nor do a think lashes are acceptable for being gay. I wanted a debate about diversity and multiculturalism thats why i created this thread.

There have been Muslims in this very thread saying we should do these things.

well they can want it but they aren't getting it.

[Genivaria]

There have been Muslims in this very thread saying we should do these things.

well they can want it but they aren't getting it.

No they sure as fuck aren't.

[Washington Resistance Army]

There have been Muslims in this very thread saying we should do these things.

well they can want it but they aren't getting it.

Yeah, because the "Islamophobes" would never have it. People like you are their greatest ally.

[San Lumen]

well they can want it but they aren't getting it.

Yeah, because the "Islamophobes" would never have it. People like you are their greatest ally.

Im sorry what?

[Genivaria]

Yeah, because the "Islamophobes" would never have it. People like you are their greatest ally.

Im sorry what?

Leftist Islamic apologists.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Yeah, because the "Islamophobes" would never have it. People like you are their greatest ally.

Im sorry what?

You and people like you constantly give excuses for and try to play down the people who want such things. The left as a whole is filled with apologists for Islamists and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and hypocritical. There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim and all other sorts of fun shit if they could.

In that regard diversity and multiculturalism is very much a bad thing.

[San Lumen]

Im sorry what?

You and people like you constantly give excuses for and try to play down the people who want such things. The left as a whole is filled with apologists for Islamists and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and hypocritical. There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim and all other sorts of fun shit if they could.

In that regard diversity and multiculturalism is very much a bad thing.

Well i dont agree with either of those things. I know Muslims and they dont believe in that. Im not going to label an entire group of people based in the actions and beliefs of some. The actions of a few are not a basis for saying diversity and multiculturalism is bad.

[Genivaria]

Im sorry what?

You and people like you constantly give excuses for and try to play down the people who want such things. The left as a whole is filled with apologists for Islamists and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and hypocritical. There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim and all other sorts of fun shit if they could.

In that regard diversity and multiculturalism is very much a bad thing.

I've said before that respecting diverse views and cultures is completely okay as long as you draw a line somewhere.

[Kubumba Tribe]

100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity

Actually, the 100 lashes punishment would be for any form of illegal sex, not just homosexual sex.

No one wants to establish Shariah law.

Not true. There are many Muslims on this game that want Shari'ah (although we think differently on how it should be done), and Pew surveyed that many Muslims around the world do want Shari'ah: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim

If they want to tax Non-Muslims for the simple fact that they aren't Muslims, that's wrong.

I know Muslims and they dont believe in that.

Why not?

Im not going to label an entire group of people based in the actions and beliefs of some.

>Some
See the Pew link

You and people like you constantly give excuses for and try to play down the people who want such things. The left as a whole is filled with apologists for Islamists and it would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad and hypocritical. There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim and all other sorts of fun shit if they could.

In that regard diversity and multiculturalism is very much a bad thing.

I've said before that respecting diverse views and cultures is completely okay as long as you draw a line somewhere.

True

[Washington Resistance Army]

There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim

If they want to tax Non-Muslims for the simple fact that they aren't Muslims, that's wrong.

You can keep playing the semantics game all you want but I'm not dumb enough to fall for it. That's what you want to do.

[Genivaria]

100 lashes being acceptable punishment for homosexual activity

Actually, the 100 lashes punishment would be for any form of illegal sex, not just homosexual sex.

No one wants to establish Shariah law.

Not true. There are many Muslims on this game that want Shari'ah (although we think differently on how it should be done), and Pew surveyed that many Muslims around the world do want Shari'ah: http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the- ... ut-sharia/

There are Americans Muslims in this thread who would establish Shariah law, force you to pay a tax simply for not being a Muslim

If they want to tax Non-Muslims for the simple fact that they aren't Muslims, that's wrong.

I know Muslims and they dont believe in that.

Why not?

Im not going to label an entire group of people based in the actions and beliefs of some.

>Some
See the Pew link

I've said before that respecting diverse views and cultures is completely okay as long as you draw a line somewhere.

True

Speak of the devil.