Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

HMS, I'm pretty sure you have misinterpreted the article. I haven't read the whole, thing, but I've read enough to see that this wasn't racially motivated.

[Conserative Morality]

You realize white Europeans don't have kids for a variety of reasons, only one of which is their workload - which is by means actually one of the lowest in the industrialized world. For example, the Netherlands. Other factors include personal fulfillment and career-building, fewer marriages, remaining unhindered, etc. It reflects a change in the Western European mindset. It's hardly more than Europeans being too busy to make babies. See More Here. tl;dr the academic consensus is that this is all the result of voluntary choices and women being more free to pursue alternative lifestyles. Not some nefarious elitist scheme.

Don't worry; I'm not the boogeyman. I do not love "white genocide." It's simply objective demographic fact, and the fact is that despite several efforts to reverse it within nearly every major European nation, white European demographic decline is something that has and likely will happen, barring a major and seismic change in European society that will require the reversal of almost 50 years of social development. So though you're optimistic "Europeans will find a way", I'm cynical.

Only Scandinavia appears to be weathering the demographic storm with any success, partly thanks to generous parental leave systems, stable economies, and, in the cases of Sweden and Norway, high net immigration.

“We do face an ageing population but the problem is not so alarming due to relatively high fertility rates,” says Nizar Chakkour of Statistics Sweden.

Chakkour He puts the high fertility rates down to social support for parents. “One common explanation [for the fertility rate] is that in Sweden it is possible to combine motherhood with a working life,” he argues. “It is not only the parental leave: it is also the subsidised childcare and the gender equality.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/ ... n-disaster

I think that reversing the trend isn't as hard as people suspect.

[Daeseong]

GENOCIDE?! Since when were drops in birth rates 'genocide'? And just because a group of people has less children doesn't mean they don't have control in their own lives...unless the EU enacted a China-like policy of offspring?

yes genocide is fitting and is what is happening in europe. http://whitegenocideproject.com/

Oh, so you're one of those folks.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

GENOCIDE?! Since when were drops in birth rates 'genocide'? And just because a group of people has less children doesn't mean they don't have control in their own lives...unless the EU enacted a China-like policy of offspring?

yes genocide is fitting and is what is happening in europe. http://whitegenocideproject.com/

Genocide is the systematic killing of a race/ethnicity. White Europeans are not under any persecution, nor are they being forced not to have children. You need to read the dictionary definition of 'genocide'. But if you can find evidence of systematic persecution, forcing white Europeans not to have children, show me.

[San Lumen]

By saying only those of the native ethnic group should be allowed to have citizenship or become public servants is saying thats whites are superior. We are all equal under the law. I guess the cop in the example I gave should be kicked off the force or not have been allowed to even go to the academy because he;'s not white along with any other non white officer. I guess we should remove all non white elected officials from office too.

Im sorry that having people who dont look like you in your country irks you so much and you think immigration should be stopped completely. I suggest you read a history book. it might do you some good.

I don't think I am a white supremacist. Like I said before, I don't want whites living in Japan or being involved in Japanese government. It's about ethnic integrity. Also, I love history, it's my favorite subject and I have read many books about history.

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I don't think I am a white supremacist. Like I said before, I don't want whites living in Japan or being involved in Japanese government. It's about ethnic integrity. Also, I love history, it's my favorite subject and I have read many books about history.

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

Actually, he said that white people shouldn't be immigrating to non-white countries.

[Gerdarkvish]

yes genocide is fitting and is what is happening in europe. http://whitegenocideproject.com/

Oh, so you're one of those folks.

well whatever that means? but lies dramatized, acted, Pushed in media, Don't mean anything cause they are lies- peaple only like the truth, and will search for it when confusion and fear take over, or whenever they want.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Oh, so you're one of those folks.

well whatever that means? but lies dramatized, acted, Pushed in media, Don't mean anything cause they are lies- peaple only like the truth, and will search for it when confusion and fear take over, or whenever they want.

If you're searching for truth, why use that site?

[Arcaniana]

there are many problems I have with multiculturalism:
the idea that all cultures are equal: there are places in the world where people believe that gays should be killed, men are allowed to beat their wives and all kinds of other such ideas that are parts of these peoples cultures that are morally regressive, these cultures are inferior to my culture of womens rights, lgbt rights and liberal democracy, why would I want to import people who believe in horrible things into my country? so they can ally with the native traditιοnalists and culturally take us back into the middle ages through voting?

foreigners have the tendency to form ghettos on their own, where they speak their language and keep their customs and culture, this separates them from the natives and creates an "us vs them" mentality in both their and the native minds which leads to instability and conflict. "the less people have in common, the more likely they are to fight" I don't see why this is difficult to understand.

you cannot have a welfare state and an open borders policy, because everyone will come into your country for the welfare and it will become expensive as hell, I would rather have my welfare personally.

also, if people can keep their language and culture in your country and don't have to assimilate, then why have a specific name for your country? since everybody lives in it why not call it "everyoneland"?

since you support foreign cultures mixing with yours, you must understand that if every country in the world followed your advice they would all end up with some awkward weird mix of cultures that would be almost the same in every country, is that what you would like? for the beautiful cultures of the world to perish and become bland multicultural mix of a billion different things?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I don't think I am a white supremacist. Like I said before, I don't want whites living in Japan or being involved in Japanese government. It's about ethnic integrity. Also, I love history, it's my favorite subject and I have read many books about history.

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

I'd actually agree with him and say it's not white supremacy. Racial/ethnic separatism isn't really the same as racial/ethnic supremacy.

[Nouveau Yathrib]

If tolerance efforts are promoted in a multicultural/multi-ethnic society, I believe it can work well, despite minor racial/ethnic problems. Canada is nice example, I believe.

Arab 1.17%
African 0.99%
Latin, Central and
South American 0.82%
West Asian 0.69%
Oceania 0.16
Minority demographics in Canada, 2001
Canada probs doesn't have problems because there's barely anyone to have problems with.

1) Wtf those numbers are from 16 years ago.
2) The majority of visible minorities in Canada are not from those ancestry groups.

It's true that Canada doesn't have as many problems with multiculturalism and assimilation as other Anglo/Western countries, but don't cite irrelevant and misleading stats to prove your point.

[San Lumen]

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

Actually, he said that white people shouldn't be immigrating to non-white countries.

He also said people not of the native ethnic group of the United States, Canada or a country in Europe shouldnt be allowed to become a cop or any public servant and citizenship should never be granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity. How is that not white supremacy?

[Illiberalism]

I don't think I am a white supremacist. Like I said before, I don't want whites living in Japan or being involved in Japanese government. It's about ethnic integrity. Also, I love history, it's my favorite subject and I have read many books about history.

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

Because I don't apply that logic exclusively to whites. I believe that only Korean people should live in Korea and participate in things like government. Does that make me a Korean supremacist? Also, how do I not understand history?

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Actually, he said that white people shouldn't be immigrating to non-white countries.

He also said people not of the native ethnic group of the United States, Canada or a country in Europe shouldnt be allowed to become a cop or any public servant and citizenship should never be granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity. How is that not white supremacy?

Well he was anyone period (I think, my gosh, am I taking up for this guy/gal?! ). A white person can't do the same in a non-white country according to him (I think)

[Alerio]

Actually, he said that white people shouldn't be immigrating to non-white countries.

He also said people not of the native ethnic group of the United States, Canada or a country in Europe shouldnt be allowed to become a cop or any public servant and citizenship should never be granted to someone of a foreign ethnicity. How is that not white supremacy?

Actually it is segregation and institutional discrimination; both bad and equally nocive to any normal democratic modern government.

[San Lumen]

How is not white supremacy when you say only whites should have certain jobs or be allowed to immigrate? And when ethnic integrity I guess you dont believe in interracial marriage either? You might love history but clearly dont understand it.

Because I don't apply that logic exclusively to whites. I believe that only Korean people should live in Korea and participate in things like government. Does that make me a Korean supremacist? Also, how do I not understand history?

So people should not move to one place or another? If an Asian or Black person leaves their country they should be denied entry and those that already are citizens should be denied public service jobs?
Someone whose not white shouldnt be allowed to be a cop in London or New York? Or in elected office?
The cop i told you about from Instagram should be removed from the NYPD because he's originally from Dominica even though he's a citizen. He never should have been given citizenship because he's not white. That is racism plain and simple.

[Daeseong]

Oh, so you're one of those folks.

well whatever that means? but lies dramatized, acted, Pushed in media, Don't mean anything cause they are lies- peaple only like the truth, and will search for it when confusion and fear take over, or whenever they want.

> truth
> relies on website that uses almost no statistical evidence, and mostly anecdotal stories about supposed conspiracy wherein most the wealthiest demographic in the world is supposedly being obliterated by nefarious means, and not demonstrated demographic trends
> kek

[El-Amin Caliphate]

well whatever that means? but lies dramatized, acted, Pushed in media, Don't mean anything cause they are lies- peaple only like the truth, and will search for it when confusion and fear take over, or whenever they want.

> truth
> relies on website that uses almost no statistical evidence, and mostly anecdotal stories about supposed conspiracy wherein most the wealthiest demographic in the world is supposedly being obliterated by nefarious means, and not demonstrated demographic trends
> kek

Ikr, I'm still waiting for his/her response to this:

But if you can find evidence of systematic persecution, forcing white Europeans not to have children, show me.

[Illiberalism]

Because I don't apply that logic exclusively to whites. I believe that only Korean people should live in Korea and participate in things like government. Does that make me a Korean supremacist? Also, how do I not understand history?

So people should not move to one place or another? If an Asian or Black person leaves their country they should be denied entry and those that already are citizens should be denied public service jobs?

If this hypothetical person is trying to enter a country where they would be an ethnic stranger, entry should be denied. Ideally, non-native races wouldn't even be present in the first place. But yes, those not from the native ethnic group shouldn't be able to work as public servants and eventually should have their citizenship revoked.

Someone whose not white shouldnt be allowed to be a cop in London or New York? Or in elected office?

Yes. Transversely, someone who is white shouldn't be a cop/politician in Mumbai or Beijing.

The cop i told you about from Instagram should be removed from the force because he's originally from Dominica even though he's a citizen. He never should have been given citizenship because he's not white. That is racism plain and simple.

For it to be racism, everything I've suggested would have to be motivated by me believing that whites are inherently superior. Instead, it's because I believe that racial and cultural unity make for the most functional and stable societies.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

So people should not move to one place or another? If an Asian or Black person leaves their country they should be denied entry and those that already are citizens should be denied public service jobs?

If this hypothetical person is trying to enter a country where they would be an ethnic stranger, entry should be denied. Ideally, non-native races wouldn't even be present in the first place. But yes, those not from the native ethnic group shouldn't be able to work as public servants and eventually should have their citizenship revoked.

Someone whose not white shouldnt be allowed to be a cop in London or New York? Or in elected office?

Yes. Transversely, someone who is white shouldn't be a cop/politician in Mumbai or Beijing.

The cop i told you about from Instagram should be removed from the force because he's originally from Dominica even though he's a citizen. He never should have been given citizenship because he's not white. That is racism plain and simple.

For it to be racism, everything I've suggested would have to be motivated by me believing that whites are inherently superior. Instead, it's because I believe that racial and cultural unity make for the most functional and stable societies.

It'd be white supremacy, specifically. But everything in this post before and including the last paragraph constitutes as racism.

[San Lumen]

So people should not move to one place or another? If an Asian or Black person leaves their country they should be denied entry and those that already are citizens should be denied public service jobs?

If this hypothetical person is trying to enter a country where they would be an ethnic stranger, entry should be denied. Ideally, non-native races wouldn't even be present in the first place. But yes, those not from the native ethnic group shouldn't be able to work as public servants and eventually should have their citizenship revoked.

Someone whose not white shouldnt be allowed to be a cop in London or New York? Or in elected office?

Yes. Transversely, someone who is white shouldn't be a cop/politician in Mumbai or Beijing.

The cop i told you about from Instagram should be removed from the force because he's originally from Dominica even though he's a citizen. He never should have been given citizenship because he's not white. That is racism plain and simple.

For it to be racism, everything I've suggested would have to be motivated by me believing that whites are inherently superior. Instead, it's because I believe that racial and cultural unity make for the most functional and stable societies.

So I guess we should just close the borders and end all refugee programs too? . You want citizenship revoked of those who aren't white? How is that not white supremacy and racism? I gather your against interracial marriage too

If your town elected someone whose non white you'd want that person removed from office because their race?

I fail to see how your argument isn't racism and white supremacy.

[Illiberalism]

If this hypothetical person is trying to enter a country where they would be an ethnic stranger, entry should be denied. Ideally, non-native races wouldn't even be present in the first place. But yes, those not from the native ethnic group shouldn't be able to work as public servants and eventually should have their citizenship revoked.

Yes. Transversely, someone who is white shouldn't be a cop/politician in Mumbai or Beijing.

For it to be racism, everything I've suggested would have to be motivated by me believing that whites are inherently superior. Instead, it's because I believe that racial and cultural unity make for the most functional and stable societies.

So I guess we should just close the borders and end all refugee programs too? . You want citizenship revoked of those who aren't white? How is that not white supremacy and racism? I gather your against interracial marriage too

If your town elected someone whose non white you'd want that person removed from office because their race?

I fail to see how your argument isn't racism and white supremacy.

Well obviously we're not getting anywhere since I keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Call me whatever you would like.

[San Lumen]

So I guess we should just close the borders and end all refugee programs too? . You want citizenship revoked of those who aren't white? How is that not white supremacy and racism? I gather your against interracial marriage too

If your town elected someone whose non white you'd want that person removed from office because their race?

I fail to see how your argument isn't racism and white supremacy.

Well obviously we're not getting anywhere since I keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Call me whatever you would like.

Your falling to give a cohesive argument beyond preserving racial integrity and only certain people should be allowed to have certain jobs or get citizenship.

[El-Amin Caliphate]

Well obviously we're not getting anywhere since I keep explaining the same thing over and over again. Call me whatever you would like.

Your falling to give a cohesive argument beyond preserving racial integrity and only certain people should be allowed to have certain jobs or get citizenship.

Illiberalism's saying that this should be done for all races, not just for white people.

[New haven america]

You mean the same resilient, Europe-loving Europeans who are having children at below the replacement rate? Have fun with your demographic decline!

Are you talking about white genocide? and you seem to love or think it is a good thing? it is only because europeans are not in charge of there own lives- without working there arses of just to survive. i myself think europeans will find a way, just like they always have.

You do realize that they're purposefully not have kids for a variety of reasons, right? (This actually applies to most developed nations, not just European ones)

Also, comparatively, Europeans have it much better off than the rest of the world, so yeah...