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Postby Genivaria » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:04 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Note that I'm not talking about either Islam or Muslims, but specifically political Islam and specifically YOU so I really don't care what you do to justify your ideology.

That statement makes no sense.

Like I said, you think obeying Allah (SWT) is a bad thing?
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Yeah, I don't care.

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Postby The Maucou » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:15 pm

Flaxxony wrote:
San Lumen wrote:give an example


It is largely a recent phenomenon, because in the past military conquest was a lot more feasible because no one had nuclear weapons. But Dutch South Africans, Europeans in America, Russians in Asia, etc. are obvious examples of sending foreign populations to an area to establish control.

Israel is probably the best example; Jews voluntarily migrated to Palestine when it was under British control, eventually formalizing the takeover by forming a state.


So are the poor immigrants from bad parts of Mexico and Central America who, worry about getting robbed and shot in the street, have drug violence, have barely any jobs and a corrupt government and gangs just trying to establish control? Please. Establishing control within the country is the last thing on their minds. They have completely different circumstances. Most have to send money to help try to bring family back because of lack of jobs down there. all so they can have a brighter future in the US, even then the US doesn't give them a break. It's that simple.

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Feb 16, 2018 10:18 pm

Amuaplye wrote:It's perfectly fine. It's natural too, considering migration and stuff. You can't make a race that's 100% pure.

Plus i think mixed race people are some of the most beautiful people. I met a young man at work once who was half black and half asian. He was one of the most handsome men i've ever seen

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Postby Thervingia » Sat Feb 17, 2018 2:58 am

The Maucou wrote:
Flaxxony wrote:
It is largely a recent phenomenon, because in the past military conquest was a lot more feasible because no one had nuclear weapons. But Dutch South Africans, Europeans in America, Russians in Asia, etc. are obvious examples of sending foreign populations to an area to establish control.

Israel is probably the best example; Jews voluntarily migrated to Palestine when it was under British control, eventually formalizing the takeover by forming a state.


So are the poor immigrants from bad parts of Mexico and Central America who, worry about getting robbed and shot in the street, have drug violence, have barely any jobs and a corrupt government and gangs just trying to establish control? Please. Establishing control within the country is the last thing on their minds. They have completely different circumstances. Most have to send money to help try to bring family back because of lack of jobs down there. all so they can have a brighter future in the US, even then the US doesn't give them a break. It's that simple.

So what should be then with Mexico, then? Left to rot?

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Amuaplye wrote:It's perfectly fine. It's natural too, considering migration and stuff. You can't make a race that's 100% pure.

Plus i think mixed race people are some of the most beautiful people. I met a young man at work once who was half black and half asian. He was one of the most handsome men i've ever seen

That's just plain irrelevant.
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Postby Ultramarr » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:16 am

San Lumen wrote:
Amuaplye wrote:It's perfectly fine. It's natural too, considering migration and stuff. You can't make a race that's 100% pure.

Plus i think mixed race people are some of the most beautiful people. I met a young man at work once who was half black and half asian. He was one of the most handsome men i've ever seen

No major anti immigration group from UKIP to Trump opposes that. Only a very tiny amount of people do.

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Postby Senegalboy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 4:51 am

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El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Not without just cause, that is.
Also, Shari'ah shouldn't be subjected on non-Muslims, that's against Al-Islam to do so.

And yet that's what your prophet Mahomet did times and times again.

That's just a lie. The prophet Muhammed (SAW) allowed jews and christians to be judged by their own judges.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:06 am

Senegalboy wrote:
Aellex wrote:And yet that's what your prophet Mahomet did times and times again.

That's just a lie. The prophet Muhammed (SAW) allowed jews and christians to be judged by their own judges.

Actually, no. he forced them to convert by putting higher taxes on them than the average Muslim invading and massacring those who didn't accept (See Battle of Kheybar or the massacre of Banu Qurayza)
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Postby Senegalboy » Sat Feb 17, 2018 5:26 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Senegalboy wrote:That's just a lie. The prophet Muhammed (SAW) allowed jews and christians to be judged by their own judges.

Actually, no. he forced them to convert by putting higher taxes on them than the average Muslim invading and massacring those who didn't accept (See Battle of Kheybar or the massacre of Banu Qurayza)

He did it is a fact that he allowed jews to adhere to rabbinical religious law and christian to christian religious law.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Feb 17, 2018 9:47 am

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Plus i think mixed race people are some of the most beautiful people. I met a young man at work once who was half black and half asian. He was one of the most handsome men i've ever seen

No major anti immigration group from UKIP to Trump opposes that. Only a very tiny amount of people do.

Except you've flat out said you want to limit immigration and have one like that of Japan.

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Postby Ultramarr » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:35 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:No major anti immigration group from UKIP to Trump opposes that. Only a very tiny amount of people do.

Except you've flat out said you want to limit immigration and have one like that of Japan.

Yes and Japan allows some foreign people other hence I was made. Japan is mostly Japanese and puts Japanese culture and nationhood first although some immigration is allowed mainly from skilled people. They also aren't opposed to race mixing which you brought up or I wouldn't be born same as UKIP or Trump I mean Trump married a foreign person and his daughter married a Jew. Who people breed with is there choice so I don't think race mixing should be promoted or discouraged by a government simply left between the man and woman
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:44 am

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Yo what're you talking about???
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Feb 17, 2018 11:57 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Yo what're you talking about???
100 lashes are for illegal sexual intercourse, including homosexual sex.

What if the illegal sexual intercourse involves 100 lashes?

What are you talking about? bdsm?
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Feb 18, 2018 7:12 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Except you've flat out said you want to limit immigration and have one like that of Japan.

Yes and Japan allows some foreign people other hence I was made. Japan is mostly Japanese and puts Japanese culture and nationhood first although some immigration is allowed mainly from skilled people. They also aren't opposed to race mixing which you brought up or I wouldn't be born same as UKIP or Trump I mean Trump married a foreign person and his daughter married a Jew. Who people breed with is there choice so I don't think race mixing should be promoted or discouraged by a government simply left between the man and woman


I don't think there should be a curtailing of immigration so only a select few can come in nor do I think there should be completely open borders either.

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Postby Crazed Pirates » Sun Feb 18, 2018 11:44 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Note that I'm not talking about either Islam or Muslims, but specifically political Islam and specifically YOU so I really don't care what you do to justify your ideology.

That statement makes no sense.

Like I said, you think obeying Allah (SWT) is a bad thing?
Al-Islam supports the unification of masjid and state, that's why we (supposed to) have Shari'ah and Caliphates/Islamic nations.

Huh, our local Muslims prefer adat to Shari'ah and they are good men and citizens. At least, before the Saudi-funded Wahhabi preachers came.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 5:00 am

Crazed Pirates wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Like I said, you think obeying Allah (SWT) is a bad thing?
Al-Islam supports the unification of masjid and state, that's why we (supposed to) have Shari'ah and Caliphates/Islamic nations.

Huh, our local Muslims prefer adat to Shari'ah and they are good men and citizens. At least, before the Saudi-funded Wahhabi preachers came.

Are you talking about this adat? That's coop, as long as they follow the adat that doesn't conflict with Al-Islam. And there should still be Shari'ah. Also, you don't need a Saudi Wahhabi to be on the Haqq.
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:33 am

Amuaplye wrote:It's perfectly fine. It's natural too, considering migration and stuff. You can't make a race that's 100% pure.


But if its so nice why doesnt the rest of the world follow suit? Why is it only in white majority countries? I dont see half a million muslims being imported into Nigeria or Honduras. Dont give me that shit about those countries being shitholes compared to European ones either there should be no reason why only one particular region is being forced into multiculturalism while the rest of the world lives in monoculturalism.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:36 am

Korvale wrote:
Amuaplye wrote:It's perfectly fine. It's natural too, considering migration and stuff. You can't make a race that's 100% pure.


But if its so nice why doesnt the rest of the world follow suit?

Many non-white countries are multicultural
Korvale wrote:Why is it only in white majority countries?

It's also non-white countries
Korvale wrote:I dont see half a million muslims being imported into Nigeria or Honduras.

Half of Nigeria is populated by Muslims, mostly in the north
Korvale wrote:Dont give me that shit about those countries being shitholes compared to European ones either there should be no reason why only one particular region is being forced into multiculturalism

They aren't being forced
Korvale wrote:while the rest of the world lives in monoculturalism.

Most countries are multicultural.
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:39 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Korvale wrote:
But if its so nice why doesnt the rest of the world follow suit?

Many non-white countries are multicultural
Korvale wrote:Why is it only in white majority countries?

It's also non-white countries
Korvale wrote:I dont see half a million muslims being imported into Nigeria or Honduras.

Half of Nigeria is populated by Muslims, mostly in the north
Korvale wrote:Dont give me that shit about those countries being shitholes compared to European ones either there should be no reason why only one particular region is being forced into multiculturalism

They aren't being forced
Korvale wrote:while the rest of the world lives in monoculturalism.

Most countries are multicultural.


Wrong most countries are monocultural meaning they are mostly one single ethnicity as a population and the minorities are nonexistent in statistical comparisons and media representation. By muslim I clearly mean west asians not islamist black people, It is forced because again its only in white countries that this stuff is being promoted in, a Mexican in Mexico can proudly say mexicans for mexicans but if you say whites for whites your an evil racist.

The only region of the world that gets away the most is Africa, they have the most racially pure countries on this planet and yet you claim the world is multicultural get real.

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:45 am

Korvale wrote:Wrong most countries are monocultural meaning they are mostly one single ethnicity as a population and the minorities are nonexistent in statistical comparisons and media representation. By muslim I clearly mean west asians not islamist black people, It is forced because again its only in white countries that this stuff is being promoted in, a Mexican in Mexico can proudly say mexicans for mexicans but if you say whites for whites your an evil racist.

The only region of the world that gets away the most is Africa, they have the most racially pure countries on this planet and yet you claim the world is multicultural get real.

1- Most countries have a roster of ethnicities. in the Middle East, for one, each country has entire subcultures based on different ethnicities (with no relation to each other whatsoever). We're seeing the result of that right now, in the form of the Syrian Civil War, the situation in Iraq, and the clashes in Iran.

2- West Asians, I am assuming you mean 'Arab' by that, aren't forced on Africa because of one basic reason. nobody wants to go there. for whatever reason, people prefer to migrate to places that have a level of welfare and economic stability. who would've guessed???
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:52 am

Pilarcraft wrote:
Korvale wrote:Wrong most countries are monocultural meaning they are mostly one single ethnicity as a population and the minorities are nonexistent in statistical comparisons and media representation. By muslim I clearly mean west asians not islamist black people, It is forced because again its only in white countries that this stuff is being promoted in, a Mexican in Mexico can proudly say mexicans for mexicans but if you say whites for whites your an evil racist.

The only region of the world that gets away the most is Africa, they have the most racially pure countries on this planet and yet you claim the world is multicultural get real.

1- Most countries have a roster of ethnicities. in the Middle East, for one, each country has entire subcultures based on different ethnicities (with no relation to each other whatsoever). We're seeing the result of that right now, in the form of the Syrian Civil War, the situation in Iraq, and the clashes in Iran.

2- West Asians, I am assuming you mean 'Arab' by that, aren't forced on Africa because of one basic reason. nobody wants to go there. for whatever reason, people prefer to migrate to places that have a level of welfare and economic stability. who would've guessed???


So what? The world should be multicultural not just Europe or multiculturalism is clearly a forced agenda on Europeans. I dont care if people get shot in daylight in Mali that should be no excuse for Mali to be racist and not accept hordes of non black people into their country enriching their cultures.

Akan, Yoruba, Tutsi all of them are black people they are one black race, majority of countries are still monoracial in majority and media representation so not multicultural at all.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:53 am

Korvale wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Many non-white countries are multicultural

It's also non-white countries

Half of Nigeria is populated by Muslims, mostly in the north

They aren't being forced

Most countries are multicultural.


Wrong most countries are monocultural meaning they are mostly one single ethnicity as a population and the minorities are nonexistent in statistical comparisons and media representation. By muslim I clearly mean west asians not islamist black people, It is forced because again its only in white countries that this stuff is being promoted in, a Mexican in Mexico can proudly say mexicans for mexicans but if you say whites for whites your an evil racist.

The only region of the world that gets away the most is Africa, they have the most racially pure countries on this planet and yet you claim the world is multicultural get real.

There are 500+ different ethnicities in Nigeria
These are the ethnic groups of Ethiopia
There are over 300 ethnicities in the DRC
"Sudan has 597 groups that speak over 400 different languages and dialects."
This is the diversity of Iraq
This is the diversity of Syria
"China officially recognizes 56 distinct ethnic groups", "There are as many as 292 living languages in China"
Indonesia is a very ethnically diverse country, with around 300 distinct native ethnic groups]"Indonesia is a very ethnically diverse country, with around 300 distinct native ethnic groups"
"According to the National Research by Household Sample (PNAD) of 2008, 48.43% of the population (about 92 million) described themselves as White; 43.80% (about 83 million) as Pardo (brown), 6.84% (about 13 million) as Black; 0.58% (about 1.1 million) as Asian; and 0.28% (about 536 thousand) as Amerindian (officially called indígena, Indigenous), while 0.07% (about 130 thousand) did not declare their race.

In 2007, the National Indian Foundation estimated that Brazil has 67 different uncontacted tribes, up from their estimate of 40 in 2005. Brazil is believed to have the largest number of uncontacted peoples in the world"

"The ethnic composition of Bolivia is diverse, and racial classifications, though outdated, are abundant. There are approximately three dozen native groups totaling approximately half of the Bolivian population – the largest proportion of indigenous people in Latin America."
"Peru is a multiethnic nation formed by the combination of different groups over five centuries. Amerindians inhabited Peruvian territory for several millennia before Spanish Conquest in the 16th century; according to historian Noble David Cook their population decreased from nearly 5–9 million in the 1520s to around 600,000 in 1620 mainly because of infectious diseases. Spaniards and Africans arrived in large numbers under colonial rule, mixing widely with each other and with indigenous peoples. After independence, there has been gradual immigration from England, France, Germany, Italy, and Spain. Chinese and Japanese arrived in the 1850s as a replacement for slave workers and have since become a major influence in Peruvian society"
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:55 am

Korvale wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:1- Most countries have a roster of ethnicities. in the Middle East, for one, each country has entire subcultures based on different ethnicities (with no relation to each other whatsoever). We're seeing the result of that right now, in the form of the Syrian Civil War, the situation in Iraq, and the clashes in Iran.

2- West Asians, I am assuming you mean 'Arab' by that, aren't forced on Africa because of one basic reason. nobody wants to go there. for whatever reason, people prefer to migrate to places that have a level of welfare and economic stability. who would've guessed???


So what? The world should be multicultural not just Europe or multiculturalism is clearly a forced agenda on Europeans. I dont care if people get shot in daylight in Mali that should be no excuse for Mali to be racist and not accept hordes of non black people into their country enriching their cultures.

Whoa, who said Mali discriminates against immigrants based on the color of their skin?
Korvale wrote:Akan, Yoruba, Tutsi all of them are black people they are one black race

Tell that to an Akan, Yourba and a Tutsi
Korvale wrote:majority of countries are still monoracial in majority and media representation so not multicultural at all.

Race doesn't even exist, that's a human construct. Ethnicities exist, not race.
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 19, 2018 11:58 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Korvale wrote:
So what? The world should be multicultural not just Europe or multiculturalism is clearly a forced agenda on Europeans. I dont care if people get shot in daylight in Mali that should be no excuse for Mali to be racist and not accept hordes of non black people into their country enriching their cultures.

Whoa, who said Mali discriminates against immigrants based on the color of their skin?
Korvale wrote:Akan, Yoruba, Tutsi all of them are black people they are one black race

Tell that to an Akan, Yourba and a Tutsi
Korvale wrote:majority of countries are still monoracial in majority and media representation so not multicultural at all.

Race doesn't even exist, that's a human construct. Ethnicities exist, not race.


Race is a massive collective of ethnicities, thats why all Europeans are called white, all sub saharans are called black, and all slant eyed humans are called Asian.

Mali clearly only wants black people in their country which is racist it should accept non blacks. Oh and you are west asian no doubt why isnt your country full of black people racist?

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Postby Pilarcraft » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:00 pm

Korvale wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:Whoa, who said Mali discriminates against immigrants based on the color of their skin?

Tell that to an Akan, Yourba and a Tutsi

Race doesn't even exist, that's a human construct. Ethnicities exist, not race.


Race is a massive collective of ethnicities, thats why all Europeans are called white, all sub saharans are called black, and all slant eyed humans are called Asian.

Mali clearly only wants black people in their country which is racist it should accept non blacks. Oh and you are west asian no doubt why isnt your country full of black people racist?
because no non-black wants to go there, obviously. which you so smartly ignored in my initial reply
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Postby Korvale » Mon Feb 19, 2018 12:02 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
Korvale wrote:
Race is a massive collective of ethnicities, thats why all Europeans are called white, all sub saharans are called black, and all slant eyed humans are called Asian.

Mali clearly only wants black people in their country which is racist it should accept non blacks. Oh and you are west asian no doubt why isnt your country full of black people racist?
because no non-black wants to go there, obviously. which you so smartly ignored in my initial reply


Again that doesnt matter the world should be multicultural or this is a forced agenda on europeans for sinister reasons. Diversity is our strength who's fucking strength? It surely cant be europeans I really wonder who the hell is actually pushing this in our countries as they obviously cant be white people.

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