Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[San Lumen]

And what about someone from say Uzbekistan who wants a better opportunity or way of life. Tough luck you were born in the wrong country

Yes? Not that controversial

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

[Ultramarr]

No I said I will limit it altogether and other Europeans are more compatible than Africa or the middle east. I am pushing for a Japan style immigration policy where foreign people aren't mistreated or anything but its native first and strict and it allows in small numbers of skilled people

And what about someone from say Uzbekistan who wants a better opportunity or way of life. Tough luck you were born in the wrong country

Yes that is what will have to happen its not our fault and not worth the cost. If you care about them that much send money to charities to help them and put your money and action where your mouth is. Its like all these horrible celebrities like J K Rowlings virtue singalling about muh racist to not let in migrants yet she did nothing to help them and she doesnt let them live in one of her 18 bedroom mansions instead expects someone else's neighbourhood to suffer and the people's taxes to pay for it. I donated money to or done events for or will do events for for charities I support like the British legion or cancer research or the British hear foundation or free Tibet for example.

[Ultramarr]

The US and Canada were conquered by whites. The native population has been essentially reduced to nothing by this event.

The European conquest of the Americas is one of the clearest exhibits of what happens to populations that don't or can't stem foreign migration.

So what you're saying is we should ban white people from immigrating.

They went after the Native Americans, and now they're coming after us.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Sounds like someone is an SJW who is overly sensitive and doesn't know what jokes are.

The natives lost too late they didn't build any proper nations end of story. No I am not a SJW and if this was the other way around the leftist moderators would be shutting me down by now

[Flaxxony]

The US and Canada were conquered by whites. The native population has been essentially reduced to nothing by this event.

The European conquest of the Americas is one of the clearest exhibits of what happens to populations that don't or can't stem foreign migration.

So what you're saying is we should ban white people from immigrating.

They went after the Native Americans, and now they're coming after us.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Sounds like someone is an SJW who is overly sensitive and doesn't know what jokes are.

I honestly can't even sort out the thought process on this.

I am saying that what whites did is not remotely unique to "whiteness". What I am saying is that changing the demographics of a country will fundamentally change all aspects of the country. It's a "Ship of Theseus" dilemma.

[San Lumen]

And what about someone from say Uzbekistan who wants a better opportunity or way of life. Tough luck you were born in the wrong country

Yes that is what will have to happen its not our fault and not worth the cost. If you care about them that much send money to charities to help them and put your money and action where your mouth is. Its like all these horrible celebrities like J K Rowlings virtue singalling about muh racist to not let in migrants yet she did nothing to help them and she doesnt let them live in one of her 18 bedroom mansions instead expects someone else's neighbourhood to suffer and the people's taxes to pay for it. I donated money to or done events for or will do events for for charities I support like the British legion or cancer research or the British hear foundation or free Tibet for example.

What cost? That money is going to do nothing to help overthrow the dictatorial government there that could care less about the people. Know what happens if you speak out against it? You disappear.

why shouldnt that person be able to come to America for a better opportunity?

[Genivaria]

Telling a lie a hundred times does not magically make it true.

Ok you might be a liar but I speak the truth. I am opposed to rape gangs unlike you

Ah doubling down on the lie, refusing to provide support for it, AND deploying a strawman.

[Thervingia]

Yes? Not that controversial

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

One could argue that it's their (the Uzbeks') job to fix their country, but seeing as my family emigrated from that shithole to find better job prospects, that would just make me a hypocrite.

But then again, does that mean that everyone should just abandon all the shithole countries and flee to Europe? There's a clear problem with that line of thought.

[Ultramarr]

Yes that is what will have to happen its not our fault and not worth the cost. If you care about them that much send money to charities to help them and put your money and action where your mouth is. Its like all these horrible celebrities like J K Rowlings virtue singalling about muh racist to not let in migrants yet she did nothing to help them and she doesnt let them live in one of her 18 bedroom mansions instead expects someone else's neighbourhood to suffer and the people's taxes to pay for it. I donated money to or done events for or will do events for for charities I support like the British legion or cancer research or the British hear foundation or free Tibet for example.

What cost? That money is going to do nothing to help overthrow the dictatorial government there that could care less about the people. Know what happens if you speak out against it? You disappear.

why shouldnt that person be able to come to America for a better opportunity?

I am talking here in the UK not America, America is up to the Americans. When I say money I mean give money to the poor families or build a school or hospital or something with a charity. You can help them in their country

[Flaxxony]

Yes? Not that controversial

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

[Ultramarr]

Ok you might be a liar but I speak the truth. I am opposed to rape gangs unlike you

Ah doubling down on the lie, refusing to provide support for it, AND deploying a strawman.

You keep creeping in making stupid accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser just like in court. Enough of your jibberish

[San Lumen]

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

thats a ridiculous hyperbole

[Genivaria]

Ah doubling down on the lie, refusing to provide support for it, AND deploying a strawman.

You keep creeping in making stupid accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser just like in court. Enough of your jibberish

So now your lying about who's the one making claims, a bit cliche of a defense but sometimes effective.

[Ultramarr]

You keep creeping in making stupid accusation the burden of proof is on the accuser just like in court. Enough of your jibberish

So now your lying about who's the one making claims, a bit cliche of a defense but sometimes effective.

Your making more stupid low IQ accusations. You clearly accused me of "lying" since your a denialist on rape gangs in Europe

[Flaxxony]

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

thats a ridiculous hyperbole

>>Calls my statement a hyperbole

>>Doesn't actually address why

[Genivaria]

why yes? So someone from Uzbekistan should suffer because they have terrible education system and no job when they could come to London or Los Angeles and find opportunity via the Diversity Visa Lottery?

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

FINALLY some fucking support.

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

No I do- oh wait you were just being rhetorical, goddamnit. *sigh*

[San Lumen]

thats a ridiculous hyperbole

>>Calls my statement a hyperbole

>>Doesn't actually address why

because its an absurd statement to make.

[Genivaria]

So now your lying about who's the one making claims, a bit cliche of a defense but sometimes effective.

Your making more stupid low IQ accusations. You clearly accused me of "lying" since your a denialist on rape gangs in Europe

Ah and now insulting my intelligence, variation is good.

You clearly accused me of "lying"

Because you are a liar yes.

since your a denialist on rape gangs in Europe

Denialist instead of skeptic implies that you have some shred of evidence for me to deny, instead I am skeptical of your repeated bullshit.

[Thervingia]

>>Calls my statement a hyperbole

>>Doesn't actually address why

because its an absurd statement to make.

So shitholes are to be shitholes in perpetuity, and those that can/will/want to make a change should just flee to civilisation?

[Flaxxony]

So my question is why not move the entire world population of the world into America and western Europe?

Every liberal tries to pull this guilt-trip crap. Let me turn the tables then; why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

why don't we just spread our way of life to other countries? Yeah, sounds like a great idea to me! Lets bring the liberty bell of western civilization across the world! May fear strike the despot who stands in the way of freedom and progress!

FINALLY some fucking support.

Oh wait, you say that's colonialism?

No I do- oh wait you were just being rhetorical, goddamnit. *sigh*

Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer the west be colonizing the rest of the world than getting overrun by the world in their own countries.

The problem is that the western elite doesn't actually develop other parts of the world anymore, they just blow them to smithereens then transport in the refugees to the west, enabling a divide and conquer strategy to keep people complacent about stagnating wages, lower sense of community, etc.

[San Lumen]

What cost? That money is going to do nothing to help overthrow the dictatorial government there that could care less about the people. Know what happens if you speak out against it? You disappear.

why shouldnt that person be able to come to America for a better opportunity?

I am talking here in the UK not America, America is up to the Americans. When I say money I mean give money to the poor families or build a school or hospital or something with a charity. You can help them in their country

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

[Flaxxony]

>>Calls my statement a hyperbole

>>Doesn't actually address why

because its an absurd statement to make.

And with that, I have accepted that you have zero argument.

[Genivaria]

FINALLY some fucking support.

No I do- oh wait you were just being rhetorical, goddamnit. *sigh*

Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer the west be colonizing the rest of the world than getting overrun by the world in their own countries.

The problem is that the western elite doesn't actually develop other parts of the world anymore, they just blow them to smithereens then transport in the refugees to the west, enabling a divide and conquer strategy to keep people complacent about stagnating wages, lower sense of community, etc.

Um...I very much doubt that it's nearly as deliberate as you make it out to be.

[Flaxxony]

I am talking here in the UK not America, America is up to the Americans. When I say money I mean give money to the poor families or build a school or hospital or something with a charity. You can help them in their country

And as we've discussed London, Manchester and Birmingham are very diverse places and will continue to become even more so as will your country. That money has done nothing to help countries like Uzbekistan or Syria.

"Resistance is Futile. Accept Your Fate"

Translated from poopytalk to English

[Ultramarr]

Your making more stupid low IQ accusations. You clearly accused me of "lying" since your a denialist on rape gangs in Europe

Ah and now insulting my intelligence, variation is good.

You clearly accused me of "lying"

Because you are a liar yes.

since your a denialist on rape gangs in Europe

Denialist instead of skeptic implies that you have some shred of evidence for me to deny, instead I am skeptical of your repeated bullshit.

You might be a liar I get that and with your agenda. However Rotherham and Cologne are real cases. https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/12/n ... -shameful/
Here you go bullshitter I get it your pro rape of Europe

[Flaxxony]

Don't get me wrong, I would much prefer the west be colonizing the rest of the world than getting overrun by the world in their own countries.

The problem is that the western elite doesn't actually develop other parts of the world anymore, they just blow them to smithereens then transport in the refugees to the west, enabling a divide and conquer strategy to keep people complacent about stagnating wages, lower sense of community, etc.

Um...I very much doubt that it's nearly as deliberate as you make it out to be.

It isn't that active per se, but it is the inevitable consequence of US foreign policy.

Also, I am done with this thread, I feel like I have gotten my point across many times over.