Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Ultramarr]

They are from oriental civilisation while Europeans are western civilisation. Both western and oriental have many sub groups like Japanese and Korea or English and Italian

A lot of people would consider Japan and False Korea "Western", though.

I guess. I am half Japanese and lived in Japan for half my life and they seem to see themselves as unique not western or like the mainland Asians and rightly so. Similar to great Britain

[Thervingia]

Multiculturalism is a revolt against nature, that alienates us from who we truly are, like all other Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo. Ironically, would you suggest an en-masse migration of Greeks or Armenians to their former lands in what is now called Turkey, the Turks would be the first to object to that, Islamists and secularists alike. They even object to it, and view it as an insult to their national pride, when its Christians living in Christian land that Turks might have a claim too due Atheist Marxist Stalin drawing their border there.

Or when Israelis living in a land they built up from nothing through the genius of the Jewish people, where the so called Palestinians subjected them to a pogrom years before Israel was reborn, in an area now seen as legitimately perpetually "Judenrein". Non-westerners do not surrender their national pride, their natural urge to protect their families and their communities. If I were pro-Palestine I'd be overjoyed. Gradually, they'd be able to overrun and murder the Israelis due the later western nativity, thinking that the Arabs only wanting to live in peace or sing kumbaya, if they get prosperous or educated enough.

Another consequence of this kind of thinking is of course, that women cannot naturally expect their men to feel a natural inclination protect them any longer, western men are devoid of any sense of identity or connection of who they are. Both men and women here in the west become individualistic, identityless consumerists, fixated with their own temporary urges for a new TV or whatever, and devoid of and often depressed over the lack of any meaning in their lives. It's the worst betrayal of everyone else one could think of. Very few non-western men will ever turn up like that. And thus, the west will lose, we will lose badly in the same way Western Rome did, because of ideologies like this.

Well, I just ate Russian dumplings covered in Israeli sour cream and Libyan thuma pepper, alongside an Armenian brandy. That's some fine multiculturalism right there, I tell ya.

[Ultramarr]

Multiculturalism is a revolt against nature, that alienates us from who we truly are, like all other Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo. Ironically, would you suggest an en-masse migration of Greeks or Armenians to their former lands in what is now called Turkey, the Turks would be the first to object to that, Islamists and secularists alike. They even object to it, and view it as an insult to their national pride, when its Christians living in Christian land that Turks might have a claim too due Atheist Marxist Stalin drawing their border there.

Or when Israelis living in a land they built up from nothing through the genius of the Jewish people, where the so called Palestinians subjected them to a pogrom years before Israel was reborn, in an area now seen as legitimately perpetually "Judenrein". Non-westerners do not surrender their national pride, their natural urge to protect their families and their communities. If I were pro-Palestine I'd be overjoyed. Gradually, they'd be able to overrun and murder the Israelis due the later western nativity, thinking that the Arabs only wanting to live in peace or sing kumbaya, if they get prosperous or educated enough.

Another consequence of this kind of thinking is of course, that women cannot naturally expect their men to feel a natural inclination protect them any longer, western men are devoid of any sense of identity or connection of who they are. Both men and women here in the west become individualistic, identityless consumerists, fixated with their own temporary urges for a new TV or whatever, and devoid of and often depressed over the lack of any meaning in their lives. It's the worst betrayal of everyone else one could think of. Very few non-western men will ever turn up like that. And thus, the west will lose, we will lose badly in the same way Western Rome did, because of ideologies like this.

Well, I just ate Russian dumplings covered in Israeli sour cream and Libyan thuma pepper, alongside an Armenian brandy. That's some fine multiculturalism right there, I tell ya.

Imported good aint multicultralism. Homogenous countries like Japan and Poland have foreign food resturants too

[Flaxxony]

Multiculturalism is a revolt against nature, that alienates us from who we truly are, like all other Cultural Marxist mumbo jumbo. Ironically, would you suggest an en-masse migration of Greeks or Armenians to their former lands in what is now called Turkey, the Turks would be the first to object to that, Islamists and secularists alike. They even object to it, and view it as an insult to their national pride, when its Christians living in Christian land that Turks might have a claim too due Atheist Marxist Stalin drawing their border there.

Or when Israelis living in a land they built up from nothing through the genius of the Jewish people, where the so called Palestinians subjected them to a pogrom years before Israel was reborn, in an area now seen as legitimately perpetually "Judenrein". Non-westerners do not surrender their national pride, their natural urge to protect their families and their communities. If I were pro-Palestine I'd be overjoyed. Gradually, they'd be able to overrun and murder the Israelis due the later western nativity, thinking that the Arabs only wanting to live in peace or sing kumbaya, if they get prosperous or educated enough.

Another consequence of this kind of thinking is of course, that women cannot naturally expect their men to feel a natural inclination protect them any longer, western men are devoid of any sense of identity or connection of who they are. Both men and women here in the west become individualistic, identityless consumerists, fixated with their own temporary urges for a new TV or whatever, and devoid of and often depressed over the lack of any meaning in their lives. It's the worst betrayal of everyone else one could think of. Very few non-western men will ever turn up like that. And thus, the west will lose, we will lose badly in the same way Western Rome did, because of ideologies like this.

Spot on. The point of race and ethnicity is something that is irreconcilable with the western liberal viewpoint.

Race exists when it is convenient to them as a concept. The concept of something like "white privilege" hinges on the existence of whiteness. Because if they ditch the idea of racial, cultural, etc. identities and dump the nationhood model altogether, you would necessarily have to ditch the whole "oppressor-victim" paradigm and start from scratch.

When it is white people whose birthrates plummet and get their countries loaded with foreigners, it is no problem. Because what they can do is just pull the "race is a social construct" card and throw it in the faces of whites who resist the demographic replacement. But when it comes to "Privilege", suddenly they need to flip the script because without it they couldn't group people en masse and demand reparations to non-whites.

[The Feylands]

I guess. I am half Japanese and lived in Japan for half my life and they seem to see themselves as unique not western or like the mainland Asians and rightly so. Similar to great Britain

But the Anglo-Saxons are Germanic invaders...

One of the reasons I support a free Wales, or a free Catalonia, Basque country, Brittany, Venice etc.. is (apart from their angelic language!! ❤❤❤) the fact that I actually like diversity. Every people should be free to express their uniqueness.

[The Rich Port]

It's not being sassy, it's called basic fucking facts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe

Muslims are spread extremely thin throughout "Europe" and their being about 6% of the population means nothing when analyzed closely.

Also, yeah, they're free to practice the LOCAL version of Islam. Muslims who practice any other kind of Islam are fucked, and a major reason why so many people are fleeing ISIS and the wars in general is that they're worried they won't chalk up to their insane ideas of Muslimhood.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Another paranoid conservative who is afraid of foreigners because they steal the white women.

Another liberal who doesn't know the definition of birth rate or migration.

Can you seriously not conceptualize that people outside of your ideological bubble may actually, wait for it, not give a rat's ass about other people's "freedoms" if it doesn't directly benefit them? And it doesn't take that many people in a minority to substantially worsen the quality of life for the native population.

The exact reason why different sects of Muslims regularly murder each other in the Muslim world is directly related to the fact that Islam doesn't value diversity of opinion. It is a dogma, and dogmas shut out other views by definition.

And I "say it like it's a bad thing" because if you had any notion of nationhood, you would see this as a bad thing as well.

I'm not even going to address the "White wimminz" meme comment. Liberals are demonstrably less attractive by a multitude of studies on the matter.

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN. :D

[San Lumen]

Another liberal who doesn't know the definition of birth rate or migration.

Can you seriously not conceptualize that people outside of your ideological bubble may actually, wait for it, not give a rat's ass about other people's "freedoms" if it doesn't directly benefit them? And it doesn't take that many people in a minority to substantially worsen the quality of life for the native population.

The exact reason why different sects of Muslims regularly murder each other in the Muslim world is directly related to the fact that Islam doesn't value diversity of opinion. It is a dogma, and dogmas shut out other views by definition.

And I "say it like it's a bad thing" because if you had any notion of nationhood, you would see this as a bad thing as well.

I'm not even going to address the "White wimminz" meme comment. Liberals are demonstrably less attractive by a multitude of studies on the matter.

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

[Ultramarr]

I guess. I am half Japanese and lived in Japan for half my life and they seem to see themselves as unique not western or like the mainland Asians and rightly so. Similar to great Britain

But the Anglo-Saxons are Germanic invaders...

One of the reasons I support a free Wales, or a free Catalonia, Basque country, Brittany, Venice etc.. is (apart from their angelic language!! ❤❤❤) the fact that I actually like diversity. Every people should be free to express their uniqueness.

Anglo Saxons made England and been their for over a 1000 years they are the natives now.

[Ultramarr]

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

European immigration mainly. If you lots want that and agree to have immigration fine. I just don't want much of it here a little bit isn't bad but mass immigration from backward parts of the world is

[The Rich Port]

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

To be fair, I have an enormous crush on Ellen Page, I don't care how degenerate or Muslim she is.

I am indeed a threat to white women's panties everywhere. I need to be deported. Seriously. Someone stop me.

[San Lumen]

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

European immigration mainly. If you lots want that and agree to have immigration fine. I just don't want much of it here a little bit isn't bad but mass immigration from backward parts of the world is

and you do know their are non white europeans right?

[Ultramarr]

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

To be fair, I have an enormous crush on Ellen Page, I don't care how degenerate or Muslim she is.

I am indeed a threat to white women's panties everywhere.

Have some class really. And your a far leftist and you lot always go on about respecting women ironically yet here you are.

[The Rich Port]

To be fair, I have an enormous crush on Ellen Page, I don't care how degenerate or Muslim she is.

I am indeed a threat to white women's panties everywhere.

Have some class really. And your a far leftist and you lot always go on about respecting women ironically yet here you are.

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

[Ultramarr]

Have some class really. And your a far leftist and you lot always go on about respecting women ironically yet here you are.

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

[Flaxxony]

Another liberal who doesn't know the definition of birth rate or migration.

Can you seriously not conceptualize that people outside of your ideological bubble may actually, wait for it, not give a rat's ass about other people's "freedoms" if it doesn't directly benefit them? And it doesn't take that many people in a minority to substantially worsen the quality of life for the native population.

The exact reason why different sects of Muslims regularly murder each other in the Muslim world is directly related to the fact that Islam doesn't value diversity of opinion. It is a dogma, and dogmas shut out other views by definition.

And I "say it like it's a bad thing" because if you had any notion of nationhood, you would see this as a bad thing as well.

I'm not even going to address the "White wimminz" meme comment. Liberals are demonstrably less attractive by a multitude of studies on the matter.

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

I'm not a Christian, any overlap in ideology with Christianity that I possess is merely incidental. Funny how liberals never miss an opportunity to weaponize the first amendment against a lapdog European religion, while they turn their backs on the most bloody, psychotic and barbaric religion on Earth. I challenge you to name one worse in terms of human rights violations in the last 100 years.

I DO give a shit about the freedom of others. What I realize though, unlike you, is that people don't just get baptized in the virtues of Western society as soon as they walk into Europe. People on the left should know more than anyone that you have to combat forces that work against civil rights actively, and not take them for granted. Many people love to talk the talk, but actions speak louder than words and they will just mentally redefine the idea of an acceptable "freedom" to whatever fits their agenda.

And yes, they kind of are. Not as bad as Muslims, or illiterate Congolese chopping off albino's limbs as a sacrifice to voodoo spirits. After all, they speak a western language and practice a western religion, and have a huge amount of European DNA. But it is not all peachy keen.

And even if they assimilated perfectly, it still doesn't change the fact that one group is being excluded and is shrinking while another is growing, which is inherently bad for any group who wants to continue to exist.

[Genivaria]

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Telling a lie a hundred times does not magically make it true.

[San Lumen]

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

No there really isn't. Based on your comments what your saying is you'd limit immigration to white people only. But somehow thats not racist.

[Ultramarr]

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

No there really isn't. Based on your comments what your saying is you'd limit immigration to white people only. But somehow thats not racist.

No I said I will limit it altogether and other Europeans are more compatible than Africa or the middle east. I am pushing for a Japan style immigration policy where foreign people aren't mistreated or anything but its native first and strict and it allows in small numbers of skilled people. Racism is hate or antagonism directed at a race due to their race not opposing mass immigration and its not racist to say some immigration is more preferable.

[Ultramarr]

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Telling a lie a hundred times does not magically make it true.

Ok you might be a liar but I speak the truth. I am opposed to rape gangs unlike you

[Flaxxony]

I realize that entirely. I'm talking to you, aren't I? And I realize you don't give a shit about the freedoms of others, and I'm telling you that's just as bad as your boogieman version of Islam that blinds you to your own biases.

Yeah, because the Christian religion isn't subject to dogma, authoritarianism, or sectarian violence for that matter.

Yeah, because Latinos are such a threat to American nationhood.

AND TO ALL OF THE WHITE WOMEN.

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

The US and Canada were conquered by whites. The native population has been essentially reduced to nothing by this event.

The European conquest of the Americas is one of the clearest exhibits of what happens to populations that don't or can't stem foreign migration.

[San Lumen]

No there really isn't. Based on your comments what your saying is you'd limit immigration to white people only. But somehow thats not racist.

No I said I will limit it altogether and other Europeans are more compatible than Africa or the middle east. I am pushing for a Japan style immigration policy where foreign people aren't mistreated or anything but its native first and strict and it allows in small numbers of skilled people

And what about someone from say Uzbekistan who wants a better opportunity or way of life. Tough luck you were born in the wrong country

[Flaxxony]

No I said I will limit it altogether and other Europeans are more compatible than Africa or the middle east. I am pushing for a Japan style immigration policy where foreign people aren't mistreated or anything but its native first and strict and it allows in small numbers of skilled people

And what about someone from say Uzbekistan who wants a better opportunity or way of life. Tough luck you were born in the wrong country

Yes? Not that controversial

[The Feylands]

Spot on. The point of race and ethnicity is something that is irreconcilable with the western liberal viewpoint.

Race exists when it is convenient to them as a concept. The concept of something like "white privilege" hinges on the existence of whiteness. Because if they ditch the idea of racial, cultural, etc. identities and dump the nationhood model altogether, you would necessarily have to ditch the whole "oppressor-victim" paradigm and start from scratch.

When it is white people whose birthrates plummet and get their countries loaded with foreigners, it is no problem. Because what they can do is just pull the "race is a social construct" card and throw it in the faces of whites who resist the demographic replacement. But when it comes to "Privilege", suddenly they need to flip the script because without it they couldn't group people en masse and demand reparations to non-whites.

Thank you! And yes... well... ironically, they seem to be okay with, if a bit unable to control, ethnic nationalism among blacks (BLM) and other minorities.

Myself, I very rarely speak of race (might because I'm a European). I rather use terms like ethnicity. Maybe that means I'm a cuck ( ), but the way I've thought of it, European Americans are a legitimate nation of their own. One that has done so much for others, but rarely seems to be appreciated for it. I know people from other parts of the world, and I've never spoken to one that has seen is as anything but completely to stand for the interest of their own, or that westerners do the same. I've read interesting articles recently about Chinese people being baffled about the behaviour of western leftists.

I recall how others have said that altruism is a stronger trait among westerners than others. And perhaps that's why mass-immigration to my country (Sweden) and others, has resulted in a rise of gruesome acts of animal cruelty, as well as heinous acts of rape, robbery etc. Obviously, "gangsta" subculture from Hollywood which is spread among immigrants here too, who identify with African Americans more than Europeans no mater if they come from Somalia or somewhere else which seemingly has no relationship to that, plays a role in that as well. I recall that some American told me that the word "Kwanzaa" is similar taken from a language that has no relation to the languages in West Africa that African Americans came from. It seems impossible to deny that heritage plays a role in everyone's identity, but westerners alone are taught to be ashamed of ours.

Anglo Saxons made England and been their for over a 1000 years they are the natives now.

Maybe I didn't mean what I wrote in the completely literal sense. Anyway, I love Wales because of its uniqueness - and my point was, I believe in true diversity - I think all peoples should be able to express their uniqueness, the Welsh nation shouldn't be shouldn't be denied their heritage by the English, the English shouldn't be denied their heritage by other foreigners, etc.

[The Rich Port]

Yeah we should only along white people into Europe and the US and Canada. Its not like Canada and the United States was founded on immigration

The US and Canada were conquered by whites. The native population has been essentially reduced to nothing by this event.

The European conquest of the Americas is one of the clearest exhibits of what happens to populations that don't or can't stem foreign migration.

So what you're saying is we should ban white people from immigrating.

They went after the Native Americans, and now they're coming after us.

But Ultramarr. I am a degenerate pseudo-Muslim who wants to impose pseudo-Shariah law. CLASS IS FOR KAFIRS.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Sounds like someone is an SJW who is overly sensitive and doesn't know what jokes are.

[San Lumen]

The US and Canada were conquered by whites. The native population has been essentially reduced to nothing by this event.

The European conquest of the Americas is one of the clearest exhibits of what happens to populations that don't or can't stem foreign migration.

So what you're saying is we should ban white people from immigrating.

They went after the Native Americans, and now they're coming after us.

Yes sure seem like it from your comments. Also in Europe there is a problem with Islamic rape gangs who target Europeans from Rotherham to Cologne so your joke is pretty distasteful.

Sounds like someone is an SJW who is overly sensitive and doesn't know what jokes are.

I didnt say that at all.