Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Convaria]

Didn't say it was illegal (although I do believe flag burning should be illegal), just worse. Immigrants are not lesser citizens, nor am I american so I'm not familiar with all of their amendments.

Where you from?

The Great White North.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

So would assassinating the leader be better than burning a flag?

[Kubumba Tribe]

Where you from?

The Great White North.

Canada?

[Alvecia]

You believe it should be illegal to burn a scrap of cloth?

There's where we fundamentally disagree, that "scrap of cloth" is way more than that. It represents the nation and its values, as well as all they've offered the world. Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

I think that’d be more compelling if you couldn’t buy them for dirt cheap at a skeazy petrol station. Hard to assign any real symbolism to something not worth wiping your arse with.

I’m with David Mitchell on this one. The only thing that come of burning a flag is wasting the money you spent to buy it.

Does remind me of the time a bunch of fellas tried burning a British Flag and filming it, but the flag was made out of fire resistant material. That was a laugh.

[Al-Ismailiyya]

You believe it should be illegal to burn a scrap of cloth?

There's where we fundamentally disagree, that "scrap of cloth" is way more than that. It represents the nation and its values, as well as all they've offered the world. Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

No, burning it is a form of protest. American citizens have the right to protest. I wouldn't personally burn a flag, but I support the right of others to do so.

[Convaria]

Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

So would assassinating the leader be better than burning a flag?

That's an act of war, completely different

[USS Monitor]

Defense =/= agressiong (unless you're talking about Hamas), but I don't debate about rl life-and-death situations, so we'll have to drop this

There is no such thing as Palestinian defense, only aggression, terrorism, and murder.

I don't know what life-and-death situations you're referring to. I am not only referring to Hamas, but Fatah and the entire Palestinian Authority.

I need you to show proof where I support this.

Are you saying that you do not support murdering the Jewish occupiers and uprooting the evil Zionist regime?

Are you not intolerant of violence and oppression?

I am intolerant of Palestinian aggression, terrorism, and anti-Semitism.

But I'm sure you think those are perfectly fine, along with murdering women and children. Gotta kill all those pesky Jewish occupiers, am I right?

Not the topic of the thread. Thank you for your time.

Ah, the intolerant anti-Zionists/anti-Semites (usually the same thing) always give up during arguments.

*** Warned for trolling and baiting ***

Specifically, the part where you say there's "no such thing as Palestinian defense, only aggression...," is trolling because it implies Palestinians are all aggressive and prone to terrorism. The "I'm sure you think those are perfectly fine..." line, and the 3rd post that I quoted are the baiting part of the warning.

[Free Arctic Territories]

There's where we fundamentally disagree, that "scrap of cloth" is way more than that. It represents the nation and its values, as well as all they've offered the world. Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

Why not? The Supreme Court has already protected flag burning as a form of free speech. Wouldn't banning flag burning as a form of political protest actually go against American values more than allowing it, especially one enshrined in the Constitution as a fundamental right and privilege of all US citizens?

[Al-Ismailiyya]

So would assassinating the leader be better than burning a flag?

That's an act of war, completely different

Uh... What? A citizen assassinating their leader is an act of war?

[Convaria]

There's where we fundamentally disagree, that "scrap of cloth" is way more than that. It represents the nation and its values, as well as all they've offered the world. Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

Why not? The Supreme Court has already protected flag burning as a form of free speech. Wouldn't banning flag burning as a form of political protest actually go against American values more than allowing it, especially one enshrined in the Constitution as a fundamental right and privilege of all US citizens?

Again, not American. I see it as an act of vandalism, much like spray painting monuments and etc.

[Free Arctic Territories]

That's an act of war, completely different

Uh... What? A citizen assassinating their leader is an act of war?

Civil war, maybe. That's off topic though, we're not talking about acts of treason here.

[VoVoDoCo]

There's where we fundamentally disagree, that "scrap of cloth" is way more than that. It represents the nation and its values, as well as all they've offered the world. Burning that is the ultimate act of disrespect to a country, I don't care what country it is.

No, burning it is a form of protest. American citizens have the right to protest. I wouldn't personally burn a flag, but I support the right of others to do so.

The one thing that could get me to burn a flag faster than anything, ironically, is if they outlawed it.

Because fuck that I have my rights.

[Free Arctic Territories]

Again, not American. I see it as an act of vandalism, much like spray painting monuments and etc.

Alright, then extending that argument, much of Western society holds free speech as a basic human right and a fundamental tenet which a democratic society must be built on. And in Canada, the US, and elsewhere, they recognize flag burning as a form of nonverbal expression. It may be disrespecting a country, but it's also a protected right. Burning a flag would be in no ways against the values of any modern democratic society..

[The Lehi]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

[Al-Ismailiyya]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

"Stay in your countries or we're going to genocide you"

Is that about right?

[San Lumen]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

How does it lead to crimes against humanity? And what in the world do you mean by your second statement?

[New Visayan Islands]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

How does it lead to crimes against humanity? And what in the world do you mean by your second statement?

I don't know about you, but the latter reminds me of a certain Imperial Japanese motto...

[Judah]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

How does it lead to crimes against humanity? And what in the world do you mean by your second statement?

Article 7 of the Statute of the International Criminal Tribunal of Rome defines rape and other sexual violence (increasingly prevalent in western and central Europe) as crimes against humanity.

[MERIZoC]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

lol your flag and name is of a far right terrorist group that's avowed goal was bringing people to a place they didnt come from

And it wanted to ally with the Nazis.

Extremely rich of you to talk about crimes against humanity and people "staying where they came from"

[Judah]

all diversity leads to is more crimes against humanity

its better for people to stay where they came from instead of having their babysitter as a country thats about to crack their skull

lol your flag and name is of a far right terrorist group that's avowed goal was bringing people to a place they didnt come from

And it wanted to ally with the Nazis.

Extremely rich of you to talk about crimes against humanity and people "staying where they came from"

So, Lehi's goal of bringing Jews to Israel is the same as, say, the EU's policy of unrestricted, mass immigration to Europe?

[MERIZoC]

lol your flag and name is of a far right terrorist group that's avowed goal was bringing people to a place they didnt come from

And it wanted to ally with the Nazis.

Extremely rich of you to talk about crimes against humanity and people "staying where they came from"

So, Lehi's goal of bringing Jews to Israel is the same as, say, the EU's policy of unrestricted, mass immigration to Europe?

No. Much much worse. One is a colonialist invasion, the other is immigration.

[Judah]

So, Lehi's goal of bringing Jews to Israel is the same as, say, the EU's policy of unrestricted, mass immigration to Europe?

No. Much much worse. One is a colonialist invasion, the other is immigration.

Much, much worse? That's absolutely ridiculous on so many levels.

And the latter is not simply immigration, but rather the destruction of European society, culture, and peace.

[MERIZoC]

No. Much much worse. One is a colonialist invasion, the other is immigration.

Much, much worse? That's absolutely ridiculous on so many levels.

And the latter is not simply immigration, but rather the destruction of European society, culture, and peace.

oh no, we will lose lederhosen

how will the earth cope

[Judah]

Much, much worse? That's absolutely ridiculous on so many levels.

And the latter is not simply immigration, but rather the destruction of European society, culture, and peace.

oh no, we will lose lederhosen

how will the earth cope

[Salus Maior]

Much, much worse? That's absolutely ridiculous on so many levels.

And the latter is not simply immigration, but rather the destruction of European society, culture, and peace.

oh no, we will lose lederhosen

how will the earth cope

Would you say the same thing about kilts, or other cultural attire?

Just because you don't care, does not mean it's not significant to others or to culture in general.