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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:28 pm

Liriena wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Many ways. National Education system is one of the more effective ones. The education system can be used to intergrate other cultures.

You mean the Canadian method of actively trying to erase Aboriginal Canadian cultures? The method that was later described as cultural genocide?

This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:29 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:

This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Second Inca Empire, yo.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:31 pm

Liriena wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Second Inca Empire, yo.

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This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:39 pm

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This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Political anarchy? Why?
There can only be one Lord of America.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:40 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Second Inca Empire, yo.

Great Cahokian Commonwealth?
Cahokia is interesting as hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

One of the few if not only pre-columbian cities in North America.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:40 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Political anarchy? Why?
There can only be one Lord of America.

Well, yeah, but who's gonna unfreeze Walt Disney? Not me, dude.
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Postby Great Lakes Municipalities » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:41 pm

Liriena wrote:
Holy Tedalonia wrote:Many ways. National Education system is one of the more effective ones. The education system can be used to intergrate other cultures.

You mean the Canadian method of actively trying to erase Aboriginal Canadian cultures? The method that was later described as cultural genocide?

Of course that's what he means, he used the word kill after all.

If you ask me, a diverse society is much stronger and more robust than a homogeneous one provided resources aren't deprived from one group or another. Just like a diverse ecosystem is stronger and more fecund than a monoculture, the analogy holds for human society as well.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:42 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Liriena wrote:Second Inca Empire, yo.

Great Cahokian Commonwealth?
Cahokia is interesting as hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

One of the few if not only pre-columbian cities in North America.

Hot damn.
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:45 pm

Liriena wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Great Cahokian Commonwealth?
Cahokia is interesting as hell.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia

One of the few if not only pre-columbian cities in North America.

Hot damn.

Indeed.
Between AD 1050 and 1100, Cahokia's population increased from between 1400 and 2800 people to between 10,200 and 15,300 people

Always wondered why there wasn't a civilization that sprung up on the Mississippi, turns out there was.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:52 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:

This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Ya no. As someone who is part Native American, Creek and Seminole to be exact, this is a majorly bad idea.
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:53 pm

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Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

Ya no. As someone who is part Native American, Creek and Seminole to be exact, this is a majorly bad idea.

I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya no. As someone who is part Native American, Creek and Seminole to be exact, this is a majorly bad idea.

I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?

I'd accept it if we can re-establish the Roman Empire as the center of the West.
Only they and America are truly capable of handling that position.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:55 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya no. As someone who is part Native American, Creek and Seminole to be exact, this is a majorly bad idea.

I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?

It’s a horrible and terrible dream
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:56 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?

I'd accept it if we can re-establish the Roman Empire as the center of the West.
Only they and America are truly capable of handling that position.

You say Rome, but I say Carthage.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:58 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'd accept it if we can re-establish the Roman Empire as the center of the West.
Only they and America are truly capable of handling that position.

You say Rome, but I say Carthage.

Nothing beats the Greek empire of Alexander
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon Jan 08, 2018 12:59 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:I'd accept it if we can re-establish the Roman Empire as the center of the West.
Only they and America are truly capable of handling that position.

You say Rome, but I say Carthage.

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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:10 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Ya no. As someone who is part Native American, Creek and Seminole to be exact, this is a majorly bad idea.

I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?

They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem. Also they have their reservations but western countries are given crap when they want their own countries. Also by your logic the middle east can be returned to the Greeks for Alexander and Persia should be returned to the Zoroastrians and the Muslims can leave Afghanistan to make it Buddhist again
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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:14 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:

This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

So you want to kill off and deport the Europeans that made all the new world nations. The natives especially in North America lived in huts and waged war on each other and many of them were too primitive to have the concept of a nation. If the Aboriginals want to join modern civilisation good for them if not they can attend their own schools with what they want to learn. Also aren't aboriginals in Australia not Canada
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Postby Baltenstein » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:16 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Liriena wrote:You say Rome, but I say Carthage.

Nothing beats the Greek empire of Alexander


I think what Liriena means is the notion that America is a great maritime Empire in the vein of Athens/Carthage/Britain as opposed to a great continental empire in the vein of Sparta/Rome/France.
Or maybe he doesn't and I got it completely wrong.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:34 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

1.So you want to kill off and deport the Europeans that made all the new world nations. The natives especially in North America lived in huts and waged war on each other and many of them were too primitive to have the concept of a nation. If the Aboriginals want to join modern civilisation good for them if not they can attend their own schools with what they want to learn. 2.Also aren't aboriginals in Australia not Canada


1. Impossible sense they died hundreds of years ago.

2. Hi Canadian here, yes they are called 'Aborignals'

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:35 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?

They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem.

Just like it's just the Western countries' problem that they're 'losing' to foreigners?
Ultramarr wrote:Also they have their reservations

You say that like the reservations are metropolises
Ultramarr wrote:but western countries are given crap when they want their own countries.

Like you said:
Ultramarr wrote:They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem.

Ultramarr wrote:Also by your logic the middle east can be returned to the Greeks for Alexander and Persia should be returned to the Zoroastrians and the Muslims can leave Afghanistan to make it Buddhist again

False equivalency. Many of the descendents of those groups converted to Al-Islam, so they are already in their native lands no matter what religion they belong to. Also, Alexander wasn't the 1st person to own the Middle East, nor were the Zoroastrians the 1st to own Persian, nor were Buddhists the 1st to own Afghanistan
Ultramarr wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:This is just plain disgusting. It's one of the reasons I think the 'New World' should be returned to this. I know it's pretty much impossible, but someone can dream, right?

So you want to kill off and deport the Europeans that made all the new world nations.

I'll need some proof of where I said this
Ultramarr wrote:The natives waged war on each other

So did every other group of people on the planet
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Postby Ultramarr » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:38 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Ultramarr wrote:They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem.

Just like it's just the Western countries' problem that they're 'losing' to foreigners?
Ultramarr wrote:Also they have their reservations

You say that like the reservations are metropolises
Ultramarr wrote:but western countries are given crap when they want their own countries.

Like you said:
Ultramarr wrote:They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem.

Ultramarr wrote:Also by your logic the middle east can be returned to the Greeks for Alexander and Persia should be returned to the Zoroastrians and the Muslims can leave Afghanistan to make it Buddhist again

False equivalency. Many of the descendents of those groups converted to Al-Islam, so they are already in their native lands no matter what religion they belong to. Also, Alexander wasn't the 1st person to own the Middle East, nor were the Zoroastrians the 1st to own Persian, nor were Buddhists the 1st to own Afghanistan
Ultramarr wrote:So you want to kill off and deport the Europeans that made all the new world nations.

I'll need some proof of where I said this
Ultramarr wrote:The natives waged war on each other

So did every other group of people on the planet

Its not a false equivalence because we haven't lost yet and the 3rd world migrants haven't taken over the country yet. Also I said its their problem and fault for losing so we must fight back to not end up like them. Also the western world is still a stronger civilisation than the 3rd world
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Postby Post War America » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:41 pm

Ultramarr wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:I know, but like I said, someone can dream, right?
They lost and were the weaker civilisation its their problem. Also they have their reservations but western countries are given crap when they want their own countries.


These two quotes here... they make contradictory points. On the one hand you believe "to the victor goes the spoils" more or less, and on the other you expect people to protect natives of a continent that are "losing" to foreign "invaders". Either you lack ideological consistency, or have disturbingly racialist views, or both.

Ultramarr wrote:Also by your logic the middle east can be returned to the Greeks for Alexander and Persia should be returned to the Zoroastrians and the Muslims can leave Afghanistan to make it Buddhist again.


This may or may not be the point the other individual is making, but I would make this. The issue here it is somewhat ridiculous to demand ethnic purity and that the original natives have exclusive rights to any particular piece of dirt... within reason.
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Postby Liriena » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:42 pm

Post War America wrote:Either you lack ideological consistency, or have disturbingly racialist views, or both.

Yes. Also, they believe in pizzagate. :lol2:
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Postby Post War America » Mon Jan 08, 2018 1:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Post War America wrote:Either you lack ideological consistency, or have disturbingly racialist views, or both.

Yes. Also, they believe in pizzagate. :lol2:


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