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Postby Post War America » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:57 am

Tekeristan wrote:As a ruralite, going to D.C was saddening. Homelessness and a close encounter with a druggie begger. :/


What color were they, because according to some on this thread there may well be a hard coded biological reason for their being "druggie beggars".
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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 7:59 am

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Tekeristan wrote:As a ruralite, going to D.C was saddening. Homelessness and a close encounter with a druggie begger. :/


What color were they, because according to some on this thread there may well be a hard coded biological reason for their being "druggie beggars".

Aren't black people culturally American regardless?..

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Postby Asherahan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:03 am

Tekeristan wrote:As a ruralite, going to D.C was saddening. Homelessness and a close encounter with a druggie begger. :/

Hahahaha mate I have seen people doing heroin in the middle of the street in center of Athens.

Also one of them had gangrene I think so they may have in fact been doing krokodil. Truly a pitiful state of affairs. See what your economic prosperity does Brussels?
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Postby Post War America » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:03 am

Tekeristan wrote:
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What color were they, because according to some on this thread there may well be a hard coded biological reason for their being "druggie beggars".

Aren't black people culturally American regardless?..


According to some, culture is irrelevant, its biology. It's a more convenient narrative to blame the sorry state of cities on the color of its denizens than to tackle serious issues.
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Postby Tekeristan » Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:04 am

Post War America wrote:
Tekeristan wrote:Aren't black people culturally American regardless?..


According to some, culture is irrelevant, its biology. It's a more convenient narrative to blame the sorry state of cities on the color of its denizens than to tackle serious issues.

Ah, that much I know. I like how such people use the guise of cultural, but it really ain't about it.

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Postby San Lumen » Mon Nov 20, 2017 3:56 pm

Tekeristan wrote:As a ruralite, going to D.C was saddening. Homelessness and a close encounter with a druggie begger. :/

D.C is beginning to get better.

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Postby The Hiberno-Scottish Republic » Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:01 pm

Vague liberal notions of multiculturalism are bad. Multiple cultures coexisting within a single society isn't a society doomed to fail, there are too many variables to that hypothesis.

With regards to the mass immigration issue if that's what OP wants to talk about, I, personally, I don't have a problem with mass immigration to the West. they're inevitably going to keep chunks of their culture, but odds are good they'll assimilate to some degree or another to the host culture, like Italians or the Irish in America. And at that point, Germany, France, Sweden, etc. aren't really even going to be multicultural societies as the vast majority will identify as German, French or Swedish, albeit some having aspects of Arab, Turkish or African culture.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:13 am

The Hiberno-Scottish Republic wrote:Vague liberal notions of multiculturalism are bad. Multiple cultures coexisting within a single society isn't a society doomed to fail, there are too many variables to that hypothesis.

With regards to the mass immigration issue if that's what OP wants to talk about, I, personally, I don't have a problem with mass immigration to the West. they're inevitably going to keep chunks of their culture, but odds are good they'll assimilate to some degree or another to the host culture, like Italians or the Irish in America. And at that point, Germany, France, Sweden, etc. aren't really even going to be multicultural societies as the vast majority will identify as German, French or Swedish, albeit some having aspects of Arab, Turkish or African culture.

What do you mean by vague liberal notions?

I do agree with you on the latter. If your asked the average Black or Asian or Middle Eastern German, French, Swedish, British or Us Citizen I'm pretty sure they would identify with their country of residence.

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Postby Tyrannistate » Tue Nov 21, 2017 1:47 pm

Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Nov 21, 2017 3:38 pm

Tyrannistate wrote:Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.

How is it forced? There is no credible evidence that more refugees means more rape.

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A paragraph is meant to express a single idea, not fractions of an idea. If i were to break it up into paragraphs carelessly it would mess with the flow, although I could probably put the examples in their own little paragraph.

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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 8:20 am

Tyrannistate wrote:Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.

[citations needed] for all of your post.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:45 am

To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.
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Postby Luminesa » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:49 am

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Tyrannistate wrote:Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.

[citations needed] for all of your post.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/inde ... -flag.html

I have never heard of this website in my life, but it only seems a single school has done it. Given the way Sweden thinks though, and given they have also legalized the ISIS flag, things could definitely go downhill soon.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independ ... html%3famp

Proofs for the “ISIS flag” bit while we’re at it.
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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:49 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.

So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

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Postby Iyanden » Wed Nov 22, 2017 9:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
Tyrannistate wrote:Forced multiculturalism and diversity is a bad thing because the native population might become a minority and lose its identity.Just look at Sweden,it took down ITS OWN FLAG just because it might be offensive to other cultures,and the rape rate has increased a lot because of the refugees.I do support immigration but only legal,if refugees want to move to a new country they should become a citizen.

How is it forced? There is no credible evidence that more refugees means more rape.

Ask Cologne and look at Sweden and Rotherham and more its clear they bring a real rape culture not the fake one feminists make up. They even have a game called the rape game

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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:38 am

Luminesa wrote:
Liriena wrote:[citations needed] for all of your post.

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/inde ... -flag.html

I have never heard of this website in my life, but it only seems a single school has done it. Given the way Sweden thinks though, and given they have also legalized the ISIS flag, things could definitely go downhill soon.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.independ ... html%3famp

Proofs for the “ISIS flag” bit while we’re at it.

So... you have one school and a prosecutor's decision that Boris Johnson would agree with. That and your slippery slope scaremongering.

Meh. Just... meh.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:39 am

Iyanden wrote:
San Lumen wrote:How is it forced? There is no credible evidence that more refugees means more rape.

Ask Cologne and look at Sweden and Rotherham and more its clear they bring a real rape culture not the fake one feminists make up. They even have a game called the rape game

[citation needed]

You really gotta work on your presentation if you want us to take your clichéd racist propaganda seriously.
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:42 am

Iyanden wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.

So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Immigrants don't pose an existential threat to the British nation or British culture, though. They are a very small minority still, and not a particularly powerful one.

Also, the "native culture" is going to change even if you completely close the borders to all immigration. Culture is never static. It's dynamic. So wanting to "preserve" a native culture is a bit like wanting to prevent our star from becoming a red giant: it's an unrealistic fantasy, at least with our current understanding and resources.
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Also, it has been said before that Sweden has changed its definition of "rape".
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Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.

Most of those people you mentions are Europeans and Asiatics rather than the ones people actually have problems with and want to stop from coming, tho.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:26 am

Iyanden wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:To anyone who claims "immigrants come to eat up welfare", immigrants in the UK on average pay £2,700 more in taxes than they take in benefits.

Also, two-thirds of immigrants come for work.

So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Ok, and there's also a lot of unemployed Brits that were born in Britain also, what are you gonna do about them?
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Postby Liriena » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 am

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Iyanden wrote:So that's a 3rd too many to start with and its not just money its about preserving the country and its native culture.

Ok, and there's also a lot of unemployed Brits that were born in Britain also, what are you gonna do about them?

Send them back to... uh... Saxony?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:38 am

Liriena wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Ok, and there's also a lot of unemployed Brits that were born in Britain also, what are you gonna do about them?

Send them back to... uh... Saxony?

Is that the ancestry of modern white British people?
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Postby Aellex » Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:40 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Liriena wrote:Send them back to... uh... Saxony?

Is that the ancestry of modern white British people?

No, that would be France. England was, after all, our first colony. :^)
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