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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:22 am

Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.
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Postby Quency » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:58 am

Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.
Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:26 am

Quency wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.
Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.


Generally I wouldn’t care what these pseudo-Islamic hipsters say just as long as they don’t force that way of thinking on others like I’ve recently witnessed.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:34 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Quency wrote:Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.


Generally I wouldn’t care what these pseudo-Islamic hipsters say just as long as they don’t force that way of thinking on others like I’ve recently witnessed.

Pseudo-Islamic? Are you referring to Ahmadis?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:43 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
Generally I wouldn’t care what these pseudo-Islamic hipsters say just as long as they don’t force that way of thinking on others like I’ve recently witnessed.

Pseudo-Islamic? Are you referring to Ahmadis?


I’m referring to anyone who thinks of themselves as Muslims while only choosing which laws to follow and which to just ignore....and people who just call themselves and identify as Muslims just to be edgy.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:45 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Pseudo-Islamic? Are you referring to Ahmadis?


I’m referring to anyone who thinks of themselves as Muslims while only choosing which laws to follow and which to just ignore....and people who just call themselves and identify as Muslims just to be edgy.

Oh yeah, there's some Muslims like that unfortunately, there's whole 'sects' dedicated to watering down Al-Islam...
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Chernoslavia » Fri Nov 17, 2017 6:52 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I’m referring to anyone who thinks of themselves as Muslims while only choosing which laws to follow and which to just ignore....and people who just call themselves and identify as Muslims just to be edgy.

Oh yeah, there's some Muslims like that unfortunately, there's whole 'sects' dedicated to watering down Al-Islam...
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Nah I’m agnostic actually.
What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby San Lumen » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:38 am

Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.

I agree with you. exchanging ideas and gaining something has made places like London, Buenos Aires, Frankfurt, Jersey City and Toronto what they are. True melting pots.

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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:57 pm

Quency wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.
Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.

I don't care for the opinion of others. What matters is I have found my peace.

Plus, I do not view Islam as just a middle eastern religion. Its a religion for the entire world.

Or if someone does use the logic that Islam is a middle eastern religion, then so is Christianity.

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Quency wrote:Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.


Generally I wouldn’t care what these pseudo-Islamic hipsters say just as long as they don’t force that way of thinking on others like I’ve recently witnessed.

So I'm a hipster for just posting what I posted? Even though I don't tree hug?
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:57 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.

I agree with you. exchanging ideas and gaining something has made places like London, Buenos Aires, Frankfurt, Jersey City and Toronto what they are. True melting pots.

Exactly
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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:07 pm

Chernoslavia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Pseudo-Islamic? Are you referring to Ahmadis?


I’m referring to anyone who thinks of themselves as Muslims while only choosing which laws to follow and which to just ignore....and people who just call themselves and identify as Muslims just to be edgy.

My goodness. That's not what I do at all, if you are referring to me.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:10 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Quency wrote:Lord, this post sure isn't going to anger a lot of people.

I don't care for the opinion of others. What matters is I have found my peace.

Plus, I do not view Islam as just a middle eastern religion. Its a religion for the entire world.

Or if someone does use the logic that Islam is a middle eastern religion, then so is Christianity.

if someone does use the logic that Islam is a middle eastern religion

Correct.
then so is Christianity

Also correct.

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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:11 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Chernoslavia wrote:
I’m referring to anyone who thinks of themselves as Muslims while only choosing which laws to follow and which to just ignore....and people who just call themselves and identify as Muslims just to be edgy.

My goodness. That's not what I do at all, if you are referring to me.

That is what EVERYONE does, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike.

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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:20 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:My goodness. That's not what I do at all, if you are referring to me.

That is what EVERYONE does, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike.

Laws of the countries they live in?
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:23 pm

Jolthig wrote:
Genivaria wrote:That is what EVERYONE does, Muslims and Non-Muslims alike.

Laws of the countries they live in?

I thought you were speaking of religious laws.

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Postby Jolthig » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Laws of the countries they live in?

I thought you were speaking of religious laws.

Yeah, the guy didn't specify what kind of laws to follow. If he meant religious laws and he accuses me of not following them on purpose, then he is wrong.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:17 pm

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Generally when someone references Ayathollah in Iranian politics they are referring to the supreme religious leader.

Then be more specific :P I'm just messing with you. Either way, the Supreme Leader is elected by the Assembly of Experts who are in turn elected by the people in a direct election. Once the Old Revolutionary Guard starts to die out, the government will probably become more and more progressive gradually. I don't see another revolution in the near future.

technically, the Assembly of Experts (who also have the right to fire the leader as it were) are not quite democratically elected, as some of them are elected by the leader himself XD
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:33 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Then be more specific :P I'm just messing with you. Either way, the Supreme Leader is elected by the Assembly of Experts who are in turn elected by the people in a direct election. Once the Old Revolutionary Guard starts to die out, the government will probably become more and more progressive gradually. I don't see another revolution in the near future.

technically, the Assembly of Experts (who also have the right to fire the leader as it were) are not quite democratically elected, as some of them are elected by the leader himself XD

The Supreme Leader doesn't elect them. He appoints members of the Guardian Council who are in charge of approving candidates and then the people elect an expert from among these candidates to an 8 year term.
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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:35 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Jolthig wrote:Multiculturalism is a good thing. People from various backgrounds can exchange ideas with one another and gain something from one another.

Throughout the years, my city has been growing more and more diverse. And without this diversity and multiculturalism, I would have never became an Ahmadi Muslim.

I agree with you. exchanging ideas and gaining something has made places like London, Buenos Aires, Frankfurt, Jersey City and Toronto what they are. True melting pots.

Jersey City. Sometimes I think you are a pro troll.
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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:36 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:technically, the Assembly of Experts (who also have the right to fire the leader as it were) are not quite democratically elected, as some of them are elected by the leader himself XD

The Supreme Leader doesn't elect them. He appoints members of the Guardian Council who are in charge of approving candidates and then the people elect an expert from among these candidates to an 8 year term.

Iran is interesting as a weirdy awkward attempt to reconcile democracy with an eternal revealed law. It's actually a lot like the United States conceptually. At least the US has the excuse that no one had yet tried it though.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:30 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:The Supreme Leader doesn't elect them. He appoints members of the Guardian Council who are in charge of approving candidates and then the people elect an expert from among these candidates to an 8 year term.

Iran is interesting as a weirdy awkward attempt to reconcile democracy with an eternal revealed law. It's actually a lot like the United States conceptually. At least the US has the excuse that no one had yet tried it though.

Democracy is somewhat compatible with Al-Islam in that the citizens of an Islamic state can vote, which is called 'giving bay'ah (allegiance)'.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:42 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:Iran is interesting as a weirdy awkward attempt to reconcile democracy with an eternal revealed law. It's actually a lot like the United States conceptually. At least the US has the excuse that no one had yet tried it though.

Democracy is somewhat compatible with Al-Islam in that the citizens of an Islamic state can vote, which is called 'giving bay'ah (allegiance)'.

Americanising rubbish.

But that's my point: Iran is an awkward attempt to reconcile Islamic and American values.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:46 pm

HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Democracy is somewhat compatible with Al-Islam in that the citizens of an Islamic state can vote, which is called 'giving bay'ah (allegiance)'.

Americanising rubbish.

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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby HMS Queen Elizabeth » Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:56 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
HMS Queen Elizabeth wrote:Americanising rubbish.

:?:

Bay'ah like other feudal pledges of allegiance isn't voluntary. You've twisted the jurisprudence to produce Americanist conclusions.
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