Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Or maybe non-Abrahamic deities are simply people trying to understand Allah but not being able to reach a proper conclusion? People stray and become confused.

Regardless, whether or not Allah exists is not the topic.

True. Apologies.

[The Land of Home]

Edits have been made, I cut out most of the unimportant nonsense and made it relatively clear and concise. Proper writing takes time and effort and I rarely have either at my disposal.

It's still a block of text. How about you try making a new paragraph every three sentences or so?

A paragraph is meant to express a single idea, not fractions of an idea. If i were to break it up into paragraphs carelessly it would mess with the flow, although I could probably put the examples in their own little paragraph and separate out the TLDR

[Thermodolia]

It's still a block of text. How about you try making a new paragraph every three sentences or so?

A paragraph is meant to express a single idea, not fractions of an idea. If i were to break it up into paragraphs carelessly it would mess with the flow, although I could probably put the examples in their own little paragraph.

Forget about the flow of things. Make it fucking readable.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

It's still a block of text. How about you try making a new paragraph every three sentences or so?

A paragraph is meant to express a single idea, not fractions of an idea. If i were to break it up into paragraphs carelessly it would mess with the flow, although I could probably put the examples in their own little paragraph.

You could also try a bulleted list.

[War Gears]

How does irrationality equate into something being wrong?

By "wrong" you mean factually inaccurate, right?

OK. If you believe that the Ark actually existed because of the Bible and the Bible is an at least somewhat unreliable source of history then shall we doubt your claim that the Ark existed?

I'm asking how something being irrational makes it wrong. "Rational" is a mental quality. If you're judging existence on the basis of something being rational, aren't you basically arguing against materialism?

[Katzenstaat]

By "wrong" you mean factually inaccurate, right?

OK. If you believe that the Ark actually existed because of the Bible and the Bible is an at least somewhat unreliable source of history then shall we doubt your claim that the Ark existed?

I'm asking how something being irrational makes it wrong. "Rational" is a mental quality. If you're judging existence on the basis of something being rational, aren't you basically arguing against materialism?

No. My mistake.

Something irrational is relatively unlikely to be factually accurate. However that is not impossible.

[Oil exporting People]

The United States was founded by white mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestants who were more often than not wealthy landowners who owned slaves. It was not founded on diversity in the slightest.

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

[Bakery Hill]

The United States was founded by white mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestants who were more often than not wealthy landowners who owned slaves. It was not founded on diversity in the slightest.

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

That's because liberalism and leftism are conflated in the United States in a way that they're not even in the UK. The litmus test is Hamilton. If you liked Hamilton and agreed with its message and themes, you're probably a liberal. If you thought it was a cringeworthy whitewashing (pardon the pun) of early American history, you're probably an evil alt-left brocialist.

[San Lumen]

The United States was founded by white mostly Anglo-Saxon Protestants who were more often than not wealthy landowners who owned slaves. It was not founded on diversity in the slightest.

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

[Bakery Hill]

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

See, this is a liberal.

[Oil exporting People]

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

Perfectly reasonable position to take, but it still invalidates the same positions entirely; thus, there is no need for Social Justice movements.

[San Lumen]

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

Perfectly reasonable position to take, but it still invalidates the same positions entirely; thus, there is no need for Social Justice movements.

Im sorry but I don't follow you

[Oil exporting People]

Im sorry but I don't follow you

My point is that either narrative you take on such matters, the underlying arguments of the American Left on issues of Diversity/Race simply lack any logical basis.

[Katzenstaat]

Im sorry but I don't follow you

My point is that either narrative you take on such matters, the underlying arguments of the American Left on issues of Diversity/Race simply lack any logical basis.

Why is this argument still going on?

Groups that prosper (e.g. Ashkenazi Jews) prosper with or without diversity (i.e. Let Ashkenazis live in Israel then they do science and other interesting stuff. Let them live in America or Canada and they still do science and other interesting stuff) as long as governments do not artificially oppress them too much.

[Iyanden]

So a degenerate anarchist self hating racist is a valid source

How is everyone against white supremacy a racist?

See everyone against you is a white supremacist to you. White supremacy is mostly dead and has no power anymore and is a bogey man used by the left

[Iyanden]

So a degenerate anarchist self hating racist is a valid source

M'dude, you brought in Paul Joseph Watson as a source. I am past caring how you feel about mine.

Or, to put it in your terms:

Call him a degenerate anarchist self hating racist because he has a different view that isn't Nazi/white supremacist because you cant debunk him

Paul Joseph Watson isn't a Nazi/white supremacist both dead ideologies used as bogey men by the left to hide their sick ideologies such as communism, Marxism and anarchism's evil. I don't need to debunk a subhuman communist they not even people. You only need to look at all the communist regimes in history to see evidence on why it is bad

[Albrenia]

Uh... you might want to rethink calling a group of people 'subhuman', bud.

[Bakery Hill]

M'dude, you brought in Paul Joseph Watson as a source. I am past caring how you feel about mine.

Or, to put it in your terms:

Call him a degenerate anarchist self hating racist because he has a different view that isn't Nazi/white supremacist because you cant debunk him

Paul Joseph Watson isn't a Nazi/white supremacist both dead ideologies used as bogey men by the left to hide their sick ideologies such as communism, Marxism and anarchism's evil. I don't need to debunk a subhuman communist they not even people. You only need to look at all the communist regimes in history to see evidence on why it is bad

I doubt you could debunk whatever you think communism is. Also you'll probably get mod action talking that comrade.

[Bakery Hill]

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

The majority of the founding fathers were slaveowners and/or slavetraders. Manifest Destiny, which would later basically become official state doctrine, was based on the mass seizure of land from Native Americans.

[Iyanden]

Uh... you might want to rethink calling a group of people 'subhuman', bud.

A very bad ideological group.

[Vorpa]

i would say that all people should be defended against violent reactionaries

[Kubumba Tribe]

As I've said before, the Left has a terrible narrative problem on these issues; Either the United States is a nation fundamentally founded upon the proposition of White supremacy-in which case the whole debate on Diversity, immigration, etc is pointless because its already been decided-, or its not, and thus the underpinning of those same arguments is thus invalid.

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

>FACEDESK^20<

How is everyone against white supremacy a racist?

See everyone against you is a white supremacist to you.

#GotProof?

White supremacy is mostly dead and has no power anymore and is a bogey man used by the left

https://www.brookings.edu/research/time ... d-housing/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821669/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yiYCHMAlM
https://www.nap.edu/read/9719/chapter/2#2
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/uneq ... education/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/ ... nequality/
And this is just racial discrimination. I haven't even gotten to sex and religious discrimination.

[Thermodolia]

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

See, this is a liberal.

I'm not a liberal and I also believe that the US wasn't founded on white supremacy. We might have had white supremacist elements, mainly in the south, but it wasn't the overall reaching theme

[Katzenstaat]

The United States was not founded on white supremacy in the slightest.

>FACEDESK^20<

See everyone against you is a white supremacist to you.

#GotProof?

White supremacy is mostly dead and has no power anymore and is a bogey man used by the left

https://www.brookings.edu/research/time ... d-housing/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821669/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yiYCHMAlM
https://www.nap.edu/read/9719/chapter/2#2
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/uneq ... education/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/ ... nequality/
And this is just racial discrimination. I haven't even gotten to sex and religious discrimination.

Stop asking for justice, dude. Racial discrimination will perpetually exist unless we only have one race left. The problem is how to survive and thrive despite it, not how to stop it.

[Thermodolia]

>FACEDESK^20<

#GotProof?

https://www.brookings.edu/research/time ... d-housing/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821669/
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=o8yiYCHMAlM
https://www.nap.edu/read/9719/chapter/2#2
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/uneq ... education/
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2016/06/ ... nequality/
And this is just racial discrimination. I haven't even gotten to sex and religious discrimination.

Stop asking for justice, dude. Racial discrimination will perpetually exist unless we only have one race left. The problem is how to survive and thrive despite it, not how to stop it.

Well we can attempt to mitigate the effects of racial discrimination but racial discrimination will always exist